PM Carney's chant of stop the war in Gaza is saying let Hamas carry on its attacks on Israel

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It obviously hasn't been hard enough.

 

Because that's not possible.  It doesn't work. 

Trying the same thing over and over hoping suddenly it will work is insane. 

[Moonlight Graham]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sure but I'm quite certain you'd submit to his oppression anyway Am I right?

I'm sure if indigenous people in Canada wanted their own sovereignty somewhere in Canada you'd want to send them to Europe?

If I were an Arab I wouldn't vote for or support far-right religious extremist jihadists who target children and families in their homes, and I wouldn't be dancing in the street when it happens.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

No you said every human being has the right to fight back against oppression,

You disagree?

[Moonlight Graham]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

I did address it. Resistance is the refusal to submit to oppression - the goal being to reduce or eliminate it.

You disagree?

If Palestinians only attacked military targets because of e.g. illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank etc that would make sense, and be legitimate resistance.  Since those aren't the methods of Hamas and isn't the main reason they attack Israelis it means most of their resistance isn't legitimate.

Let's be very clear on their methods and their goals.

The last 70 years since 1948 is the only time over the last 2000 years where Israeli/Palestinian Jews have been able to successfully defend their homeland against foreign invaders.  They do go too far at times and break international law (which is wrong), but I believe in their right to exist and defend themselves.

Let's also be clear that "Palestine" existed long before any significant population of Arabs lived in the area.

Edited yesterday at 03:57 AM by Moonlight Graham

[eyeball]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Because that's not possible.  It doesn't work. 

Trying the same thing over and over hoping suddenly it will work is insane. 

Try extermination then.

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said:

but I believe in their right to exist and defend themselves.

I do too I just think oppressing people is a poor strategy. It's clearly blowing back in their faces.

[Moonlight Graham]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Try extermination then.

I think the proper way for Israel to handle the situation is to abide by international law at all times while defending themselves against attack by Arabs.  They lose legitimacy among allies when they break international law.  Arab leaders, on the other hand, couldn't care less about international law, human rights etc.

[Moonlight Graham]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I do too I just think oppressing people is a poor strategy. It's clearly blowing back in their faces.

Yes I agree.  They go to far at times.  It's become a zero-sum situation among many Israeli politicians.  Fear and anger have made some of them lose their rationality and human decency.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You disagree?

Yes. It is NOT the right of every human being to burn rape and kill women and children in the name of "repression' who's definition is so vague that it could mean anything. 

Pay carefull attention.... THERE ... IS... NO... JUSTIFICATION... FOR ....  THAT ...AND ... NO ONE.... HAS .... THAT .... RIGHT 

They may have the right to peaceful protest.  They have the right to get their own people elected in israel, there ARE Palestinian members already, they have the right to try to convince the people of israel to push for peaceful resolution where they're not oppressed (however the hell they define that). 

But no, they do not have a right to violence. At all 

And if they push violence then they will be shot and killed the same as any rabid dog.  which is what is currently happening now. 

But they didn't do this because "repressed".  That's a lie you invented. In order to support the killings. 

21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Try extermination then.

Sounds like that's basically what's happening now.  Hope you're thrilled, it's what you're promoting when you justify their violence

[Gaétan]

The international tribunal must not only judge Netanyahu but also those who supported him in his acts of genocide such as Trudeau, Melanie Joly, Joe Biden, Trump and the financial circles, the Jews did not stop only at Hitler's death.

[User]

8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I think the proper way for Israel to handle the situation is to abide by international law at all times while defending themselves against attack by Arabs.  They lose legitimacy among allies when they break international law.  Arab leaders, on the other hand, couldn't care less about international law, human rights etc.

So... to what end, though?

You say this as if only Israel had no settlements in the West Bank and gave up the Golan Heights, then people in France would love them!

Israel is fighting for their life, and they have done so since literally day one of their existence as a country. 

If international law demands they give up a strategic high ground they conquered from war against them, why would Israel do so when the threats against them continue? You send a conflicting message - defend yourselves, but no, not like that. Do it while standing on one leg with your arm tied behind your back. Yeah, like that. 

Sorry, but this is such a naive demand and exactly why they ignore international law in this regard. 

 

[User]

47 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

The international tribunal must not only judge Netanyahu but also those who supported him in his acts of genocide such as Trudeau, Melanie Joly, Joe Biden, Trump and the financial circles, the Jews did not stop only at Hitler's death.

We need a forum tribunal to judge the quality of your posts here...

 

[User]

8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Yes I agree.  They go to far at times.  It's become a zero-sum situation among many Israeli politicians.  Fear and anger have made some of them lose their rationality and human decency.

