PM Carney's chant of stop the war in Gaza is saying let Hamas carry on its attacks on Israel

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

False.

 

True i'm afraid and fairly well documented 

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How old are you, 5?

Why is that the level of intellect you require to be spoken at?

I said two things that were true.  I wasn't rude, i didn't call you names, you're free to provide evidence if you wish to refute them.  Instead  you act like a complete príck and have a little hissy fit.  Which really WOULD suit an intellect that can't go above 5. 

The food issue is not a war crime. You may not like it but denying food to enemy forces is legit. They are the ones holding the people hostage 

So, i asked if that was the only example of a war crime you had and you freaked out. It would seem we've exhausted that argument. 

Pathetic showing btw.  I think even your 5 year old friends would be disappointed in you. 

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36 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I defend Israel as much as anyone

 

13 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

That's simply not true.

You're saying you can have it both ways?

Let me know how that works out.

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1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Why is that the level of intellect you require to be spoken at?

18+ would be nice.

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2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

You're saying you can have it both ways?

Let me know how that works out.

I don't understand your point.

Yes you can defend Israel when it acts justly and criticize them when they don't.  There's a lot of gray area and subjectivity for sure that's up for debate.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

That's simply not true.

In fact is is true. 

And on the very day that the UN was saying they didn't have evidence, this happened

UN says more food needed in Gaza as looting hampers deliveries | Reuters

Now hamas says it isn't their guys, yet their guys always have food and none gets to the refugees and it always happens in areas where hamas is operating. 

Whether hamas is stealing the food directly or getting someone to do it and taking it or buying it from them, that's what's happening 

So you can lie like the uneducated twat you are, or you can start looking around.  Isreal has ONLY halted food when there were concerns about it being taken and given to hamas. 

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

18+ would be nice.

Well i agree, maybe you can work your way up to that level of understanding over the years. Right now you're no where close. 

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1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I don't understand your point.

Yes you can defend Israel when it acts justly and criticize them when they don't.  There's a lot of gray area and subjectivity for sure that's up for debate.

Not for very long in this forum. Even Jewish critics of Israeli policies towards Palestine are called anti-Semites who support terrorists.

It looks to me like you understand my point just fine.

Anyway good luck with it.

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8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

That's simply not true.

Yes, it is true:

 

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In most conflicts one can see reprehensible acts committed by both sides. Gaza is no different. Pointing  them out does not mean one supports either side. 

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44 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

In most conflicts one can see reprehensible acts committed by both sides. Gaza is no different. Pointing  them out does not mean one supports either side. 

It means exactly that to one side. If you're not with them it can only mean one thing.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It means exactly that to one side. If you're not with them it can only mean one thing.

You literally advocate for hamas. You literallly say they were justified and acting with in "the rights of every human being" to 'resistance' when they did what they did.

So you directly and clearly support hamas atrocities and then say "Gosh , i just don't understand why those guys thing i'm taking one side!!!!" LOLOLOL

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

In most conflicts one can see reprehensible acts committed by both sides. Gaza is no different. Pointing  them out does not mean one supports either side. 

But you have to point them out in context. 

War is in and of itself a pretty reprehensible thing. Lots of innocent people die, lots of suffering, lots of destroyed homes, etc 

So if you're going to point things out you have to point them out within the context of war.  If you pretend that something is 'reprensible' just because it's part of a conflict then you're not being honest, 

For example it was reported in one media source that "israelis shot a dozen or so people near one of the food distribution areas".   But it does NOT mention they were attacking to steal food, how many of the dead were combatants and not civilians, or any other details. Sounds like the israelis just decided to up and kill people at random. 

If Hamas is stealing the food and using it to keep it's people fighting instead of feeding the public then israel has every military right to be concerned about that and to stop that.  Claiming that's a "war crime" isn't really accurate in light of the context. 

And you can see what happened.  When i asked about war crimes and the other poster mentioned food and i brought up the concerns raised he simply became angry and went to name calling and being a shíthead.  That is NOT someone holding one side accountable for a 'war crime', that is someone who's decided to take a partisan stance. 

 

[I am Groot]

On 6/2/2025 at 8:46 PM, herbie said:

WTF does Oct 7 or history got to do with Carney criticizing Netanyahu's war policies?

That's like blaming 1812 or the Fenians for Trump's tariffs.

 Carney blaming Netanyahu's war policies is the height of arrogance and ignorance. How would HE run the war? How would HE attack? 

