Trump has officially entered the psychotic emperor phase.

[herbie]

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO you are so out of touch

They are as usual distracting you with whataboutism and you're following down their rabbit hole. These MAGATS can't discuss any criticism of Trump by directly responding to it.
The entire argument always degrades into Hilary spilled milk on the Congress floor, so Trump should be able to shit on it if he wants.

 

 

[herbie]

On 5/23/2025 at 12:09 PM, CdnFox said:

Clinton did and so did Biden. I don't recall you being outrageously outraged at that point

we;re not talking about Clinton or Biden, are we? They're not the subject of discussion. Whatabout, whatabout, you're unable to even see that you're not discussing subject A by discussing subject B instead, are you?

It's because you can't defend the indefensible.

[User]

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

They are as usual distracting you with whataboutism and you're following down their rabbit hole. These MAGATS can't discuss any criticism of Trump by directly responding to it.
The entire argument always degrades into Hilary spilled milk on the Congress floor, so Trump should be able to shit on it if he wants.

 

 

Oh look, here is me directly responding... 

 

[herbie]

Oh so your direct response is outright dismissal and deflecting into utter lies?
Ok, Plato.

[User]

57 minutes ago, herbie said:

Oh so your direct response is outright dismissal and deflecting into utter lies?
Ok, Plato.

No, it wasn’t. Feel free to respond to the points I made if you can. 
 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

we;re not talking about Clinton or Biden, are we?

Sure we are. When we're talking about the behavior of a president of the united states or an official of the united states then we are talking about accepted practices and established precedent. 

Trump is not the first president of the united states. Perhaps you were unaware of that.  Of COURSE the established norms of those elected officials and presidents who went before him are ABSOLUTLY part of the discussion. 

The dems forgave clinton's OBVIOUS influence peddling, they forgave biden's pretty flagrant influence peddling and all under the guise that there was not proof of either sufficient for them to be arrested.  (there absolutely was evidence and strong evidnce in BOTH cases but not enough for criminal charges). 

Well, there's no evidence of a crime here either. 

So either they're ALL just fine or none of them are ok, but the dems have already set that bar as  "it's fine".  So no whining now. 

you go back to tripling your home's value with a credit card  

[Aristides]

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/23/nx-s1-5406188/qatar-gift-plane-trump-air-force-one-overhaul-explained

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/23/nx-s1-5406188/qatar-gift-plane-trump-air-force-one-overhaul-explained

Nobody gives a shit anymore. You might have gotten some interest initially if you hadn't pulled all those lies about it being his personal plane etc etc, but considering how hard you lied about that nobody's interested in anything you have to post or say on the matter now. 

That's what happens when you put your credibility into the ground like that. 

If they give it to him and if he takes it he'll do whatever and it'll cost whatever and nobody cares any more. Try starting with honesty next time. 

[robosmith]

On 5/25/2025 at 8:06 AM, BeaverFever said:

LMAO you are so out of touch. It is an objective fact of history that congress received forged electoral certificates for several states indicting a Trump rather than Biden win and that these certificates were created by Republican operatives in those states not the state officials responsible for certifying their election count  

 

Absolutely happened. Again this is an objective fact of history, such as his infamous call to Georgian official Raffensburger. “ All I need is 11,780 votes, just say you found 11,780 votes” and suggesting anyone who doesn’t is going to be prosecuted for election fraud. 
 

The sham lawsuits clearly had absolutely no merit in fact or legal argument, did not meet even the basic legal standard for bringing forward to a court of law and several lawyers involved were eventually sanctioned for misconduct as a result, some losing their license. 
 

1) Democts did nothing of the sort in 2016

2) the constitution requires that congress certify the election on January 6, period. There is no provision under the constitution to do it on any other date.  By attempting to prevent certification on Jan 6, an unprecedented constitutional crisis with no clear resolution would have occurred if Republicans had been successful in preventing certification on Jan 6, which was their goal  in order to proclaim the Biden win null and void and that Trump must remain office indefinitely until some sort of resolution could be found. 
 

There’s a reason the rally was held on Jan 6 near the Capitol and not some other date or other location, that’s not coincidence   In fact rhetoric from Trump and the other supporters during and in the leaduup to the rally was notably violent ; 

”you got to go to the streets and be as violent as Antifa.””

“we’re coming for you and we’re going to have a good time doing it!”

“let’s have trial by combat.”

