PM Carney says there should be a two-state solution, which clearly contradicts the Bible

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, User said:

I am not suggesting anything. Feel free to go back to where this discussion started to see my original comment if you are confused. 

 I'm not one who's confused. 

6 hours ago, User said:

... that is not what happened. 

It's exactly what happened.

[User]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm not one who's confused. 

You are the one trying to engage with me. I am doing just fine. 

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's exactly what happened.

Nope. 

[Barquentine]

6 hours ago, User said:

Well, regardless of the religious arguments here... that is not what happened.

Haven't heard of the 'settlers' in the left bank?

[User]

3 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Haven't heard of the 'settlers' in the left bank?

Have you not heard of the various wars they launched against Israel from there?

Yeah, they lost those and Israel keeps a security buffer zone now. 

 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

What my truth/religious background is . . . is of no concern to you.

So you have something to hide.  That seems to indicate you are a Romanist (many are Romanist, practicing or not)  and would explain why you claim I am a zealot.  Actually, I'm not a zealot.  Just an ordinary Bible-believer.  People that don't believe the Bible and who are held captive to Rome are in serious trouble with God.  Pointing out someone is intoxicated with a false belief system or atheism is not being a zealot.  It is throwing them a life ring if they accept it.  Most don't.

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[User]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

So you have something to hide.  That seems to indicate you are a Romanist (many are Romanist, practicing or not)  and would explain why you claim I am a zealot.  Actually, I'm not a zealot.  Just an ordinary Bible-believer.  People that don't believe the Bible and who are held captive to Rome are in serious trouble with God.  Pointing out someone is intoxicated with a false belief system or atheism is not being a zealot.  It is throwing them a life ring if they accept it.  Most don't.

You are far from an ordinary Bible believer. You denounce anyone and everyone that doesn't hold your very, very, very, narrow views while you lie and distort what others believe to denounce them. 

Edited 16 hours ago by User

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, User said:

You are far from an ordinary Bible believer. You denounce anyone and everyone that doesn't hold your very, very, very, narrow views while you lie and distort what others believe to denounce them. 

Go ahead and cast your false accusations if it makes you feel good.  I am not going to play that game.  Have fun.

[User]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Go ahead and cast your false accusations if it makes you feel good.  I am not going to play that game.  Have fun.

False accusations?

Look at what you are doing in this thread, denouncing the largest and one of the oldest Christian denominations in the world.

In another thread, you denounced every Bible and the people using them other than the King James version...

You do both of these things based on distortions and lies. 

[blackbird]

49 minutes ago, User said:

You are far from an ordinary Bible believer. You denounce anyone and everyone that doesn't hold your very, very, very, narrow views while you lie and distort what others believe to denounce them. 

Not true.  I simply speak the truth as I see it.  By your comments, you seem to reject Biblical truth and accept the false religion of Rome.  You said yourself it is a kind of Christian denomination and rebuked me for opposing Romanism.  You definitely could not be a Protestant and what exactly you believe, it is hard to understand.  You think I am a zealot for merely believing the Bible and what the reformers believed since the Reformation.  That is pretty bizarre.   I don't know what to make of you or what you believe.   

40 minutes ago, User said:

Look at what you are doing in this thread, denouncing the largest and one of the oldest Christian denominations in the world.

Wow!   You just said a bizarre thing again.  That is bizarre to say if you claim to believe the Bible.  Again you obviously don't know anything about Romanism.  You are defending false religion.  Unbelievable.

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[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, User said:

In another thread, you denounced every Bible and the people using them other than the King James version...

You do both of these things based on distortions and lies. 

False again.  I gave you the information and sources that prove the modern Bible versions are corrupt or counterfeit.  The fact you won't accept it or read the sources is your problem.   I have done what I could to help you but you reject it.

[blackbird]

