gatomontes99 Posted Sunday at 10:23 PM Report Posted Sunday at 10:23 PM 34 minutes ago, Aristides said: My point is you can't deport citizens. They wouldn't have a deportation order. They could stay if the parents can come up with a living arrangement. Most won't try. 36 minutes ago, Aristides said: I know MAGAT's don't give a shit about laws that get in their way but this might not be so simple. What a ridiculous argument. First, you haven't even established that a law would be broken. Second, we separate kids from criminals all the time: BJS.OJP.GOV: State and federal prisoners reported having an estimated 1,473,700 minor children in 2016. The big difference here is that an illegal alien would have the option to keep their children with them AND would maintain their freedom. Hell, they are getting treated BETTER than a citizen that breaks the law. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
User Posted Sunday at 10:31 PM Report Posted Sunday at 10:31 PM 5 minutes ago, Aristides said: It would be the parent's choice, not yours. You would be trying to force them into it. I'll ask again, what are you going to do with the kids if they don't take them? You forced this so they are your responsibility. Self explanatory. No, they forced themselves into this position by being here illegally and then having children. I will say once again, are you really unaware of what happens to abandoned children as if this would be the first time in recorded history in America of that happening? Once again, what do you think happens today to children when their parents are caught engaged in any other criminal behavior? Quote
Aristides Posted Sunday at 10:32 PM Report Posted Sunday at 10:32 PM 2 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: They wouldn't have a deportation order. They could stay if the parents can come up with a living arrangement. Most won't try. The kids are citizens, the parents don't have to come up with anything. You can't force citizens to leave. Quote What a ridiculous argument. First, you haven't even established that a law would be broken. Second, we separate kids from criminals all the time: BJS.OJP.GOV: State and federal prisoners reported having an estimated 1,473,700 minor children in 2016. The big difference here is that an illegal alien would have the option to keep their children with them AND would maintain their freedom. Hell, they are getting treated BETTER than a citizen that breaks the law. So what, you can't ship prisoner's kids out of the country or put them in prison with their parents. The kids are citizens and have the rights of every other citizen. You would have to look after them or do you just turn the kids of prisoners loose on the street to look after themselves. 1 minute ago, User said: No, they forced themselves into this position by being here illegally and then having children. I will say once again, are you really unaware of what happens to abandoned children as if this would be the first time in recorded history in America of that happening? Once again, what do you think happens today to children when their parents are caught engaged in any other criminal behavior? The kids didn't do anything but be born. What does happen to kids of parents sent to prison in your country. Do you just ignore them and let them fend for themselves? Quote
User Posted Sunday at 10:33 PM Report Posted Sunday at 10:33 PM Just now, Aristides said: The kids are citizens, the parents don't have to come up with anything. You can't force citizens to leave. Why do you keep repeating points long addressed? No one is forcing citizens to leave unless they are children and it is their parents doing it. 1 minute ago, Aristides said: The kids didn't do anything but be born. The sky is blue, water is wet, and cows have hoofs. 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: What does happen to kids of parents sent to prison in your country. Do you just ignore them and let them fend for themselves? Why do you ask stupid questions? Children abandoned by their parents or left without parents because they are in prison become wards of the state. We have systems in place to put them with other family members, foster homes, adoption... Quote
herbie Posted Sunday at 10:42 PM Report Posted Sunday at 10:42 PM 6 hours ago, Deluge said: Yes, which is why we must take every opportunity available to keep those families together. He says trying to make deporting whole families a 'good thing'.... MAGAspeak at it's finest. Quote
User Posted Sunday at 10:45 PM Report Posted Sunday at 10:45 PM 2 minutes ago, herbie said: He says trying to make deporting whole families a 'good thing'.... MAGAspeak at it's finest. So... you want to separate kids from their parents? Quote
CdnFox Posted Sunday at 10:49 PM Report Posted Sunday at 10:49 PM 1 hour ago, Aristides said: My point is you can't deport citizens. The kids don't have to go and if they don't what are you going to do, put citizens in camps for doing nothing more than being citizens?. No you're going to put children in the custody of their parents because they're children. What you're saying is patently bonkers - if some 7 year old kid living nabraska says he's decided he wants to go live in alabama all by himself the state would say "Oh HELL no" and return him to his parents. That's got nothing to do with citizenship, if you are underage you must be under the care of your parents. Yeash, who's teaching you this nonsense? 18 minutes ago, Aristides said: The kids are citizens, the parents don't have to come up with anything. You can't force citizens to leave. You can force children to remain under the care of their parents. Period. