Jessie Simpson, victim of baseball bat beating in our soft-on-crime Liberal run country

[blackbird]

At the time of his graduation celebrations, Jessie walked onto the property of a guy who then beat him viciously and mercilessly with a baseball bat.  He now lives as almost a vegetable after suffering many pain-causing surgeries.  The offender spent 33 months in jail and is now out.

Edited April 9 by blackbird

[Michael Hardner]

Policy criticism usually looks at the overall effects of policy, not emotional stories about individuals.

You can always find a sad story.

[chocolatebob]

Saying a country is soft on crime is something that I can accept as a premise and I can look into and want to work to elect the appropriate leadership that takes the issue and works at solving it.

By adding the LIBERAL tag to the title shows your bias and shows that you are not serious about the issue of crime or being soft on it but that you want to hang this on LIBERALS and you suggest by that the other parties have no skin in this at all .... which is absolutely bogus.

Being soft on crime is a very motherhood statement.  In a country with laws which have a judiciary and which enlists the people to listen to the facts and to arrive at a sentence and that gets adjudicated and the sentence passed.

Every society struggles with right/wrong/penalty/how to administer it/for how long/how severe a penalty/how long until someone is deemed to have paid for their law breaking/etc etc etc.  I find it ludicrous to start the discussion with tagging something as LIBERAL or CONSERVATIVE or NDP etc etc etc.  That is what the politics in the US have degraded to.  Trump and his ilk, and there are plenty of the Trump mold here in Canada, use grievance and hate and labelling as their reason for why they should be elected to the highest office in the land.

OK, so let's say you hate LIBERALS or you hate CONSERVATIVES or you hate one of the other parties and hence your grievance now has an anchor, it was them that did it!  But that anchor is what never resolves an issue, all it does is put your party and you as the promoter of your party in a seat of power where your party can then do as much of the soft on crime crap as they want because they have now convinced themselves that they are right.  Right because they chant that they were put there by the people (e.g., they got elected but they could really care less about or really have no ideas about how to fix the soft on crime issue).

Where are the suggestions for the solutions to an issue.  When do politicians and party followers insist that there be concrete ideas that will resolve an issue vs just the complaints and grievances that the other party caused this so don't elect them elect us even though we have no ideas how to fix it either!

I hear many complaint from CONSERVATIVES particularly from the mouth of Pierre Poilievre but I do not hear much regarding proposals as solutions!  Again, Trump in the US has this same approach ..... complain and make everyone feel like they have been cheated and done wrong by so elect me, Trump, and I will make it all go away .... and look what they have in place as POTUS, the biggest LIAR convicted felon ignorant of the law and someone that could care less about the issues or the voters or the public or anyone else.  It is all me my mine in the US and truth be told that is exactly the direction that the Conservatives are going here in Canada ..... complain enough and you will get elected!  Where are the Conservatives proposals/solutions?

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Policy criticism usually looks at the overall effects of policy, not emotional stories about individuals.

You can always find a sad story.

Bull.  Actual cases show the depravity and blindness in not seeing the evil nature of this Liberal government and those who blindly support it.

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Policy criticism usually looks at the overall effects of policy, not emotional stories about individuals.

You can always find a sad story.

Ate you trying to excuse this?

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, chocolatebob said:

I hear many complaint from CONSERVATIVES particularly from the mouth of Pierre Poilievre but I do not hear much regarding proposals as solutions! 

Why lie?   There have been lots of details about solutions available on the internet and the media about what Conservatives would do if elected.

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Poilievre will pass a “Three-Strikes-And-You’re-Out” law to keep dangerous criminals behind bars longer and bring home safe streets.

Sault Ste. Marie, ON — Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre announced today that he will end the Liberal wave of violent crime by passing a Three-Strikes-and-You’re-Out Law. This law will stop criminals convicted of three serious offences from getting bail, probation, parole or house arrest, and keep violent criminals behind bars longer to keep them away from their victims and off our streets.

Poilievre will make sure that three-time serious criminals get a minimum prison term of 10 years and up to a life sentence. They will also be designated as Dangerous Offenders, meaning they cannot be released until they prove they are no longer a danger. The only way for these repeat serious criminals to obtain their freedom will be through spotless behaviour and clean drug tests during a lengthy minimum prison sentence, with earned release dependent on improving themselves and their life opportunities, such as by learning a trade or upgrading their education.

“We will lock up the worst violent offenders longer and make sure they are not released as long as they pose a danger to our society,” said Poilievre. “Hug-a-thug, catch-and-release policies have destroyed our once-safe towns and cities. Only Conservatives will take violent crime seriously and do what it takes to get it under control.” 