"SOME ROMAN CATHOLIC HERESIES AND INVENTIONS and the dates of their adoption over a period of 1,650 years 1. Prayers for the dead: began about A.D. 300. 2. Making the sign of the cross: A.D. 300. 3. Wax candles: about A.D. 320. 4. Veneration of angels and dead saints, and use of images: A.D. 375. 5. The Mass, as a daily celebration: A.D. 394. 6. Beginning of the exaltation of Mary, the term “Mother of God” first applied to her by the Council of Ephesus: A.D. 431. 7. Priests began to dress differently from laymen: A.D. 500. 8. Extreme Unction: A.D. 526. 9. The doctrine of Purgatory, established by Gregory I: A.D. 593. 10. Latin language, used in prayer and worship, imposed by Gregory I: A.D. 600. 11. Prayers directed to Mary, dead saints, and angels: about A.D. 600. 12. Title of pope, or universal bishop, given to Boniface III by emperor Phocas: A.D. 607. 13. Kissing the pope’s foot, began with Pope Constantine: A.D. 709. 14. Temporal power of the popes, conferred by Pepin, king of the Franks: A.D. 750. 15. Worship of the cross, images, and relics: authorized in A.D. 786. 16. Holy water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest: A.D. 850. 17. Worship of St. Joseph: A.D. 890. 18. College of Cardinals established: A.D. 927. 19. Baptism of bells, instituted by pope John XIII: A.D. 965. 20. Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV: A.D. 995. 21. Fasting on Fridays and during Lent: A.D. 998. 22. The Mass, developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory in the 11th century. 23. Celibacy of the priesthood, decreed by pope Gregory VII (Hildebrand): A.D. 1079. 24. The Rosary, mechanical praying with beads, invented by Peter the Hermit: A.D. 1090. 25. The Inquisition, instituted by the Council of Verona: A.D. 1184. 26. Sale of Indulgences: A.D. 1190. 27. Transubstantiation, proclaimed by Pope Innocent III: A.D. 1215. 28. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest instead of to God, instituted by Pope Innocent III, in Lateran Council: A.D. 1215. 29. Adoration of the wafer (Host), decreed by Pope Honorius III: A.D. 1220. 30. Bible forbidden to laymen, placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Council of Toulouse: A.D. 1229. 31. The Scapular, invented by Simon Stock, an English monk: A.D. 1251. 32. Cup forbidden to the people at communion by Council of Constance: A.D. 1414. 33. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence: A.D. 1439. 34. The doctrine of Seven Sacraments affirmed: A.D. 1439. 35. The Ave Maria (part of the last half was completed 50 years later and approved by Pope Sixtus V at the end of the 16th century): A.D. 1508. 36. Jesuit order founded by Loyola: A.D. 1534. 37. Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent: A.D. 1545. 38. Apocryphal books added to the Bible by the Council of Trent: A.D. 1546. 39. Creed of pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed: A.D. 1560. 40. Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary, proclaimed by Pope Pius IX: A.D. 1854. 41. Syllabus of Errors, proclaimed by Pope Pius IX and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press, and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the pope’s temporal authority over all civil rulers: A.D. 1864. 42. Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council: A.D. 1870. 43. Public Schools condemned by Pope Pius XI: A.D. 1930. 44. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death), proclaimed by Pope Pius XII: A.D. 1950. 45. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church by Pope Paul VI: A.D. 1965. Add to these many others: monks, nuns, monasteries, convents, forty days Lent, holy week, Palm Sunday, Ash Wednesday, All Saints day, Candlemas day, fish day, meat days, incense, holy oil, holy palms, Christopher medals, charms, novenas, and still others. There you have it—the melancholy evidence of Rome’s steadily increasing departure from the simplicity of the Gospel, a departure so radical and far-reaching at the present time that it has produced a drastically anti-evangelical church. It is clear beyond possibility of doubt that the Roman Catholic religion as now practiced is the outgrowth of centuries of error. Human inventions have been substituted for Bible truth and practice. Intolerance and arrogance have replaced the love and kindness and tolerance that were the distinguishing qualities of the first century Christians, so that now in Roman Catholic countries Protestants and others who are sincere believers in Christ but who do not acknowledge the authority of the pope are subject to all kinds of restrictions and in some cases even forbidden to practice their religion. The distinctive attitude of the present day Roman Church was fixed largely by the Council of Trent (1545-1563), with its more than 100 anathemas or curses pronounced against all who then or in the future would dare to differ with its decisions. Think what all of this means! Each of the above doctrines or practices can be pin-pointed to the exact or approximate date at which it became a part of the system. And no single one of them became a part of the system until centuries after the time of Christ! Most of these doctrines and practices are binding on all Roman Catholics, for they have been proclaimed by a supposedly infallible pope or church council. To deny any doctrine or practice so proclaimed involves one in mortal sin. What will be next? Indications are that it will be another proclamation concerning Mary. Two new doctrines are under discussion: Mary as Mediatrix, and Mary as Co-redemptrix. Important Roman Catholic authorities have already indicated that these will be the next doctrines officially proclaimed. Mary is being presented in current Roman teaching as a Mediator along with Christ. She is said to be the “Mediatrix of all graces,” and the people are being told that the way to approach Christ is through His mother. “To Christ through Mary,” is the slogan. Her images outnumber those of Christ, and more prayer is offered to her than to Christ. It is also being said that Mary’s sufferings, particularly those at the cross, were redemptive in the same sense that Christ’s sufferings were redemptive. It would seem that these two doctrines, if adopted, would in effect place Mary as a fourth member of the Godhead, along with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And presumably these doctrines, if adopted, will be officially announced by the pope, for he was proclaimed infallible in this regard in 1870 and therefore no longer needs the authority of an ecumenical council. And still the Roman Church boasts that she never changes or teaches new doctrines! Semper idem—“Always the same”—is her motto! The fact that not one of the doctrines in the above list has any support in the Bible disproves conclusively the claim of the priests that their religion is the same as that taught by Christ and that the popes have been the faithful custodians of that truth. The fact is that many of the above listed rites and ceremonies were taken directly from paganism or from Old Testament Judaism. Some scholars say that as much as 75 percent of the Roman ritual is of pagan origin. John Henry Newman, later cardinal, in his book, The Development of the Christian Religion, admits that “Temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, holy days and seasons of devotion, processions, blessings of fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests, monks, and nuns), images, etc., are all of pagan origin” (p. 359). While the Roman Church has been so free to hurl the name “heretic” at all who differ with her, the above list shows that the real heretics are the Roman Catholics themselves, and that the true orthodox are the evangelical Christians. Says the Scripture: “But in vain do they worship me, teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men. ... Making void the word of God by your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things ye do” (Mark 7:7,13).'