“We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

Prior to Jan 6 Trump refused multiple recommendations from his own staff to use the word “peaceful” in any of his tweets and statements about the upcoming rally as staff were concerned that it could become violent  

Trump said the word “peacefully” ONCE in his speech which was written by his writers  But the speech said the word “fight” more than 20 times and he ad-libbed it in his remarks 18 more times 

Even after Trump learned that hos minions had breached the Capitol rather than de-escalate he continued to tweet incendiary comments about how their country had been stolen and how Mile Pence had betrayed them and America  
 

Even if we give Trump credit he doesn’t deserve and assume that he didn’t intend for a mob of his brainwashed zealots to attack the Capitol, it was definitely foreseeable and a massive act of negligence and incompetence on his part 

 

Heres a little thought exercise you can do in the future:  rather than pretend every egregious thing Trump does is totally normal and a nothingburger, try to imagine how you would react if Hillary, Obama or Biden had doe it instead. I highly doubt that if it was Biden and his supporters who had been committing those acts you would be ok with it. 

The FACT that Trump pardoned ALL of the MAGA GOONS, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they did EXACTLY what HE WANTED THEM TO DO on Jan 6th.

[User]

13 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The FACT that Trump pardoned ALL of the MAGA GOONS, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they did EXACTLY what HE WANTED THEM TO DO on Jan 6th.

How does it prove that?

 

[Aristides]

On 5/25/2025 at 8:56 PM, CdnFox said:

Nobody gives a shit anymore. You might have gotten some interest initially if you hadn't pulled all those lies about it being his personal plane etc etc, but considering how hard you lied about that nobody's interested in anything you have to post or say on the matter now. 

That's what happens when you put your credibility into the ground like that. 

If they give it to him and if he takes it he'll do whatever and it'll cost whatever and nobody cares any more. Try starting with honesty next time. 

Well if this thing is going to his library, it's just a vanity exercise at the expense of the taxpayer. If it is to serve as AF1 for the next 15 to 20 years, it might be worth the investment.  Even if it is completed in two years, it will still be a 15 year old airframe when it does go into service. 

That's reality. The Trump Cult doesn't care about reality.

You aren't one to be preaching honesty. 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, User said:

How does it prove that?

 

Because the voices in his head SAID so!!!  Pay attention to the voices!!

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Well if this thing is going to his library, it's just a vanity exercise at the expense of the taxpayer.

No, libraries are not just "vanity exericises".   I suppose if you wanted to try to make that kind of claim then you would have to say ALL presidential libraries are "vanity exercies" but in reality that's not true and it would be a tough argument to make. 

And the public can stop funding them at any time and close down all the presidential libraries if that's something they decide to do. 

And just  because you don't think it'll be worth the money doesn't make it true. I think the CBC is a complete waste of money, you disagree.  But the liberals got elected so for at least the next couple of years i'm going to have to live with the fact that 4 billion taxpayer dollars will be wasted on it. 

Like i said you lost any credibility when you started off with a bunch of bullcrap that wasn't true.  trump was elected, if he thinks that it's a good idea to accept it and use it till he's no longer president then that's his choice and it's better than some of the crap WE waste money on at the left's insistence. 

[Aristides]

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, libraries are not just "vanity exericises".   I suppose if you wanted to try to make that kind of claim then you would have to say ALL presidential libraries are "vanity exercies" but in reality that's not true and it would be a tough argument to make. 

And the public can stop funding them at any time and close down all the presidential libraries if that's something they decide to do. 

And just  because you don't think it'll be worth the money doesn't make it true. I think the CBC is a complete waste of money, you disagree.  But the liberals got elected so for at least the next couple of years i'm going to have to live with the fact that 4 billion taxpayer dollars will be wasted on it. 

Like i said you lost any credibility when you started off with a bunch of bullcrap that wasn't true.  trump was elected, if he thinks that it's a good idea to accept it and use it till he's no longer president then that's his choice and it's better than some of the crap WE waste money on at the left's insistence. 

When you spend hundreds of millions on a presidents ego trip, it's a vanity project. If they want to put an AF1 at his library, use one of the existing aircraft when it is retired. At least it will be a real AF1 that has served multiple presidents.

The Trump Cult would be apoplectic if something this was done by a Democrat president.

Edited Tuesday at 08:47 PM by Aristides

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, Aristides said:

When you spend hundreds of millions on a presidents ego trip, it's a vanity project.

