PM Carney's chant of stop the war in Gaza is saying let Hamas carry on its attacks on Israel

[User]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 A nebulous claim?

LMAO! You can barely say the word oppression.

 

You are oppressing this forum with this BS. 

 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, User said:

Once again, Gaza was under Hamas control.

That's no excuse for oppressing subjugating and dispossessing Palestinians.

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Which isn't happening.

LMAO!

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That's no excuse for oppressing subjugating and dispossessing Palestinians.

 

Which isn't happening.  And would be no excuse for the murder of innocent civvies in a massive attack no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise

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LMAO!

Ahhh yes, your usual admission of failure and surrender    I accept   

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, User said:

Nope, they were under Hamas subjugation in Gaza.

That's no excuse for Israel subjugating Palestinians.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Untrue. Gaza is independent and under HAMAS control.  So right off the bat you're lying,

Hamas is not under Gazan control however.

2 hours ago, User said:

You are oppressing this forum with this BS.

Cry me a river.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That's no excuse for Israel subjugating Palestinians.

Sure it is. They voted for and supported back to mass and still due to this day and Hamas attacked Israel in a violent and unacceptable fashion and now they get to pay the price. Self-defense is a perfectly valid excuse. They can surrender at any time

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Hamas is not under Gazan control however.

 

Sure they are. They voted the men, they have supported them during the entire time, there is no movement to get rid of them, hamas is in power because the gazans allow it and now they pay the price

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Cry me a river.

I'm sure you meant cry me from a river to the sea   

 

Edited Thursday at 09:51 PM by CdnFox

[User]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Cry me a river.

You wanted that word used, I used it. 

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

That's no excuse for Israel subjugating Palestinians.

Hamas was in charge of Gaza. Blame them. 

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sure they are. They voted the men, they have supported them during the entire time, there is no movement to get rid of them, hamas is in power because the gazans allow it and now they pay the price

It's phenomenal how often you people like to advocate for Hamas' legitimacy by upholding their election to a minority government 20 years ago - where they saw fit to murder their opposition rather than share power and haven't held an election since.

Yes, it's easy to see why the great weight of solemn importance you place on elections makes you such a legend around here.

LMAO!

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's phenomenal how often you people like to advocate for Hamas' legitimacy by upholding their election to a minority government 20 years ago - where they saw fit to murder their opposition rather than share power and haven't held an election since.

They still have the support of the people now.  Duly elected and nobody's interested in throwing them out. So there you go. 

And considering all they do is 'fight injustice' on behalf of palestine as you say why would they? Right? 

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yes, it's easy to see why the great weight of solemn importance you place on elections makes you such a legend around here.

??? uhhhhh..... shhhhuuuurrre. 

Unrelated topic, how much nyquil have to had tonight?

20 minutes ago, eyeball said:

LMAO!

LOL  i accept your admission of defeat. 

Gaza is getting what gaza deserves at the moment.  The good news is that i doubt israel will leave hamas in tact in the end and maybe the people will learn that backing terrorist murderers isn't the best idea, and consider peace. 

[Gaétan]

16 hours ago, User said:

We need a forum tribunal to judge the quality of your posts here...

 

I don't answer to spys

[Venandi]

All in my opinion, but for what it's worth:

HAMAS is a reflection of the strong emotions / strong desires of many in Gaza... they want to see Israel annihilated. It's an ideology that manages to survive even in the face of striking  evidence that it's a bad idea and that better options exist. Palestinians can actually have peace anytime they want it, they've even come close on occasion but so far no cigar.

That sort of ideology (at a very low level) is on display here on the forum IMO. People will defend the indefensible if otherwise indefensible actions come from a party they are ideologically connected to. Use of slogans is almost always front and centre in that effort... here it takes a patently silly LMAO, duh, FFS and down vote form but it's somewhat comparable at a low level.

Human nature perhaps, but a difficult thing to sway whatever the cause.

That said, at the same time there's the fact that many don't like the heavy handed intrusive nature of HAMAS in their daily lives but they support them nonetheless because their ideology is a reflection of a popular objective and there is the absence of other alternatives. The other side of the intrusiveness coin (from the HAMAS perspective) is that stoking a high level of sustained hatred (and thus loyalty to the regime) is a full-time job and thirsty work. Thus the effort infects many aspects of daily life in Gaza. I think it's far more apparent now than previously, and largely as a result of those efforts. The effect of school indoctrination (as an example) shouldn't be underestimated.  

 A weak analogy of the "why factor" may be something along the lines of liberal minded people who truly despised JT, voting liberal regardless because they didn't see, or refused to accept another option. They become so committed and invested in the ideology itself that admitting they were wrong becomes impossible. Some here will defend COVID mandates regardless of what we learn about the harms it created in the future. It's a similar but far more intense thing in Gaza and I'm not sure how that bubble gets penetrated.

