Liberals release Platform - Carney platform promises $130B in new spending, deficits until 2029

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

What's worse:

• a $220B deficit with an economy that's been hamstrung by anti-pipeline laws which force us to sell our oil and gas to the US at heavily discounted prices
• a $60B deficit with a vastly expanded export economy?

 

Don't worry, that was a rhetorical question. I know your answer is "But but but... PLASTIC STRAWS AND AN ABORTION BAN!!!!", just like your answer to "which leader has more integrity". 

 

OOOH OOOH OOOH OOOH Another question: "Which party actually got caught colluding with China?"

 

Buh-bye Beavey. Run away now 🤣

PP’s economic numbers are completely made up,  he’s has no expertise in economics and has never so much as managed a McDonalds in his career. he’s a nobody on the world stage and in the business community, just another career politician passing through trying to sell some crazy idea.  The “platform” he released at the last minute is more of pamphlet than anything else, it contains more pictures of him and his wife than it does policy details or verifiable numbers.  It a glossy brochure for the right wing simpletons who just like to look at pictures and aren’t capable of serious inquisitive thought.  No surprise it appeals to you  

 

Its carney who will and already is building an export economy that will include some pipelines 

 

And no party “got caught colluding with Chine” you conspiracy kook. 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

PP’s economic numbers are completely made up,  

No they're not, stop lying. It's an actual budget, vetted by actual economists.

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he’s has no expertise in economics

So you think that he created the entire budget all by himself? Is that how you think things work? 🤣

 

Bottom line:

Carney's budget has quadruple the amount of debt, and ends up with a much smaller economy.

[BeaverFever]

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

No they're not, stop lying. It's an actual budget, vetted by actual economists.

As point of fact an election platform is not “an actual budget”   And Ive already posted one article and one video explaining how his “the budget will almost balance itself” magic numbers aren’t realistic. His numbers project without any basis in reality that the economy will  grow so massively under his stewardship  that even though he’s massively cut taxes and there’s a global trade war likely to cause recession somehow the budget will balance itself.   Exactly who are these “economists” verifying his flimsy numbers? Some no -name Fraser Institute hacks no doubt. Meanwhile Carney  actually is a world-renowned economist. 
 

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

So you think that he created the entire budget all by himself? Is that how you think things work? 🤣

 

I am sure he had a team and Inam sure he was closely involved because unlike PP this is Carney’s area of expertise and the only reason people are voting for him. Being an globally renowned expert economist is his whole brand and most of his career, and its the centrepiece of his platform. No way he’s just leaving it up to others to work on. 
 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

So the day it was released - which was days before the conservatives put out their fantasy brochure which they call a platform - the link was down for what?  A couple hours?  A day?  

Yes, I made intense criticism.

Now the liberals have admitted on the rosie Barton show that this was ready weeks before the leadership race even began. All Kearney needed to do was a couple of minor tweaks, they didn't come up with this after he became leader or anything

And despite all that they release it, it immediately gets severe negative press, and if there was a problem they don't just post an update they take the whole site down for a day.

So you have absolutely no problem insulting people without knowing the facts and rather than apologizing when you find out you were wrong you insist somehow that the fact that we were right doesn't mean much or something?

Pathetic you look right now? You look like some pathetic little liberal shell that lives in his mommy's basement I can't even own it when he says something ignorant and incorrect

The liberals got slaughtered for their budget, they took it down to minimize the damage and spread it over to the next day which was Easter. However you want to spin  that that's what happened. And it's got shit all to do with weather or not conservatives can use the computer. Say hi to your mom when you go up for dinner

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

As point of fact an election platform is not “an actual budget”   And Ive already posted one article and one video explaining how his “the budget will almost balance itself” magic numbers aren’t realistic. His numbers project without any basis in reality that the economy will  grow so massively under his stewardship  that even though he’s massively cut taxes and there’s a global trade war likely to cause recession somehow the budget will balance itself.   Exactly who are these “economists” verifying his flimsy numbers? Some no -name Fraser Institute hacks no doubt. Meanwhile Carney  actually is a world-renowned economist. 
 

I am sure he had a team and Inam sure he was closely involved because unlike PP this is Carney’s area of expertise and the only reason people are voting for him. Being an globally renowned expert economist is his whole brand and most of his career, and its the centrepiece of his platform. No way he’s just leaving it up to others to work on. 

FYI budgets get voted on in parliament, so no one released a budget, but every party released an economic plan which will theoretically become their budget if they get a majority gov't. 

The Libs' plan, or Carney's plan if you still need to pretend that it's a different party now, involves a carbon tax to hamstring "big emitters" which will have a negative impact on our economy, and it also keeps the kibosh on pipelines and other energy projects. 

So I wasn't joking at all when I said that Carney's plan is to end up with a smaller economy, it's actually right there in his plan. Heavy carbon taxes for industry, and a big fat no to energy projects and pipelines. 