That's completely entirely in your head. Literally all of that is your perception only it has no basis in fact or reality. You think it's an ego trip but he thinks of it differently. Millions of people will think of it differently. Your interpretation is not reality just because it's your interpretation

And the democratic presidents do far worse than this and seeing as you kept your mouth shut for that I guess you really don't have much room to complain now

[Aristides]

23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That's completely entirely in your head. Literally all of that is your perception only it has no basis in fact or reality. You think it's an ego trip but he thinks of it differently. Millions of people will think of it differently. Your interpretation is not reality just because it's your interpretation

 

Look genius, if this aircraft goes into service, it will be replacing a 35 year old aircraft. Why would you put the new one in a f*cking museum?

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And the democratic presidents do far worse than this and seeing as you kept your mouth shut for that I guess you really don't have much room to complain now

Like what?

Edited Tuesday at 09:30 PM by Aristides

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Look genius, if this aircraft goes into service, it will be replacing a 35 year old aircraft. Why would you put the new one in a f*cking museum?

 

Because a new new one will be ready about a year after trump leaves.  It's already on order, should be absolutely top of the line.  IT's too bad it's been so delayed. 

14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Like what?

Quite a few things, and this has been gone over many times.   Much of the foreign aid is highly questionable and of no value to the usa.  Paying off student debt (attempted) while saying screw you to all those who already paid off their debt on their own. Etc etc. 

Having lied in this thread so much already are you seriously going to add to it by claiming there's no democrat spending that is contentious and not to everyone's liking? 

Again, what this is boiling down to in the end is that you don't like the idea. I strongly suspect you'd have a softer tone if it were a democrat but regardless here or there it certainly valid for you to say that you feel the money would be better spent somewhere else and if you were in charge that's what would happen. You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

But you can't make the claim that it's morally wrong or evil or terrible or criminal or that he gets to keep the plane or any of the nonsense you've been spouting. If you decide to take the plane and use it so that's what he feels is best and that's what you get when you elect somebody.

[Aristides]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Because a new new one will be ready about a year after trump leaves.  It's already on order, should be absolutely top of the line.  IT's too bad it's been so delayed. 

Right, so there is no point in spending $100's of millions to convert this one and then stick it in a museum when you could just put one of the old ones in the museum. This one probably won't be ready before Trump leaves unless they short cut it so much it won't have the capability of the existing aircraft.

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Quite a few things, and this has been gone over many times.   Much of the foreign aid is highly questionable and of no value to the usa.  Paying off student debt (attempted) while saying screw you to all those who already paid off their debt on their own. Etc etc. 

Having lied in this thread so much already are you seriously going to add to it by claiming there's no democrat spending that is contentious and not to everyone's liking? 

Again, what this is boiling down to in the end is that you don't like the idea. I strongly suspect you'd have a softer tone if it were a democrat but regardless here or there it certainly valid for you to say that you feel the money would be better spent somewhere else and if you were in charge that's what would happen. You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

But you can't make the claim that it's morally wrong or evil or terrible or criminal or that he gets to keep the plane or any of the nonsense you've been spouting. If you decide to take the plane and use it so that's what he feels is best and that's what you get when you elect somebody.

 

So you can't find any. 

What it boils down to is you will justify anything Trump does, regardless of the expense or need. 

Edited Tuesday at 09:54 PM by Aristides

[CdnFox]

Just now, Aristides said:

Right, so there is no point in spending $100's of millions to convert this one and then stick it in a museum when you could just put one of the old ones in the museum.

Sure there he, he gets to use it in the meantime.  Nice plane by all accounts. 

 

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So you can't find any. 

So i did and now you're just reduced to lying. 

So what it REALLY boils down to is orange man bad at any costs. That's why you felt the need to start off with a lie in the first place. 

this is something that you on the left have to figure out one of these days. You have to be consistent in your morals, you say it's perfectly fine when the democrats do something like this but then when trump does something you don't like you lie about it and insist that it's the worst moral corruption in the history of man apparently.

Sorry to break it to you, but there's absolutely nothing wrong if trump wants to accept the plane if he feels it's worth it to spend the money to upgrade it. And if after he leaves he chooses to have it donated to his museum that something he absolutely can do.

And the most you can say wrong about it is that you don't like it. Which is fine I just find it strange that you like so many other things that are huge massive waste of money and you just simply pretend they don't exist. Makes it hard to take you seriously

 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Sure there he, he gets to use it in the meantime.  Nice plane by all accounts. 

 

 

Purely for his benefit and ego.

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So i did and now you're just reduced to lying. 

