"Just break into the country and we'll take care of the rest"

[Deluge]

Is what democrats communicate to non-citizens. 

Change my mind.  

[robosmith]

3 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Is what democrats communicate to non-citizens. 

Change my mind.  

You have to HAVE a mind, before it can be changed. No one can change your reflexive outrage and BULLSHIT.

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

You have to HAVE a mind, before it can be changed. No one can change your reflexive outrage and BULLSHIT.

robowoke constantly shills for his globalist overlords. It's the only way he can get through each day without his conscience shutting him down completely. 

Edited May 23 by Deluge

[User]

24 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You have to HAVE a mind, before it can be changed. No one can change your reflexive outrage and BULLSHIT.

Simple question:

Local police arrest an illegal immigrant on a DUI. He gets a 60 day sentence. 

Do you support the local jail alerting ICE that they have an Illegal Immigrant in custody so that they can apprehend him and then deport when released?

 

 

 

[herbie]

You seem to have bought the bullshit that only American citizens have rights in the USA, but all American citizens have those rights in other countries.

Nicely plays into the MAGA theme of 1930's isolationism. Retract your tiny mind like a turtle into your Golden Dome of a shell and dream that it's all copacetic....

[User]

2 minutes ago, herbie said:

You seem to have bought the bullshit that only American citizens have rights in the USA, but all American citizens have those rights in other countries.

Nicely plays into the MAGA theme of 1930's isolationism. Retract your tiny mind like a turtle into your Golden Dome of a shell and dream that it's all copacetic....

Who or what are you even responding to?

Certainly no one or anything in this thread... 

[Deluge]

4 minutes ago, herbie said:

You seem to have bought the bullshit that only American citizens have rights in the USA, but all American citizens have those rights in other countries.

Nicely plays into the MAGA theme of 1930's isolationism. Retract your tiny mind like a turtle into your Golden Dome of a shell and dream that it's all copacetic....

herbie and illegal aliens have no use for borders. 

2 minutes ago, User said:

Who or what are you even responding to?

Certainly no one or anything in this thread... 

herbie just wants someone to accept his anti-American bullshit. 

[Moonlight Graham]

"Sanctuary cities"?  If mayors and police chiefs and others don't abide by federal law they should be arrested for  obstruction of justice etc.  The same goes for the President and his executive branch (including Trump and the Biden)

How do you maintain a well-functioning society?  You follow the law, and enforce it when necessary.

Defund the police?  No, maintain law and order.  That means everyone is accountable to the law, including the police, judges, politicians etc.  The rule of law is the linchpin of a society.

Power-hungry political leaders centralizing their power (Trump, Trudeau), activist judges, crooked politicians/parties, cops who abuse their power....They're ALL a threat to our democracy.

[User]

3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

"Sanctuary cities"?  If mayors and police chiefs and others don't abide by federal law they should be arrested for  obstruction of justice etc.  The same goes for the President and his executive branch (including Trump and the Biden)

The problem is that you can't force them to participate in enforcing federal law. It is not obstruction to just not care to alert ICE or to coordinate with ICE. 

However, Trump administration is getting creative, I seen in California they are starting to scan the jail information to find if anyone inside is an illegal immigrant and they are getting federal warrants for their arrest and then serving those to the jails. Now it is obstruction on their part to refuse to cooperate with a warrant. 

 

[Hodad]

12 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

"Sanctuary cities"?  If mayors and police chiefs and others don't abide by federal law they should be arrested for  obstruction of justice etc.  The same goes for the President and his executive branch (including Trump and the Biden)

How do you maintain a well-functioning society?  You follow the law, and enforce it when necessary.

Defund the police?  No, maintain law and order.  That means everyone is accountable to the law, including the police, judges, politicians etc.  The rule of law is the linchpin of a society.

Power-hungry political leaders centralizing their power (Trump, Trudeau), activist judges, crooked politicians/parties, cops who abuse their power....They're ALL a threat to our democracy.

Sanctuary cities are abiding by the law. And they exist because those policies are the best for the citizens who live there. 