In the end (and IMO again), it means that If HAMAS is defeated and ceases to exist as a functioning entity, what replaces HAMAS is of real concern, there are plenty of bad actors willing to step up and there is always a danger of the replacement being something worse.

BTW, that's an opinion and not an argument. I don't plan to defend it or hurl insults at those who disagree. Take it for what it's worth... 

 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by Venandi

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Venandi said:

They become so committed and invested in the ideology itself that admitting they were wrong becomes impossible.

[CdnFox]

40 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Awww, no actual rebuttal so all you've got is family photos of what happens when you and  your kind try to think  

What he said is correct. And i'm afraid even a collage of science fiction characters won't change that.

The fail is yours kiddo 

[eyeball]

36 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

What he said is correct.

What he said is ironic and utterly un-selfconscious.

Something you just underscored.

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

What he said is ironic and utterly un-selfconscious.

No. It was correct.

As usual you want it to be different so you claim it's different but it isn't. What he said is correct. And your buthurt doesn't change that.

You are the one in the wrong here. Supporting terrorists is wrong. Trying to excuse the intentional slaughter of innocent women and children is wrong, 

But you don't like that so you're reduced to posting silly memes 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Trying to excuse the intentional slaughter of innocent women and children is wrong,

Sure is, that's why I say the atrocities in this conflict, no matter which side commits them, need to be prosecuted.

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure is, that's why I say the atrocities in this conflict, no matter which side commits them, need to be prosecuted.

Know what you say is that the atrocities are completely justified when they are committed by Hamas because they're repressed.

Truly no interest in prosecuting any issues committed by Hamas. You occasionally throw the line to the contrary so you can pretend that you're not 100% completely biased but it is painfully obvious that you are because your next statements will be how they were justified doing this because they were repressed

You've lied one too many times and now people know the truth about you. There's no point in faking it anymore

[User]

38 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure is, that's why I say the atrocities in this conflict, no matter which side commits them, need to be prosecuted.

"prosecuted"

More dishonest language. 

You know that no one will ever "prosecute" anyone. That is not how the world works. When people are waging war against you, you fight back, you don't naively demand someone arrest them. 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Know what you say is that the atrocities are completely justified when they are committed by Hamas because they're repressed.

Read English much? What a dingbat you are. Were you born this way or did you have to enroll in a course? LMAO!

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

Read English much? 

Better than you apparently.

You said it clearly and in plain English kiddo. And once again you are forced to try and retract something you said 15 minutes later when you realize how stupid it makes you look

You have said many times now straight out that the attack was completely justified because Hamas is just defending itself against repression

You are all in favor of terrorist activities provided it hurts Israel and backs Palestine and Hamas. You then complain and pretend that Israel defending itself is the same as committing atrocities.

The good news is you're not alone in your views, Hamas shares them entirely. The bad news is that particular view is getting a lot of palestinians and Hamas people killed right now. Well, bad news for you I mean

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, User said:

When people are waging war against you, you fight back, you don't naively demand someone arrest them. 

Wow, you almost sound like you're finally getting a handle on human nature.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Wow, you almost sound like you're finally getting a handle on human nature.

We understood it all along. That's why people like us support Israel when hamas actually wages war on them

It's you who pretends that when there is no war at all people are justified in killing civilians and children, not because they're fighting back but because of some nebulous concept of being repressed

[Moonlight Graham]

On 6/12/2025 at 8:47 AM, User said:

So... to what end, though?

You say this as if only Israel had no settlements in the West Bank and gave up the Golan Heights, then people in France would love them!

Israel is fighting for their life, and they have done so since literally day one of their existence as a country. 

If international law demands they give up a strategic high ground they conquered from war against them, why would Israel do so when the threats against them continue? You send a conflicting message - defend yourselves, but no, not like that. Do it while standing on one leg with your arm tied behind your back. Yeah, like that. 

Sorry, but this is such a naive demand and exactly why they ignore international law in this regard. 

Fair point.  I understand why they occupied the Golan Heights etc for strategic defense purposes, I don't blame them for that.  But that's different than building West Bank settlements and using the denial of food as a war tactic.

Israel is never going to please everyone but they do themselves no favors in international eyes when they do things like commit war crimes.  Israel's existence depends on international support from the US and other western countries, and that support shouldn't be completely unconditional.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 6/12/2025 at 8:54 AM, User said:

LOL, sure... you watch a bunch of young adults and kids at a concert get mowed down by machine guns, raped, tortured, taken hostage... the same done to famalies in their homes, while people are STILL held hostage and then demand Israel do what exactly? Not destroy Hamas?

This is the same garbage as before. Defend yourselves! But no... not like that. 

Israel and the IDF are doing more than any other country in the world would ever do in the same situation right now to protect innocent people in Gaza. But no, not like that, do more!

 

Are you saying no actions of Israel should ever be criticized?  I support their right to self-defense and to eliminate Hamas but they do sometimes go too far.   Israel is far more ethical than Hamas, but Hamas shouldn't be the standard of behaviour.

I do think it's very hypocrtical