Globalism

[herbie]

And he will fight this evil conspiracy by ensuring that $7.25/hr jobs sewing shirts and filling plastic bags with nuts, bolts and an allen key can only be done in the USofA..... with a flag at your desk and reciting the Pledge of Allegiance before you start work.

[Nationalist]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

And he will fight this evil conspiracy by ensuring that $7.25/hr jobs sewing shirts and filling plastic bags with nuts, bolts and an allen key can only be done in the USofA..... with a flag at your desk and reciting the Pledge of Allegiance before you start work.

Yes. And I think you'd be perfect for the job.

[Deluge]

17 hours ago, herbie said:

And he will fight this evil conspiracy by ensuring that $7.25/hr jobs sewing shirts and filling plastic bags with nuts, bolts and an allen key can only be done in the USofA..... 

Make Made in USA Great Again! 

[Aristides]

Stop the world, I want to get off really isn't a realistic strategy.

[Deluge]

14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Stop the world, I want to get off really isn't a realistic strategy.

Thus sayeth the globalist sluts. 

See, here in America, we believe in sovereignty and freedom, and we're not going to put up with a one world government. America exists as its own independent power - this is where we are headed. 

[Nationalist]

53 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Make Made in USA Great Again! 

Indeed.

And there is nothing wrong with wanting that. Hell everyone should feel the same. But they don't.

See...in the end, this is all about having the USA remaining there as a carrot and a stick for the uber-wealthy globalists. Its apparent they have little to no concern for "the little guy". They'll toss the USA aside once they bleed it for all its worth. But then some crazy-ass Yankee comes along and says, "No! No I happen to like the USA and No you are NOT gonna ruin it!"

Interestingly enough, Donald J Trump was wealthy enough and popular enough to be in the same circles as these greedy uber-wealthy, and knows them well enough to know how ruthless they are and what they plan. Admittedly he appears to have misjudged them somewhat the first go-round. Hell they take a shot at him and he still goes on defiantly. rather inspirational.

The middle and lower classes have spoken. Twice now. And they've told the globalists to go suck rocks. Historically...that is exactly how one would expect the American nation to react.

America has been bled almost dry. Its debt is unimaginable. Its society is split and in turmoil. Yesterday the globalist message boys and girls, all poo-pood JFK's decision to stop poisoning people with toxic dyes. How dare he!

This is-a-gonna go on for a while. The globalists will even try to sink the USA in efforts to stop Trump and his agenda. But if Trump is successful...the USA...and many other nations by osmosis...will come out the other end stronger and much more stable.

Edited Wednesday at 03:31 PM by Nationalist

[Aristides]

31 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Thus sayeth the globalist sluts. 

See, here in America, we believe in sovereignty and freedom, and we're not going to put up with a one world government. America exists as its own independent power - this is where we are headed. 

What you are talking about is a closed economy. The USSR tried that and we saw the result. 

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

What you are talking about is a closed economy. The USSR tried that and we saw the result. 

You're saying the US government is wiping out the private sector and making it illegal for US Citizens to leave the country. 

Where is your evidence of this? 

[Aristides]

16 minutes ago, Deluge said:

You're saying the US government is wiping out the private sector and making it illegal for US Citizens to leave the country. 

Where is your evidence of this? 

I’m saying you wind up with backward inefficient industries because they don’t have to compete in the rest of the world. This isn’t 1952 where Europe and Japan were bombed flat, China and Germany India were still 3rd world and the US was the only game in town.

[Deluge]

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I’m saying you wind up with backward inefficient industries because they don’t have to compete in the rest of the world. This isn’t 1952 where Europe and Japan were bombed flat, China and Germany India were still 3rd world and the US was the only game in town.

We're going to make our own products again. We're going to be independent and still open trade with other countries. We're going to be self sufficient AND be open in trade.

Why subject ourselves to some foreign a$$hole who threatens to shut down our electricity? It's f*cking insane. 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

We're going to make our own products again. We're going to be independent and still open trade with other countries. We're going to be self sufficient AND be open in trade.

Why subject ourselves to some foreign a$$hole who threatens to shut down our electricity? It's f*cking insane. 