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Aristides Posted Sunday at 10:56 PM Report Posted Sunday at 10:56 PM 18 minutes ago, User said: Why do you keep repeating points long addressed? No one is forcing citizens to leave unless they are children and it is their parents doing it. The sky is blue, water is wet, and cows have hoofs. Why do you ask stupid questions? Children abandoned by their parents or left without parents because they are in prison become wards of the state. We have systems in place to put them with other family members, foster homes, adoption... You keep repeating the same crap. People don't choose to go to jail yet you separate them from their kids. Don't blame the kids or make them suffer for what you do to their parents. The kids are citizens and have committed no crimes. Boot the parents if you want but you have to accept responsibility for the innocent citizens who are victims of your actions. Quote
Fluffypants Posted Sunday at 11:12 PM Report Posted Sunday at 11:12 PM (edited) 18 minutes ago, Aristides said: You keep repeating the same crap. People don't choose to go to jail yet you separate them from their kids. Don't blame the kids or make them suffer for what you do to their parents. The kids are citizens and have committed no crimes. Boot the parents if you want but you have to accept responsibility for the innocent citizens who are victims of your actions. They would be shitty parents if they dont take their kids with them and leave them in our care. Edited Sunday at 11:14 PM by Fluffypants Quote
User Posted Sunday at 11:21 PM Report Posted Sunday at 11:21 PM 23 minutes ago, Aristides said: You keep repeating the same crap. People don't choose to go to jail yet you separate them from their kids. Don't blame the kids or make them suffer for what you do to their parents. The kids are citizens and have committed no crimes. Boot the parents if you want but you have to accept responsibility for the innocent citizens who are victims of your actions. People choose to commit crimes to risk going to jail. No one is blaming the kids or "making them suffer" here. If the parents want to take their kids, do you oppose this? Those innocent citizens are victims of their parents' actions. Quote
Aristides Posted yesterday at 12:19 AM Report Posted yesterday at 12:19 AM (edited) 1 hour ago, Fluffypants said: They would be shitty parents if they dont take their kids with them and leave them in our care. Why? They would giving up their kids so they could have a chance in a new country that they chose to try and improve their lives. You think you are doing the kids (US citizens) a favour by sending them back to grow up in gang infested poverty? Is that how you want to treat your citizens? 59 minutes ago, User said: People choose to commit crimes to risk going to jail. No one is blaming the kids or "making them suffer" here. If the parents want to take their kids, do you oppose this? Those innocent citizens are victims of their parents' actions. No, they are just kids (US citizens) who are victims of your actions. The kids had nothing to do with it but they are the ones who get screwed. Edited yesterday at 12:22 AM by Aristides Quote
User Posted yesterday at 12:34 AM Report Posted yesterday at 12:34 AM 13 minutes ago, Aristides said: No, they are just kids (US citizens) who are victims of your actions. The kids had nothing to do with it but they are the ones who get screwed. Not my actions, the actions of their parents. Quote
Aristides Posted yesterday at 12:35 AM Report Posted yesterday at 12:35 AM Just now, User said: Not my actions, the actions of their parents. Bullshit, you are the one who wants to send the kids back, you just too cowardly to accept responsibility for what happens to those kids. Quote
User Posted yesterday at 12:37 AM Report Posted yesterday at 12:37 AM Just now, Aristides said: Bullshit, you are the one who wants to send the kids back, you just too cowardly to accept responsibility for what happens to those kids. Who said I wanted to send the kids back? I said it is the parents choice. I already outlined what happens if they stay. Calling me a coward doesn't change the facts, my arguments, or your absurdities here. Quote
Aristides Posted yesterday at 01:14 AM Report Posted yesterday at 01:14 AM 35 minutes ago, User said: Who said I wanted to send the kids back? I said it is the parents choice. I already outlined what happens if they stay. Calling me a coward doesn't change the facts, my arguments, or your absurdities here. Bullshit, you call them lousy parents if they don't take them. You are just trying to transfer your responsibility to them. You really don't give a crap about the kids, who are US citizens. Quote
User Posted yesterday at 01:18 AM Report Posted yesterday at 01:18 AM (edited) 5 minutes ago, Aristides said: Bullshit, you call them lousy parents if they don't take them. You are just trying to transfer your responsibility to them. You really don't give a crap about the kids, who are US citizens. Where did I say lousy parents for not taking them? They are lousy parents for putting their kids in the position to begin with. The responsibility is theirs. They made these choices. You can't refute that, so you just ignore it. I already explained to you all the ways those kids can and would be taken care of: Foster care, Other family members, Adoption. All the things the country provides to abandoned children like that. Edited yesterday at 01:19 AM by User Quote