LOL, sure... you watch a bunch of young adults and kids at a concert get mowed down by machine guns, raped, tortured, taken hostage... the same done to famalies in their homes, while people are STILL held hostage and then demand Israel do what exactly? Not destroy Hamas?

This is the same garbage as before. Defend yourselves! But no... not like that. 

Israel and the IDF are doing more than any other country in the world would ever do in the same situation right now to protect innocent people in Gaza. But no, not like that, do more!

 

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Pay carefull attention.... THERE ... IS... NO... JUSTIFICATION... FOR ....  THAT ...AND ... NO ONE.... HAS .... THAT .... RIGHT 

Go tell it to Israel.

10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Yes I agree.  They go to far at times.  It's become a zero-sum situation among many Israeli politicians.  Fear and anger have made some of them lose their rationality and human decency.

No kidding, look at what it's doing to you people.

[User]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Go tell it to Israel.

Once again, on October 7th Israeli's were on a major Holiday. 

No one was doing anything to anyone in Gaza. Hamas ran Gaza. Hamas was in charge. Hamas was the one oppressing their own people. 

Countless billions of dollars in forien aid have been poured into Gaza to make it a better place and Hamas squanders that on hating Israel, building tunnels, and trying to destroy Israel. 

So... WTF are we supposed to go tell Israel here?

 

[eyeball]

47 minutes ago, User said:

So... WTF are we supposed to go tell Israel here?

There's no justification for oppressing, dispossessing and subjugating Palestinians. There never has been and never will be.

At the same time tell Palestinians there's no justification for rape and murder.

I realize you think Israel has the right to do these things but you've never provided anything to corroborate it.

 

[User]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There's no justification for oppressing, dispossessing and subjugating Palestinians. There never has been and never will be.

At the same time tell Palestinians there's no justification for rape and murder.

I realize you think Israel has the right to do these things but you've never provided anything to corroborate it.

 

More vague BS so you can defend and support Hamas. 

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, User said:

We need a forum tribunal to judge the quality of your posts here...

 

Do we? Like.... is there some sort of disagreement with ANYONE about the quality of his posts? I feel like the judging is pretty much concluded at this point  

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There's no justification for oppressing, dispossessing and subjugating Palestinians.

 

Which isn't happening. Israel is responding to Palestinian aggression. And if the Palestinians want to fight back against anything that they consider to be unfair there are numerous and effective ways they can do so peacefully.

This isn't about oppression. This is about their hatred I'm a group of people and they're overwhelming desire to see them dead to the point where they are willing to watch their own people be blown into small bite-sized pieces in order to gain some sympathy at the UN for their cause

These are detestable people with no justification for their actions

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, User said:

Once again, on October 7th Israeli's were on a major Holiday. 

Once again, Israel's incessant oppression, dispossession and subjugation of Palestinians has been going on for 100 years.

It's still happening to this day.

 

[User]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Once again, Israel's incessant oppression, dispossession and subjugation of Palestinians has been going on for 100 years.

It's still happening to this day.

 

Once again, Gaza was under Hamas control. 

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Once again, Israel's incessant oppression, dispossession and subjugation of Palestinians has been going on for 100 years.

It's still happening to this day.

 

Untrue. But here you are again trying to defend the horrible attack on October 7th as being justified because of some nebulous claim of oppression that you can't even actually articulate. And as noted if they feel oppressed there are many peaceful ways that they can address that issue

Sorry kiddo but not only is this a lie it's a lie that's been thoroughly exposed. The only reason you spout this nonsense is that you want to justify the attack on October 7th and the slaughter of innocent civilians and this is the best you could come up with

[eyeball]

Just now, User said:

Once again, Gaza was under Hamas control.

And once again, Palestinians have always been under Israel's subjugation.

[User]

Just now, eyeball said:

And once again, Palestinians have always been under Israel's subjugation.

Nope, they were under Hamas subjugation in Gaza. 

 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Untrue. But here you are again trying to defend the horrible attack on October 7th as being justified because of some nebulous claim of oppression that you can't even actually articulate.

 A nebulous claim?

LMAO! You can barely say the word oppression.

 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And once again, Palestinians have always been under Israel's subjugation.

Untrue. Gaza is independent and under HAMAS control.  So right off the bat you're lying, 

 

Just now, eyeball said:

 A nebulous claim?

LMAO! You can barely say the word oppression.

 

You are the one who says it but can't define it. And once again you want your own failings to be my fault somehow.

There is zero justification for this, there is no excuse of oppression or anything along those lines that is remotely justifying of what has happened or they're continued aggression.

That's all just made up in your tiny little mind so that you can justify killing Jews