So what it REALLY boils down to is orange man bad at any costs. That's why you felt the need to start off with a lie in the first place. 

this is something that you on the left have to figure out one of these days. You have to be consistent in your morals, you say it's perfectly fine when the democrats do something like this but then when trump does something you don't like you lie about it and insist that it's the worst moral corruption in the history of man apparently.

Sorry to break it to you, but there's absolutely nothing wrong if trump wants to accept the plane if he feels it's worth it to spend the money to upgrade it. And if after he leaves he chooses to have it donated to his museum that something he absolutely can do.

And the most you can say wrong about it is that you don't like it. Which is fine I just find it strange that you like so many other things that are huge massive waste of money and you just simply pretend they don't exist. Makes it hard to take you seriously

 

No you didn't. None of those things were for their personal benefit. They got nothing out from them. This aircraft is nothing but a Trump ego trip. The existing aircraft may be old  but they are very low time compared to ones in airline service and perfectly serviceable until the new ones arrive. 

You will justify any sleezy thing Trump does. You have no standards whatsoever when it comes to that man. He can do anything he wants and you will blindly go along with it.

In future, don't complain about government waste because you will justify of condemn it based purely on partisanship.

Edited Tuesday at 11:35 PM by Aristides

[Nationalist]

On 5/25/2025 at 8:36 PM, CdnFox said:

Sure we are. When we're talking about the behavior of a president of the united states or an official of the united states then we are talking about accepted practices and established precedent. 

Trump is not the first president of the united states. Perhaps you were unaware of that.  Of COURSE the established norms of those elected officials and presidents who went before him are ABSOLUTLY part of the discussion. 

The dems forgave clinton's OBVIOUS influence peddling, they forgave biden's pretty flagrant influence peddling and all under the guise that there was not proof of either sufficient for them to be arrested.  (there absolutely was evidence and strong evidnce in BOTH cases but not enough for criminal charges). 

Well, there's no evidence of a crime here either. 

So either they're ALL just fine or none of them are ok, but the dems have already set that bar as  "it's fine".  So no whining now. 

you go back to tripling your home's value with a credit card  

In terms you can wrap you head around @herbie, is ya gits wut ya pays fer. 

You fckers begged for this. Dared us to fight back.

Now sit down, shut up, and deal with your own sh1t.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Purely for his benefit and ego.

according to the voices you hear.  And thats fine but it's not reality. 

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

No you didn't. None of those things were for their personal benefit.

Of course they are. As much as a plane that he can't keep is. It's for virtue signaling and personal brownie points in the crowds that they operate in etc etc. Sometimes it's even directly for personal gain as those same organizations will put them on their board of directors after they leave office where they will make a nice healthy amount of money for doing nothing. I believe it was just reported that Trudeau is up to 8 million dollars from that currently?

So again you're going back to this personal benefit lie which is simply untrue. Trump won't be keeping the plane. But you can't stop  lying about that. 

 

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You will justify any sleezy thing Trump does.

In fact I've been critical of a number of things he's done.

The difference between you and me is I base my approval or disapproval of something on facts and reality. You base yours on bigotry and hatred.

You lied about trump keeping the plane, you've lied about a number of other things, and you've dismissed all facts or reason.

Sorry, I realize that trying to convince you of the error of your ways is no different than trying to convince slave owners in the past that blacks really could be fine on their own even if they were free, but the fact is that this would be no different than a president accepting a gold snuff box, a sword encrusted with jewels, etc etc all of which has happened, and he doesn't get to benefit personally. 

Have fun with your hatred. 

[Aristides]

Taking a gift from a foreign government and spending $100's of millions of tax dollars so it can be fitted for your personal use and put in a museum in your name when you leave office is not an ego trip. You really have OD'd on the Kool Aid.

You are too far gone to have a rational discussion.

[gatomontes99]

3 hours ago, User said:

How does it prove that?

 

@robosmith will say the equivalent of " because Orange Man bad!"

[User]

5 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

@robosmith will say the equivalent of " because Orange Man bad!"

Nah, 50/50 he won't even respond at all. He will run away like he almost always does. 

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Taking a gift from a foreign government and spending $100's of millions of tax dollars so it can be fitted for your personal use and put in a museum in your name when you leave office is not an ego trip. You really have OD'd on the Kool Aid.

You are too far gone to have a rational discussion.

Once again... it is not for his personal use. 

You want to sit here talking about going to far and having a rational discussion but continue to engage in going to far with your own leftist dishonest talking points.