BeaverFever Posted May 5 Author Report Posted May 5 On 4/30/2025 at 11:01 AM, Nationalist said: The Guardian...LOL. You’re so pathetic. That’s all you got? The Guardian doesn’t calculate the country’s GDP you dummy. It’s official the economy SHRANK under and all you can day is “LOL” about the one of the countless outlets that reported it bthat Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 5 Author Report Posted May 5 On 4/30/2025 at 12:58 PM, Deluge said: Every day's a bad day for the woke zombie marxists, but nobody really cares what you degenerates think. The truth is, the US is going to have to go through some pain before things get better. Biden and the rest of the anti-Americans made one hell of a mess. So in other words you’re saying -61% of USA is “woke zombie Marxists” and Trump needs to ignore the majority of the country - Trumps presidential campaign which was based on the economy improving ON DAY ONE and never mentioned anything about “going through some pain” was based on a complete lie and his voters were fooled - And when the economy was growing under in 2024 before Trump took office was thanks to Biden, not Trump Is that correct? Quote
Nationalist Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 14 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: You’re so pathetic. That’s all you got? The Guardian doesn’t calculate the country’s GDP you dummy. It’s official the economy SHRANK under and all you can day is “LOL” about the one of the countless outlets that reported it bthat No. I can say that you lost and fck you. Have a nice day. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
gatomontes99 Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: You’re so pathetic. That’s all you got? The Guardian doesn’t calculate the country’s GDP you dummy. It’s official the economy SHRANK under and all you can day is “LOL” about the one of the countless outlets that reported it bthat Meh...did it though? The lion share of the shrinkage was reduced government spending and increased imports ahead of anticipated tariffs. If you exclude government spending, the increased exports, increased investments and stronger job growth indicates that the economy was doing great. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
herbie Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 Tariff on foreign movies Re-open Alcatraz Unlikely to invade Canada bu not so sure about Greenland "Doesn't know" if people in the USA deserve due process Repeats 61st state bullshit days before a meeting with PM Carney all within last 24 hours. Insane authoritarian madman at the helm, no elected body promoted any of these ideas, invented an imaginary 'national emergency' to personally dictate every single thing. The words "I will ask Congress to" have never left his fat fascist lips. While his scumbag supporters smirk and the rest of America continues to grumble and keep their thumbs up their a$$es. 1 Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 6 Author Report Posted May 6 (edited) 10 hours ago, Nationalist said: No. I can say that you lost and fck you. Have a nice day. LOL what did I lose exactly? Once again all you can respond with is childish insults because you have no argument against the reality that Trump has caused a growing economy to shrink and he’s paying a political price for it. In other words YOU lost Edited May 6 by BeaverFever Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 6 Author Report Posted May 6 9 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Meh...did it though? The lion share of the shrinkage was reduced government spending and increased imports ahead of anticipated tariffs. If you exclude government spending, the increased exports, increased investments and stronger job growth indicates that the economy was doing great. Oh that stock market is just tanking for nothing. Has it hit $6 trillion in losses yet? I lost count after the first 5. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 25 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Oh that stock market is just tanking for nothing. Has it hit $6 trillion in losses yet? I lost count after the first 5. Do you think the stock market is the economy? Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Nationalist Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 7 hours ago, BeaverFever said: LOL what did I lose exactly? Once again all you can respond with is childish insults because you have no argument against the reality that Trump has caused a growing economy to shrink and he’s paying a political price for it. In other words YOU lost https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2025/05/02/sp-500-notches-longest-winning-streak-since-2004-as-stocks-claw-back-from-liberation-day-crash/ Have a nice day. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 9 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Oh that stock market is just tanking for nothing. Has it hit $6 trillion in losses yet? I lost count after the first 5. This was the talking point 2 weeks ago. You really need to actually pay attention and keep up. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 11 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Do you think the stock market is the economy? The stock market reflects where investors think the economy is headed. Historically it has declined in every recession. Both the Dow and S&P are still down about 9% and the NASDAQ is down over 11% since Trump took office. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 21 minutes ago, Aristides said: The stock market reflects where investors think the economy is headed. Historically it has declined in every recession. Both the Dow and S&P are still down about 9% and the NASDAQ is down over 11% since Trump took office. Actually, the stock market reflects where investors think other investors think it is headed. Well, kind of. There are two types of investors, those that chase stock price and those that chase dividends. I chase dividends because I don't have to sell to gain money and I can use the dividends to grow my portfolio with taxes deferred. What you are seeing in the market is investors selling stocks that were not paying and investors thought other investors wouldn't want. And whether people would buy the stock depends heavily on import reliance. Now, they are selling because the final policy is not certain. Investors hate uncertainty. So the sell off we are seeing is mostly a money management hedge rather than an economic impact effect. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
User Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 1 hour ago, Aristides said: The stock market reflects where investors think the economy is headed. Historically it has declined in every recession. Both the Dow and S&P are still down about 9% and the NASDAQ is down over 11% since Trump took office. Sure... but you are ignoring the current trends and acting like the start point was Inauguration Day and the only other data point that matters is today. The markets have been responding positively to the better messaging on Tariffs now. Quote
Deluge Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 On 4/29/2025 at 7:06 PM, BeaverFever said: Trump has lowest 100-day approval rating in 80 years: POLL New poll offers warning signs for Trump as he approaches 100-day markJust 39% of respondents in a ABC News/Washington Post/Ipsos poll said they approve of how President Donald Trump is handling his job as president.Samuel Corum/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock Donald Trump has the lowest 100-day job approval rating of any president in the past 80 years, with public pushback on many of his policies and extensive economic discontent, including broad fears of a recession, according to a new ABC News/Washington Post/Ipsos poll. … https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/trump-lowest-100-day-approval-rating-80-years/story?id=121165473 This is funny when you consider that Harris would've been the lowest EVER. In fact there wouldn't even be any poll because we'd all be learning Chinese right about now. lol Quote
Aristides Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Actually, the stock market reflects where investors think other investors think it is headed. Well, kind of. There are two types of investors, those that chase stock price and those that chase dividends. I chase dividends because I don't have to sell to gain money and I can use the dividends to grow my portfolio with taxes deferred. What you are seeing in the market is investors selling stocks that were not paying and investors thought other investors wouldn't want. And whether people would buy the stock depends heavily on import reliance. Now, they are selling because the final policy is not certain. Investors hate uncertainty. So the sell off we are seeing is mostly a money management hedge rather than an economic impact effect. The biggest influence on markets are big institutional investors, pension plans etc. They don't "play" the market. The sell off is because they don't like what they see coming. Some of it will also be short sellers having to cover their losses. I also look for dividends but if a stock drops 10% and pays a 4% dividend, after tax it will take three years to break even if the stock doesn't recover. Quote
Aristides Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 Also, if inflation remains high and confidence in the USD drops, you will continue to see high interest rates which will also be a drag on stocks. Quote
User Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 33 minutes ago, Aristides said: Also, if inflation remains high and confidence in the USD drops, you will continue to see high interest rates which will also be a drag on stocks. What do you define as a high inflation rate right now to say remain high? Quote
Aristides Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 1 hour ago, User said: What do you define as a high inflation rate right now to say remain high? Let me put it this way. The USD is down against every major currency which is good for US exports but makes imports more expensive, plus the tariffs on top of that. The Canadian dollar is up 5% against the USD since February in spite of the Canadian 5 yr bond paying only 2.8% vs the US 5 yr paying 4.3%. Higher interest rates makes debt more expensive to service, including government debt. That in itself is inflationary. Quote
User Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 10 minutes ago, Aristides said: Let me put it this way. The USD is down against every major currency which is good for US exports but makes imports more expensive, plus the tariffs on top of that. The Canadian dollar is up 5% against the USD since February in spite of the Canadian 5 yr bond paying only 2.8% vs the US 5 yr paying 4.3%. Higher interest rates makes debt more expensive to service, including government debt. That in itself is inflationary. So... you were not talking about the inflation rate. Got it. Quote
Aristides Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 (edited) 46 minutes ago, User said: So... you were not talking about the inflation rate. Got it. I’m talking about the causes. Devalued currency buys you less, imports and money more expensive. The rate will be the rate. Edited May 6 by Aristides Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 6 Author Report Posted May 6 6 hours ago, Deluge said: This is funny when you consider that Harris would've been the lowest EVER. In fact there wouldn't even be any poll because we'd all be learning Chinese right about now. lol Wow that was a lame rebuttal Quote
User Posted May 7 Report Posted May 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, Aristides said: I’m talking about the causes. Devalued currency buys you less, imports and money more expensive. The rate will be the rate. You are shifting the goal posts to this now, but that is not what you initially said. Edited May 7 by User Quote
Aristides Posted May 7 Report Posted May 7 (edited) 6 minutes ago, User said: You are shifting the goal posts to this now, but that is not what you initially said. Inflation doesn't just happen, it has causes. The markets don't just crater, there are causes. Because your Trump worship doesn't allow you to acknowledge them doesn't mean they don't exist. Edited May 7 by Aristides Quote
Deluge Posted May 7 Report Posted May 7 (edited) 14 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Wow that was a lame rebuttal The truth isn't always flashy, pervert. Sometimes you just have to stfu and take it. Edited May 7 by Deluge Quote
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