Aristides Posted yesterday at 01:36 AM Report Posted yesterday at 01:36 AM 14 minutes ago, User said: Where did I say lousy parents for not taking them? They are lousy parents for putting their kids in the position to begin with. The responsibility is theirs. They made these choices. You can't refute that, so you just ignore it. I already explained to you all the ways those kids can and would be taken care of: Foster care, Other family members, Adoption. All the things the country provides to abandoned children like that. What did they do to put the kids in that position other than have them born US citizens? The kids aren't being abandoned, their parents are being deported. FFS try being honest for a change, you want the kids gone as well, even though they are your citizens. Quote
CdnFox Posted yesterday at 01:37 AM Report Posted yesterday at 01:37 AM 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Bullshit, you are the one who wants to send the kids back, you just too cowardly to accept responsibility for what happens to those kids. The parents choices are what dictates that. The parents will raise the kid. Again you're pretending that we don't expect parents to be responsible for their kids normally. The parents will have to live outside the US. The children have to live with the parents. Just now, Aristides said: What did they do to put the kids in that position other than have them born US citizens? So your question is "what did the parents to to cause this other than break the law and cause this? Give me a break. The parents are in the country illegally, they will have to leave. The children are minors and must stay with their parents, wherever that is. Parents aren't allowed to just abandon children anywhere they feel like as it is. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
User Posted yesterday at 01:39 AM Report Posted yesterday at 01:39 AM Just now, Aristides said: What did they do to put the kids in that position other than have them born US citizens? You try hard to play dumb. I mean, you are committed to this act, that is for sure. 1 minute ago, Aristides said: The kids aren't being abandoned, their parents are being deported. If the parents choose to leave them behind... 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: FFS try being honest for a change, you want the kids gone as well, even though they are your citizens. Unlike you, I have been honest here every step of the way. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted yesterday at 01:47 AM Report Posted yesterday at 01:47 AM (edited) Effing kids being born American, who do they think they are? MAGAT's really can be mean spirited Aholes. Edited yesterday at 01:48 AM by Aristides Quote
User Posted yesterday at 01:50 AM Report Posted yesterday at 01:50 AM Just now, Aristides said: MAGAT's really can be mean spirited Aholes. No, mean spirited is what the Democrats did when they refused to stand for a kid with cancer and when they refused to stand to acknowledge the parents of Laken Riley... mean spirited is not giving a crap that those illegal immigrants were let go by sanctuary city policies... 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted yesterday at 02:02 AM Report Posted yesterday at 02:02 AM 12 minutes ago, Aristides said: Effing kids being born American, who do they think they are? the children of their parents? Quote MAGAT's really can be mean spirited Aholes. You're the one suggesting children should be torn from the arms of their parents and forced to grow up in a foster care system instead of with parents who love them. You're the dick here bud. It's actually about one of the worst cases of that i've seen from you. If you can't see why kids should be allowed to live with their parents then there's something fundamentally wrong with you. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Deluge Posted yesterday at 02:13 AM Author Report Posted yesterday at 02:13 AM 3 hours ago, herbie said: He says trying to make deporting whole families a 'good thing'.... MAGAspeak at it's finest. it's always a good thing. We keep the families together and we still uphold the law. Now stop crying and go burn a US flag. As an America hating psychopath, you'll feel a lot better. Quote
CdnFox Posted yesterday at 02:14 AM Report Posted yesterday at 02:14 AM Just now, Deluge said: it's always a good thing. We keep the families together and we still uphold the law. Now stop crying and go burn a US flag. As an America hating psychopath, you'll feel a lot better. This is what I'm utterly feeling to get here. The Lefty's on this board appear to be arguing that it is a terrible thing to keep families together. In what universe did we suddenly decide that splitting families apart was the best thing you could do for children? 2 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Aristides Posted yesterday at 02:42 AM Report Posted yesterday at 02:42 AM 33 minutes ago, CdnFox said: the children of their parents? What does it say? Quote You're the one suggesting children should be torn from the arms of their parents and forced to grow up in a foster care system instead of with parents who love them. You are saying the parents should be forced to make that choice. Quote You're the dick here bud. It's actually about one of the worst cases of that i've seen from you. If you can't see why kids should be allowed to live with their parents then there's something fundamentally wrong with you. You are the one saying that parents should be forced to make the choice between being with their kids and their kids having to give up the rights that come with their citizenship. Go take your kid to be poor in a 3rd world country with few opportunities when they could grow up US citizens. That is the "choice" you righteous wankers want to give them. Quote
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