If your industry is protected by tariffs it has no incentive to improve and compete. This has been shown over and over again. The rest of the world will not lower itself to your level and pay more  in order to buy your stuff. 

There was no threat to shut off electricity, it was the threat of a surcharge in response to threats made by your country to destroy our economy and annex our country to the US. A 25% surcharge was a pretty mild response compared to the threats being made by Mango Mussolini. BTW, it isn't "your electricity", it's our electricity which we sell to you because you need it.

Edited Wednesday at 06:18 PM by Aristides

[Deluge]

14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

1. If your industry is protected by tariffs it has no incentive to improve and compete. This has been shown over and over again. The rest of the world will not lower itself to your level and pay more  in order to buy your stuff. 

2. There was no threat to shut off electricity, it was the threat of a surcharge in response to threats made by your country to destroy our economy and annex our country to the US. A 25% surcharge was a pretty mild response compared to the threats being made by Mango Mussolini. BTW, it isn't "your electricity", it's our electricity which we sell to you because you need it.

1. You're right to an extent, but we're not going to suck at everything. The point is to become independent - that is where we're headed. 

2. I said it's insane to be dependent on a foreign nation. Again, the point is to be independent, and that includes generating our own f*cking electricity, not using yours. 

Edited Wednesday at 06:32 PM by Deluge

[Aristides]

17 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. You're right to an extent, but we're not going to suck at everything. The point is to become independent - that is where we're headed. 

2. I said it's insane to be dependent on a foreign nation. Again, the point is to be independent, and that includes generating our own f*cking electricity, not using yours. 

Everyone is dependent on foreign nations for something. To become independent in electricity you will need a bunch more nuclear plants or burn a lot more fossil fuels to generate it because you don't have large amounts of hydro power to generate it. You will end up paying more because you decided to threaten your neighbour for no reason. There was never any threat to your electricity supply until Trump decided to invent one.

Edited Wednesday at 06:49 PM by Aristides

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. You're right to an extent, but we're not going to suck at everything. The point is to become independent - that is where we're headed. 

2. I said it's insane to be dependent on a foreign nation. Again, the point is to be independent, and that includes generating our own f*cking electricity, not using yours. 

In some Industries you need to be Independent. You're right, America should be generating its own power. Quebec should be selling its power to Alberta not the united states. Canada protects its Telecom Industries for much the same reason, we don't need someone at AT&T being able to shut down our communications network

But outside of some very core things protectionism is absolutely a horrible idea. In that regard Aristides is correct. What it really means is a much smaller, a much less efficient, and much less prosperous economy.

You can't make Everything on your own and then also trade with the world. It just doesn't work that way. And every country that's tried it whether they're big or small has Done worse as a result.

The idea of returning some Industries to America make some sense but a lot of what trump is talking about doesn't. Isolationism leads to poverty. Free trade generally leads to prosperity. Yes, both have some serious downsides and free trade is far from perfect as it does leave you vulnerable to being cut off from certain things if you only have one source of that trade. But it's advantages far outweigh the disadvantages

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

What you are talking about is a closed economy. The USSR tried that and we saw the result. 

No he's is not.

Now...either you have incredibly bad cognitive abilities...or you're simply lying.

Trump is not trying to have a "closed economy". Trump is trying to bring manufacturing back to the nation he happens to be the leader of. That happens to be the job of a national leader. And for you to even suggest that Trump's plan is anything like what the soviets did...you have no idea what the Hell you're talking about.

[herbie]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Yes. And I think you'd be perfect for the job.

Sorry, I'm already paid way more than that on my 'entitled' CPP & OAS.
And you're grateful to pay more for a handful of strawberries than they earn per hour.

[herbie]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

What you are talking about is a closed economy. The USSR tried that and we saw the result. 

Oh FFS these guys don't believe it was economics or coming home to your wife screaming about standing in bread lines all day that had any effect, it was Reagan The Almighty that ended the USSR.
They think they can brainwash entitled Americans that dirt work is 'glorious' and low wages are fantastic to fill the returning sweatshops and deported field work.
Only the 'entitled elite' can make money with their brains instead of sweat.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

No he's is not.

Now...either you have incredibly bad cognitive abilities...or you're simply lying.