In the US, border and immigration enforcement is a federal responsibility. States and cities have no role there, but they do have other obligations to their citizenry.

Imagine that you're running a city in Southern California, for example. Undocumented people exist. That's a fact you can't change (federal responsibility) like the weather or the water level. You have to decide how to achieve your goals within the context of that reality. 

For example, law enforcement depends on community engagement and trust. You need people to follow the local laws and to assist with enforcement. You need people to share information with investigators. You need people to be witnesses. You need people to be willing to comply with a traffic stop. You need people to take responsibility after a fender bender. And on and on. 

Obviously, establishing every contact with your local LEO as an existential threat to the undocumented residents in your community undermines all of your local goals with regard to community trust and engagement. Are you going to sacrifice your macro objectives--what you owe to your constituents--to mitigate the deficiencies of the federal government? Remembering that your job is to govern your city, is helping the feds deport a handful of people worth driving a subset of your population out of compliance, trust and engagement?

Of course not. That's an easy decision. You do what's right for your city and your people and let the feds worry about their obligations. 

[User]

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

Of course not. That's an easy decision. You do what's right for your city and your people and let the feds worry about their obligations. 

This was all such an incredibly dishonest response. 

First, you dishonestly argue as if this is all just a federal problem as if the state is just a poor victim to bad border enforcement... WHEN YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ALSO SUPPORT THE BAD BORDER ENFORCEMENT AND WANT OPEN BORDERS MADNESS.

Second, you dishonestly ignore illegal aliens who already broke the law by entering or remaining here unlawfully are also continuing to break more laws and when they get caught... these sanctuary cities just let them go. Folks like you both support weaker laws and decriminalization across the board but then you also support letting these criminals back onto the streets. These sanctuary cities don't let ICE know they are letting an illegal immigrant go from the jail and they won't coordinate with them to pick them up either. 

Just look at what happened in Colorado a couple of months ago, the jail tried to let a known illegal immigrant who had already broken the law out of the jail before ICE could get there to deport him and it results in endangering those officers lives as they had to then chase the guy around the parking lot. 

These are the same policies that result in dangerous gang members and other known repeat criminals being let go back onto the streets by folks like you to rape, murder, and cause harm to American citizens. 

Third... you dishonestly ignore that many of these folks already live in the shadows even with these sanctuary city policies. They endanger American citizens as they run restaurants not licensed, not inspected, not up to code, they drive uninsured, they operate in underground cash economies and thwart our systems and then they cost us money in using our services like public schools and health care. 

Look at California which is running billions in the red in their budget because of providing health care to illegal immigrants. 

But... you are just a dishonest coward, hiding from me still, because this is what i do, I call you out for your dishonesty like this and your ignorance. 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

15 hours ago, User said:

The problem is that you can't force them to participate in enforcing federal law. It is not obstruction to just not care to alert ICE or to coordinate with ICE. 

Maybe you're right.  But helping people get away with crimes is illegal.  

[robosmith]

On 5/24/2025 at 5:19 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

"Sanctuary cities"?  If mayors and police chiefs and others don't abide by federal law they should be arrested for  obstruction of justice etc.  The same goes for the President and his executive branch (including Trump and the Biden)

How do you maintain a well-functioning society?  You follow the law, and enforce it when necessary.

Defund the police?  No, maintain law and order.  That means everyone is accountable to the law, including the police, judges, politicians etc.  The rule of law is the linchpin of a society.

Power-hungry political leaders centralizing their power (Trump, Trudeau), activist judges, crooked politicians/parties, cops who abuse their power....They're ALL a threat to our democracy.

Do you know what "defund the police" actually means? Police are ill equipped to handle the mentally ill, so it means to steer some of the money to mental health professionals.

[User]

51 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you know what "defund the police" actually means? Police are ill equipped to handle the mentally ill, so it means to steer some of the money to mental health professionals.

Oh boy... when you have to sit here trying to explain a phrase means something it doesn't, you are losing. 

Also, for many of those pushing that phrase, it means exactly what it means. 