None of the Western leaders criticizing Israel have any suggestions to make about doing things differently other than to back off and let Hamas reconstitute itself so it can attack again.

[I am Groot]

On 6/2/2025 at 9:13 PM, Moonbox said:

Because Israel is guilty of a great many things both before and certainly after October 7th.  🙄

Israel forced all the Jews from Gaza and gave it to the Palestinians, who promptly elected a terrorist group that vowed to destroy Israel, started building up weapons and digging tunnels and firing rockets at Israel.

Shall we go from there to you telling us how Israel behaved badly there?

[I am Groot]

On 6/2/2025 at 10:14 PM, eyeball said:

You are 100% responsible for not taking the most important step towards reconciliation as evidenced by your absolute refusal to acknowledge that it takes two to Tango.

How do you tango with someone who has vowed to murder you?

[I am Groot]

On 6/2/2025 at 10:35 PM, eyeball said:

Israel will need to exterminate everyone within 1000 miles of them and probably much of the planet if they insist on maintaining their current course.

The course they're on is wanting people to stop attacking them.

On 6/2/2025 at 10:35 PM, eyeball said:

I'm not being rhetorical, there will come a time when Israel's allies simply will not be able to afford to provide material support.

Well, I suspect all the terrorist groups around them are going to have difficulty with material support for a while now that Iran's bomb and missile factories are getting pasted.

You think Israel should simply absorb repeated attacks and take no action in response so that the Western Liberals don't hate Jews as much?

 

[I am Groot]

On 6/2/2025 at 10:56 PM, eyeball said:

Modern Western democracies simply know better than to behave like the Ottoman Empire.

Yes. Which is why they are slowly being overrun by third-world people they can't bring themselves to expel who will be taking over within a generation or two.

Do you think that when whites are the minority in Canada or the UK or elsewhere, that there will be the slightest effort by the majority to prevent racism against them or any sort of affirmative action programs to hire whites? Visible minority employers/managers in Canada already make it clear they only hire their own. I don't think that's going to change.

On 6/2/2025 at 10:56 PM, eyeball said:

When the Shiniest Beacon on the planet for freedom and liberty starts knocking off democracies for example,

What democracy has the US knocked off?

[I am Groot]

On 6/3/2025 at 1:42 PM, eyeball said:

...fiction you say? LMAO!

European Jews should have been armed to the teeth and given a good chunk of Europe as a homeland in reparation for what was done to them.

By whom? The Germans? You think we should have taken a big chunk of Germany, expelled the Germans and put Jews there? Like that wouldn't have caused generations of enmity?!

On 6/3/2025 at 1:42 PM, eyeball said:

Making them all go to the ME instead

They WANTED to go to the ME. That's their homeland.

 

[I am Groot]

On 6/3/2025 at 3:46 PM, eyeball said:

It is when you consider there have always been far far more Palestinian victims of the hostilities that started 100 years ago.t you when you do.

They keep throwing themselves against a brick wall, and you and the other Western Liberals all start sobbing in heartfelt sympathy while condemning the wall.

How very intelligent of you.

On 6/3/2025 at 4:36 PM, taxme said:

Over 40,000 Palestinians have been murdered by Israel and we should all feel sorry for two Jews that were murdered. I have no dog in this race 

Other than hating Jews, you mean?

On 6/3/2025 at 4:53 PM, taxme said:

I need more proof as to whether there was a real massacre committed on October 7th in Israel. Personally, i do not believe that there was a real massacre committed at all in Israel. The story as told was probably just another excuse for Israel to be able to bomb the hell out of the Palestinians. I do not believe anything that comes out of Israel. Just my opinion of course.

I hope the rest of you here are proud to be on this guy's side.

[I am Groot]

On 6/3/2025 at 10:56 PM, eyeball said:

Except...Israel is also guilty of committing rape, murder while holding people without charge.

If there are crimes committed by Israelis in prisons, they are investigated and punished where evidence exists. This happens in prisons in Canada and the US, as well.

It does NOT happen, of course, where rape and murder happens in prisons under the control of Hamas or the Palestinian Authority, or in Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, or any other Arab country. Nor when such crimes happen in other Muslim countries like Pakistan and Iran.

 

On 6/3/2025 at 11:29 PM, eyeball said:

I'm not condoning Israel's choice to perpetuate this. It doesn't have to be this way at all. I'm simply saying it will be if they do.