Trump is not trying to have a "closed economy". Trump is trying to bring manufacturing back to the nation he happens to be the leader of. That happens to be the job of a national leader. And for you to even suggest that Trump's plan is anything like what the soviets did...you have no idea what the Hell you're talking about.

He trying to do it by keeping other countries out with tariffs. They will do the same to the US.

Edited Wednesday at 09:18 PM by Aristides

[Nationalist]

13 hours ago, Aristides said:

He trying to do it by keeping other countries out with tariffs. They will do the same to the US.

As manufacturing comes back, who cares? Most countries have been imposing high tariffs on American imports all along.

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

As manufacturing comes back, who cares? Most countries have been imposing high tariffs on American imports all along.

Like I said, the US would be a closed economy. The US is not and cannot be self sufficient in everything. No country can

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Like I said, the US would be a closed economy. The US is not and cannot be self sufficient in everything. No country can

Gee...its sure a good think you don't run anything other than your mouth.

You really have no understanding of trade, do you.

The American economy is the world's largest consumer based economy. Do you really think companies and nations can afford to NOT sell their products there?

[Deluge]

21 hours ago, Aristides said:

Everyone is dependent on foreign nations for something. To become independent in electricity you will need a bunch more nuclear plants or burn a lot more fossil fuels to generate it because you don't have large amounts of hydro power to generate it. You will end up paying more because you decided to threaten your neighbour for no reason. There was never any threat to your electricity supply until Trump decided to invent one.

There's always a potential threat to our electricity when we're not generating it ourselves. Trump just proved that. We can't be f*cking with things like electricity - we need to be generating it for the entire country. 

 

Edited Thursday at 04:04 PM by Deluge

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

There's always a potential threat to our electricity when we're not generating it ourselves. Trump just proved that. We can't be f*cking with things like electricity - we need to be generating it for the entire country. 

 

Sure. But right now you don't and you can't. The cost of trying to do so would be enormously higher and millions of Americans would wind up paying much higher rates and that also puts huge dampers on american industry and economy

Just like we pay more for milk than you do because we insist on maintaining our own supplies so that nobody can cut off our food

And that may be something that America decides it wants to do. But then there's our oil. And you honestly can't replace that very easily at all.

Then there's our minerals which you can't replace period. You would have to go to china or other such places. Did you know that half of the nickel in the American Military devices and machines comes from Canada? And that we are also your closest and friendliest source of many of the other strategic materials that America doesn't have.

At the end of the day in this modern world you are going to be dependent on others to a degree. Protecting some critical Industries makes sense but you also have to make sure that the doors open for free trade as much as possible to ensure access to those resources and if you don't you risk getting cut off. There's no reason why we can't sell our oil to places other than the US, a couple of Pipelines and it's done

[Deluge]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure. But right now you don't and you can't. The cost of trying to do so would be enormously higher and millions of Americans would wind up paying much higher rates and that also puts huge dampers on american industry and economy

Just like we pay more for milk than you do because we insist on maintaining our own supplies so that nobody can cut off our food

And that may be something that America decides it wants to do. But then there's our oil. And you honestly can't replace that very easily at all.

Then there's our minerals which you can't replace period. You would have to go to china or other such places. Did you know that half of the nickel in the American Military devices and machines comes from Canada? And that we are also your closest and friendliest source of many of the other strategic materials that America doesn't have.

At the end of the day in this modern world you are going to be dependent on others to a degree. Protecting some critical Industries makes sense but you also have to make sure that the doors open for free trade as much as possible to ensure access to those resources and if you don't you risk getting cut off. There's no reason why we can't sell our oil to places other than the US, a couple of Pipelines and it's done

See? this is why Canada should be the 51st state!!

You guys seem to have a shitload of resources, and to be honest, I wish our country's were tight again. Trump really does have me wondering what in the f*ck is going on. 

 

 

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, Deluge said:

See? this is why Canada should be the 51st state!!

You guys seem to have a shitload of resources, and to be honest, I wish our country's were tight again. Trump really does have me wondering what in the f*ck is going on.

He simply doesn't have the balls to invade us is all.

What you need to do is make your dependency on us a national emergency and crisis that justifies our invasion.

You know you want to but....either you grow a pair or you stfu.