As a result of the Lost Liberal Decade, violent crime has skyrocketed by 50 percent, while gun crime is up 116 percent. Gang homicides have soared by 78 percent, and extortion and auto theft are up 357 percent and 46 percent, respectively. We can’t afford a fourth Liberal term under a weak leader like Mark Carney, who won’t take the bold action necessary to stop the crime and chaos in our streets. 

This crime wave was no accident. The Liberals introduced radical catch-and-release policies like Bill C-5, which allows some of the worst offenders to serve their sentences at home, and Bill C-75, which lets rampant criminals go free within hours of their arrest. 

The result has been a disaster for Canadian communities. 

In Saskatchewan in 2022, Myles Sanderson went on a spree, killing 11 people and injuring 17 more. Sanderson was out on “statutory release” after 59 prior convictions for assault, robbery, mischief and uttering threats. FIFTY. NINE. CONVICTIONS. If he had been kept in jail where he belonged, those 11 precious Canadians would still be alive. 

Last year, investigators in Peel Region made 18 arrests in connection with a string of home invasions, armed robberies and carjackings, with over $1.2 million worth of stolen vehicles recovered. Of the 18, half were out on bail. 

In Vancouver, police had to arrest the same 40 offenders 6,000 times. And in 2022, 256 people were charged with homicide while out on release. 

“Not only will Common Sense Conservatives repeal the Liberal catch-and-release laws, we will carry out the biggest crackdown on crime in Canadian history,” said Pierre Poilievre. 

Mark Carney will keep Liberal soft-on-crime laws. As Justin Trudeau’s advisor, he supported the Liberal Party as they let crime run rampant in our streets. As Liberal leader, his first move was to appoint David Lametti–-the same minister who was responsible for Trudeau’s soft-on-crime laws–-as his senior advisor. And his hand-picked candidate in Victoria wants to “defund” and “disarm” the police.

Only a new Conservative government will stop the crime, lock up dangerous criminals, and give repeat violent offenders jail, not bail. Only Conservatives will bring home safe streets for law-abiding Canadians–For a Change. Only Conservatives will put Canada First–For a Change.   unquote

Poilievre to Crack Down on Liberal Violent Crime Wave with ‘Three-Strikes-And-You’re-Out’ Law  - Conservative Party of Canada

We know Carney has said nothing about what he would do about the soft-on-crime policies and practices in the past ten years.  Why is that?  The answer is obvious.  He won't change things.

He has had lots of opportunity to tell what he would do.  Other Liberal MPs are silent also and say nothing about it.

Edited April 9 by blackbird

[blackbird]

Announced on the news this morning, although it is not new news.  This has been stated regularly:

Poilievre promises to ban bail, parole and house arrest for repeat serious offenders

Edited April 9 by blackbird

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Policy criticism usually looks at the overall effects of policy, not emotional stories about individuals.

You can always find a sad story.

Thats how they sell new policies, they attach emotion to them to get them noticed by the public, like climate change, where they used fear to sell it, or tariffs from the US, the liberals used fear, 

[CouchPotato]

 

[herbie]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Poilievre will pass a “Three-Strikes-And-You’re-Out” law to keep dangerous criminals behind bars longer and bring home safe streets.

Yes, just like Harper, pass a new Crime Bill every 24 hours for 4 years and have every single one struck down.
We used to have a "habitual criminal" law to cover this that was struck down 40 yrs ago. Now we've got another Tory touring this, knowing full well it's unconstitutional and millions of dimwits supporting do the same thing that doesn't work over and over again expecting results to be different.

Let's improve Canada by mimicking the redneck states, eh?

Once again our resident "Christian", without knowing the situation or sentence imposed, cherry picks a single incident to cause the most outrage and insists it's the norm, tying in the point the govt of the time is Liberal and concluding they must be the cause.
Can you dig up a few more logical errors you think will make your point?

Mr. Potatohead: Trudeau saw every mandatory minimum struck down so he was obviously much much smarter then PP and his supporters to waste time pursuing the idea.

Edited April 9 by herbie

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

knowing full well it's unconstitutional

The federal government has the power to override the supreme court which is a bunch of Liberals.  The feds could apply the not-withstanding clause to enforce the new laws. Stop the crime.  If the SCC and Liberals won't do it, they should be thrown out and a government that will protect the people elected.

[herbie]

A- the Supreme Court is not appointed by their political affiliation
B-your willingness for them to violate the Constitution by using the notwithstanding clause (which was not set up for Ottawa's uae) is beyond disgusting, an act of outright fascism.
C- Your implying that 'crime' is a significant issue, when you cannot distinguish the seriousness of one crime from another, that anyone other than a Judge can or should impose punishment and your repeated claims that more severe punishment is a solution points out your 19th century mentality. 

Your legal knowledge is no where near that of a Magistrate let alone a Supreme Court Judge. You have the right to squawk, but not that to be listened to.