Its only after the fact, that you folks on the left realized what a losing message this was, you started coming up with this lie that "oh no, no, we didn't really mean what we said"

 

[Nationalist]

On 5/24/2025 at 8:19 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

"Sanctuary cities"?  If mayors and police chiefs and others don't abide by federal law they should be arrested for  obstruction of justice etc.  The same goes for the President and his executive branch (including Trump and the Biden)

How do you maintain a well-functioning society?  You follow the law, and enforce it when necessary.

Defund the police?  No, maintain law and order.  That means everyone is accountable to the law, including the police, judges, politicians etc.  The rule of law is the linchpin of a society.

Power-hungry political leaders centralizing their power (Trump, Trudeau), activist judges, crooked politicians/parties, cops who abuse their power....They're ALL a threat to our democracy.

Ok I actually agree with all but the last sentence. 

How can cops be a threat to democracy? The rest of this a can agree with. But the cop thing?

56 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you know what "defund the police" actually means? Police are ill equipped to handle the mentally ill, so it means to steer some of the money to mental health professionals.

Bullshit...

[robosmith]

54 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ok I actually agree with all but the last sentence. 

How can cops be a threat to democracy? The rest of this a can agree with. But the cop thing?

You ever heard of the Gestapo? LMAO

54 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Bullshit...

See ^this is the kind of STUPID Trumpian ARROGANCE that you display here all the time.

You're a CANADIAN trying to tell a LONG TIME US CITIZEN what urban slang HERE means for like the thousandth time.

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The term "defund the police" emerged as a slogan during the 2020 protests following the death of George Floyd. It doesn't necessarily mean abolishing the police entirely, but rather reallocating or redirecting funding away from police departments and towards other social services. This could include investments in areas like housing, mental health, and other social programs that address the root causes of crime. 

Thanks for the laugh. LMAO

 

[User]

26 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You're a CANADIAN trying to tell a LONG TIME US CITIZEN what urban slang HERE means for like the thousandth time.

OK, so what is your excuse when I explained what you were doing?

Oh yeah... you are hiding from me. 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

You ever heard of the Gestapo? LMAO

See ^this is the kind of STUPID Trumpian ARROGANCE that you display here all the time.

You're a CANADIAN trying to tell a LONG TIME US CITIZEN what urban slang HERE means for like the thousandth time.

Thanks for the laugh. LMAO

 

Gestapo? You're beyond help.

The words "defund the police" speak for themselves. Regardless of your limp-ass excuses.

Edited yesterday at 02:13 AM by Nationalist

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Gestapo? You're beyond help.

So you don't understand that Gestapo was Hitler's police force. Figures.

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The words "defund the police" speak for themselves. Regardless of your limp-ass excuses.

MY EVIDENCE trumps your IGNORANT OPINIONS EVERY TIME. LMAO

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

So you don't understand that Gestapo was Hitler's police force. Figures.

MY EVIDENCE trumps your IGNORANT OPINIONS EVERY TIME. LMAO

You're way beyond help.

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

So you don't understand that Gestapo was Hitler's police force. Figures.

MY EVIDENCE trumps your IGNORANT OPINIONS EVERY TIME. LMAO

You're way beyond help.

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You're way beyond help.

You're way beyond help.

I don't need help, doofus. 

Thanks for verifying you're DELUSIONAL.

[Deluge]

On 5/25/2025 at 6:50 AM, Hodad said:

Sanctuary cities are abiding by the law.

Wrong. 

Sanctuary cities are fueling the foreign invasion of this country. We need to stamp out sanctuary cities and arrest the faciliTraitors. 

[Deluge]

14 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I don't need help, doofus. 

Thanks for verifying you're DELUSIONAL.

robowoke is the poster child for "I need help, and lots of it."

[User]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

I don't need help, doofus. 

Thanks for verifying you're DELUSIONAL.

Well, when you hide from your lies and your ignorant comments here... 

[Legato]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

I don't need help, doofus. 

Thanks for verifying you're DELUSIONAL.

He said beyond not beyonce.