And what is your grand solution? Surrender? Do another 'ceasefire' just like the one that was in effect when the Palestinians attacked? Give the Palestinians their own state so they can import Revolutionary Guards and weapons to attack Israel again? Enlighten us. What is the clear way out you envision?

[I am Groot]

On 6/4/2025 at 1:04 AM, eyeball said:

That's why there should be a strong peacekeeping force between Hamas and the IDF.

All the surrounding Arabs have said they will not take part in such a force. No Western government is going to voluntarily put its volunteer soldiers in the terrorism capital of the world. And who would be trusted by both sides anyway? You want Rent-an-African military forces as peacekeepers? 

On 6/4/2025 at 1:53 PM, eyeball said:

Yup. What's that got to do with Palestinians that Zionisits had been terrorizing and killing for years, along with the British forces who had the responsibility to prevent these attacks against Palestinians?

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Arabs (there were no Palestinians in 1948) were terrorizing and killing Jews for years, both before and after 1948.

[I am Groot]

On 6/4/2025 at 2:01 PM, eyeball said:

Do you have any evidence of journalists on the ground, along with NGO's and CEOs in distant corporate boardrooms working in unison to fabricate these stories for profit?

You're insane. 

There doesn't need to be a conspiracy for left-lib people in the media who despise 'oppressors' to eagerly put out whatever message the 'brown man' in a struggle gives them in order to condemn the 'white oppressor'.

Look at the Michael Brown incident in the US. The mainstream media had a field day condemning the terrible racism of the cop who killed him, and incited riots across the country. They didn't care that there was very little evidence to support that. And of course, when it turned out Brown was at fault the media barely covered it.

So it is in Gaza, where western media faithfully repeat whatever the Hamas people tell them with hardly a quibble or a word of doubt.

And yes, I'm well aware the Israelis are mostly ethnically identical to the Palestinians, but to the brainless Left in the West they're the white westerners and therefore the Palestinians are victims. Even when they're raping and murdering Jewish children, it's the Jews' fault for provoking them.

Edited June 22, 2025 by I am Groot

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On 6/4/2025 at 2:07 PM, Moonbox said:

You can say the exact same thing about Israel, particularly about Netanyahu and his Likud Party, who've done basically everything

Likud wouldn't still be in power if the Palestinians didn't keep giving them outrage material to use in elections.

On 6/4/2025 at 2:07 PM, Moonbox said:

Believing this is a reasonable argument requires some pretty selective logic, cherry picking of history, and an even more selective definition of the term "indigenous".  I suspect you'd have a lot of trouble defining what "indigenous" means in this context without making the inhabitants of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan etc more "indigenous" than the European and diaspora Jews who now live there.  

More than half the Jews in Israel are not descended from the European diaspora. And if your position is that people descended from those who arrived 75 years ago aren't legitimately entitled to be natives of that land then is it legitimate to campaign to expel all the third world types who came to Canada over the last 50 years as well as their children born here?

On 6/4/2025 at 3:04 PM, taxme said:

Did you ever think that you may have become an Israeli shill and are being used as a useful tool to help push and support what Israel is doing in Gaza? Hamas has a right to defend itself also. Think about that? 🤗

I wish we could send people like you over there to help them.

[I am Groot]

On 6/4/2025 at 4:04 PM, blackbird said:

Whoa!   You are uneducated on the basic situation in the middle east.   

No, he's just a Nazi. 

[I am Groot]

On 6/5/2025 at 11:50 PM, eyeball said:

Reparations for not living up to our responsibility to protect Palestinians from being attacked and displaced, for helping to create this mess in the first place and not stepping in sooner to put an end to hostilities.

Is this the White Man's Burden? 

We have ZERO responsibility to anyone in that area. The problems in that area are entirely of their own making. Like a lot of lefties, you insist that no matter what local brown people do, it has to ultimately be the white man's fault. Brown people have no agency. Brown people aren't responsible for anything. Brown people are, in the minds of so many on the Left, not quite human, sort of children for whom we wise, wealthy white people must always take care of. 

Sorry. No. The Arabs started the fighting. The Arabs have kept up the fighting. The responsibility is theirs.

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On 6/7/2025 at 12:55 PM, Moonbox said:

The idea that Hamas was legitimately elected is just as silly as your idea that European Jews are somehow more "indigenous" to the area than the other Semitic people who've lived in the area for thousands of years.  

The Arabs in that area were mostly nomadic Bedouins who moved back and forth with the winds of time. I doubt you could trace any particular lineage back that far other than the Jews.