--from book Roman Catholicism by Loraine Boettner

 Roman Catholicism : Loraine Boettner : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

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[User]

33 minutes ago, blackbird said:

False again.  I gave you the information and sources that prove the modern Bible versions are corrupt or counterfeit.  The fact you won't accept it or read the sources is your problem.   I have done what I could to help you but you reject it.

i pointed out exactly what you were doing in that thread too with the dishonest stuff you were posting just like i am here. 

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, User said:

i pointed out exactly what you were doing in that thread too with the dishonest stuff you were posting just like i am here. 

Lying again.  I posted nothing dishonest.

[SpankyMcFarland]

What does the Bible say about the two state solution to British North America? I wait with bated breath. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

There’s a lot of competition among Christians for top antisemite of each century in the Common Era but let nobody forget Martin Luther’s claim. He did the work. 

 

 

[Nefarious Banana]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

So you have something to hide.  That seems to indicate you are a Romanist (many are Romanist, practicing or not)  and would explain why you claim I am a zealot.  Actually, I'm not a zealot.  Just an ordinary Bible-believer.  People that don't believe the Bible and who are held captive to Rome are in serious trouble with God.  Pointing out someone is intoxicated with a false belief system or atheism is not being a zealot.  It is throwing them a life ring if they accept it.  Most don't.

Romanist?  What's that?  

That seems to indicate you are a nut bar zealot ...

[User]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Lying again.  I posted nothing dishonest.

You tried to claim they worship Mary. You claimed they "need" Mary. 

 

42 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Romanist?  What's that?  

That seems to indicate you are a nut bar zealot ...

It is an insult, a derogatory term used by folks like him to label Catholics. 

[blackbird]

19 minutes ago, User said:

You tried to claim they worship Mary. You claimed they "need" Mary. 

 

It is an insult, a derogatory term used by folks like him to label Catholics. 

It is a term for something that should not be praised or recognized as a good thing.  You can't accept truth.

You can't even accept the fact they worship Mary.  That is obvious to anyone.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Romanist?  What's that?  

That seems to indicate you are a nut bar zealot ...

No, not really.  The term is short for Roman Catholic.   Everyone should be concerned with a devout Romanist as the PM.  The last one was a Romanist as well as most PMs in Canada are.  Take a look at the western countries with the most problems in the past, the most poverty and dictatorships.  Examples are central and south America.  Lots of poverty and crime.  The most prosperous countries have been Protestant, like the UK and America.  The UK and America have had a lot of freedom as well.  Communist revolutions in Cuba, Venezuela, and other places that are Romanist.  Reportedly one third of the people in Italy support Communism.

Isn't it strange Italy was on the side of the Axis or Nazi powers in WW2.   

Why is it Canada gives billions of dollars of taxpayer money around the world supposedly for foreign aid?  Much of it is not properly accounted for either.   Much of it may have been wasted.   But spreading taxpayer money around the world fits in well with the Vatican ideology of Socialism or wealth redistribution.

Carney has a history of globalism including a position in the Vatican.  So we can expect the same kind of spending of taxpayer money around the world.

 

Edited 13 hours ago by blackbird

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, User said:

It is an insult, a derogatory term used by folks like him to label Catholics. 

"Roman Catholicism a Poor Defense against Communism We have no hesitation in saying that most of the Roman Catholic nations, had they been left to themselves, long ago would have fallen victims of Communism. In all probability both Italy and France would have turned Communist at the close of the Second World War had it not been for American aid and all of the political influence that our government could lawfully exert toward those nations, and even then the result was in doubt for some considerable time.