And FYI you don't have to completely rule out those projects to stop them, you just have to create a hostile environment where businesses think they maybe can/probably can't get sh1t done, or that they might get approval now but won't be able to get shovels in the ground before a new LPOC gov't cancels them all like Trudeau did to $130billion worth of projects in 2015. Then they all look for opportunities in other countries. Their workers in those countries will have great jobs, the countries will have booming export economies, and our energy and minerals will stay in the ground until the Chinese buy all the rights to everything. 

CARNEY'S PLAN IS TO HAMSTRING OUR ECONOMY AND RUN MASSIVE, MASSIVE DEFICITS. How is that any different from Trudeau? It's not. Did he even say if he plans to keep immigration at 500k/year? Yes? No?

Edited 22 hours ago by WestCanMan

[betsy]

15 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Teo can play that game 

 

 

 

They're not comparable.

 

The point:
we know the track record of the LIBERALS when it comes to costed plans and actual cost!
Carney is very much part of the team that gave us the last deficit......that was nowhere near than the lower costed plan they gave before! It had ballooned!
The Liberals don't care about guard rails when it comes to spendings.

Carney is adding a huge amount to that.
You bet, it will be even higher than that costed plan.

The LIBERALS will stick to their ways.  Carney was behind a lot of Trudeau's economic decisions!   It's in the nature of the party!

 

That's why we need change!  
A change of doing things.

Edited 14 hours ago by betsy

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

They're not comparable.

 

The point:
we know the track record of the LIBERALS when it comes to costed plans and actual cost!
Carney is very much part of the team that gave us the last deficit......that was nowhere near than the lower costed pan they gave before! It had ballooned!
The Liberals don't care about guard rails when it comes to spendings.

Carney is adding a huge amount to that.
You bet, it will be even higher than that costed plan.

The LIBERALS will stick to their ways.  Carney was behind a lot of Trudeau's economic decisions!   It's in the nature of the party!

 

That's why we need change!  
A change of doing things.

It is a safe bet that if he's saying 200 billion in new debt over the next 4 years, it's going to be between 300 and 400 at least.

[betsy]

And talk about being between a hard place and a hard rock!

 

Lord help us if Carney wins a majority, since he can do anything!   

But if it's a minority - he'll be capitulating to other parties to be propped!  

Same Trudeau-esque saga, all over again. :shrug:

Edited 14 hours ago by betsy

[ExFlyer]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It is a safe bet that if he's saying 200 billion in new debt over the next 4 years, it's going to be between 300 and 400 at least.

making $hit up agan LOL

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/promise-tracker-parties-pitching-federal-080025419.html

"April 22: Poilievre releases his party's election platform, which forecasts $100 billion in deficits over the next four years"

"April 23: Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre says he would give police more power to dismantle tent cities, which he said are making public spaces unsafe. The Conservatives are promising to amend the Criminal Code to allow police to arrest people who are blocking public spaces with tents or temporary shelters. Poilievre said police would have the power to criminally charge the occupants of tent encampments."

Yeah...throw the homeless in jail ????

"The platform predicts $20 billion in revenue coming from counter-tariffs on the United States this fiscal year — a figure Poilievre said he borrowed from the Liberal government's own projections." 

Because he has no counter tariffs LOL

"Poilievre promises that he would require that banks recognize all skilled trades and apprenticeship programs as eligible for Registered Education Savings Plans."  

They are now...RESP is for any post high school eduction

"April 8 The Conservatives say that if they form government, they will crack down on offshore tax loopholes by appointing a "bring it home tax task force.""

Harper said that and failed LOL

"April 1: Poilievre promises to enact a set of five demands from the country's energy sector in the face of U.S. tariffs if his party forms government. They include streamlined regulation of projects, six-month deadlines for project approvals, an end to both the emissions cap and the industrial carbon price and the provision of Indigenous loan guarantees "at scale."

Regulation is not what the energy sector does, it is what government does. LOL

"March 31: Poilievre promises to create a pre-approved national energy corridor to speed up infrastructure projects."

So, he is going to tell Quebec they will have a pipeline whether they like it or not??? LOL

and on and on and on of worthless promises LOL

[CdnFox]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

making $hit up agan LOL

 

Nope. That's history buddy. The liberals, the current liberals who are currently in power and have been there all along, have exceeded every one of their budget promises by at least 50% and in most cases double.

Now if somebody does something again and again and again for 10 years, it is pretty reasonable for someone to say they are going to do it again.

You know it's true, that's why you tried to dodge the question By posting irrelevant crap about the conservatives instead of addressing the issue.

The liberals have more than doubled our national debt, borrowing more in 10 years than every other prime minister in history before them combined. Every single time they have promised that the deficit would only be so high it has grossly exceeded and usually doubled or tripled that.

There's absolutely no reason in the universe to think carney won't do the same, in fact there is much reason to think he won't because if you look at his financials he did not account for the tariffs effect on the economy and therefore government revenue. Some prominent sources have said that will automatically put him 10 billion dollars in the red each year more than he has said.

Sorry kiddo. I realize that you are a walking exercise and self-delusion and that's the only way you can remain a liberal in the first place but that does not change the facts