The Vatican had supported Mussolini’s Fascist and military policies, including the conquest of Ethiopia (which conquest had been condemned by the League of Nations and by practically all of the civilized world), his open and extensive support of Franco in Spain with troops and arms, and his invasion of Albania and Greece. After Italy entered the war on the side of Nazi Germany the Roman Church supported the Italian war effort, which meant, of course, that our work of carrying the war to a successful conclusion was made just that much harder.

During the war Pope Pius XII gave his blessing to large numbers of Italian and German troops who appeared before him in uniform. With the defeat of Germany and Italy those policies caused strong popular resentment. It is probable that, in the turmoil that followed the ignominious fall of Mussolini, the Roman Catholic Church would have been overthrown in much the same way that the Orthodox Catholic Church in Russia was overthrown when the Czarist regime fell at the end of the First World War, had not American military forces then in Italy preserved order.

In Russia a dead, formalistic church had lost the respect of the people and had become identified with the despotic rule of the Czar since he was the head of both the state and the church. When the people rose up in anger and threw out the political government, they threw out the church with it and turned to the other extreme, atheism. That has often been the case where the people have known only one church. When that became corrupt they had no alternative but to turn against religion altogether." 

-from the book Roman Catholicism

Be thankful we still have freedom of religion in Canada.  That is probably the only thing that has prevented Canada becoming a totalitarian country and possibly Communist.

[User]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

It is a term for something that should not be praised or recognized as a good thing.  You can't accept truth.

Like I said, it’s a derogatory name.

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You can't even accept the fact they worship Mary.  That is obvious to anyone.

They don’t worship Mary. You saying it is obvious doesn’t make it so.

Again, these are the kind of immature arguments I expect from ignorant people who are just bigots toward religion/Christianity in general. 
 

[Moonlight Graham]

Holy wars are fun.

 

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[Gaétan]

15 hours ago, User said:

"their" father being the small group of religious people he was talking to... NOT all Jews. 

 

I won't wate my time to answer agents of the cia or what ever

John 8 says this:

38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[b]”

What they have heard comes from the devil, he was taking of jews not only the people there, what they heard was what was taught to the jews not only the people there.

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, User said:

Like I said, it’s a derogatory name.

Yes it is, because it is not deserving of praise or honour.  People are free in this country to practice whatever religion they wish, but that does not mean we have to agree with it.  We are free to criticize and expose it if we believe it is false.   We do have a Charter of Rights and a Bill of rights that guarantees freedom of speech and religion.  That means we are free to criticize and reject any religion or follow any religion. 

Apparently you haven't learned that yet.  Respect basic freedoms.

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Adoration is what they give Mary who they call the Mother of God.

 

6 hours ago, User said:

They don’t worship Mary. You saying it is obvious doesn’t make it so.

This website proves once and for all they do worship Mary.

"

Roman Catholics And Popes Worship Mary

This Roman Catholic Beliefs study features images that show how Popes, priests and Catholics, revere and pray to Mary.

I have people proclaim that Catholics don’t worship Mary, so this page will prove that is false.

The Roman Catholic Church Catechism removed God’s second commandment which forbids idol worship, and split the tenth commandment in two, to fill the gap.

“You shall not make idols for yourselves; neither a carved image nor a sacred pillar shall you rear up for yourselves; nor shall you set up an engraved stone in your land, to bow down to it; for I am the LORD your God.” Leviticus 26:1

“You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God.” Exodus 20:4,5

The Catholic Church has many graven images, idols; of baby Jesus, of Jesus on the cross, Mary, Peter, etc.

And the Pope and Catholics bow to the statues and pray to them.

A statue of the Holy Virgin Mary of Fatima is carried during a candlelight vigil at the holy shrine. Thousands of Catholics are clearly seen venerating this idol of Mary.

A shrine is a holy or sacred place, which is dedicated to a specific deity, ancestor, hero, martyr, saint, daemon or similar figure of awe and respect, at which they are venerated or worshiped. (wiki)

You might not do that, but your Pope and other Catholics most certainly do.

Roman Catholics And Popes Worship Mary – Roman Catholic Beliefs

These Catholics are clearly kneeling and praying before a statue of Mary.

 

 

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[User]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Apparently you haven't learned that yet.  Respect basic freedoms.

Calling you out for being insulting is not trying to pass laws to prevent you from being insulting. 

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

This website proves once and for all they do worship Mary.

Spoiler alert! It does not. It is just the same baseless assertion you are making.

Taking a photo of someone kneeling and praying in front of a statue of Mary is not them "worshipping" Mary.