Conservatives Have Taken the Lead in Federal Polls

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Even the discussion of polls has become a partisan matter. Is it because you think polls favourable to them will produce a Liberal win? We’ll have to wait and see whether this poll is a random blip or a change in the trajectory of voter intentions. 

Polls are part of the tea leaves.  Elections can take wild and weird wacky course changes, and when you were trying to look at how the public is going to vote which is a very iffy proposition the best of times polls are one component that can giving indication of how people are feeling, but also even more importantly can give a strong indication of momentum. The importance of momentum in a political campaign cannot be overstated. Momentum is huge.

At the moment the momentum is beginning to swing back to the conservatives. Trump had put it entirely with the liberals but the numbers are beginning to show that that is softening and the conservatives are beginning to gain momentum. I don't think that situation is going to change radically until the debates. After that i think people will re evaluate and we'll go from there and see who's got the momentum. 

Of course, trump is still a wildcard.  The more he interferes the better for the liberals. I know he would prefer the liberals to win so god knows he might very well decide to rattle some more cages before the end

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

There was no difference between the last term and if he had held the majority. The NDP gave him one for free

No, Liberals had to give dental care - they had to cooperate IOW

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That you supported. And his party supported. And the NDP supported

Seems like the left basically supports dilettants

I'm sure it seems that way to any hard-boiled partisan who insists on ascribing the worst possible motives to anyone who doesn't support their guy.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

We already had Dental Care. Even says so on the national dental care website.

The federal CDCP started in December 2023. There was a temporary plan for uninsured kids in 2022 and a mix of largely inadequate provincial plans.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And for the cost paid we could have gotten everybody a health plan similar to what most people have through their work but Instead we got basically the same thing we already had

Perhaps but in any case we have an increasingly universal plan that's bringing us closer to our peers in Europe where dental care is just another health issue that's included with health care.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The vast vast majority of people wouldn't notice a difference. It's helped almost nobody. It's replaced the provincial plan so they pretend like it's helped lots of people but in reality the provincial plans were already helping those people

Inadequately as I said. Meanwhile the CDCP helped at least a million Canadians in its first year, another 2 million became eligible and if Carney is elected will become universal like all other health care.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And on top of that those same people now cannot afford food or housing. So for a dental plan that only helped a tiny number of people and then not much at all, you've put the health of millions at risk as they can no longer afford food and housing that's appropriate.

That's a pretty big stretch. I could do the same thing by saying that cheapskate employers don't pay enough so people can adequately support themselves.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That's like saying " Sure, I got put in front of a firing squad but they gave me a free cigarette so it was totally worth it"

That's not a stretch it's just silly.

[CdnFox]

41 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, Liberals had to give dental care - they had to cooperate IOW

I'm sure it seems that way to any hard-boiled partisan who insists on ascribing the worst possible motives to anyone who doesn't support their guy.

The federal CDCP started in December 2023. There was a temporary plan for uninsured kids in 2022 and a mix of largely inadequate provincial plans.

Perhaps but in any case we have an increasingly universal plan that's bringing us closer to our peers in Europe where dental care is just another health issue that's included with health care.

Inadequately as I said. Meanwhile the CDCP helped at least a million Canadians in its first year, another 2 million became eligible and if Carney is elected will become universal like all other health care.

That's a pretty big stretch. I could do the same thing by saying that cheapskate employers don't pay enough so people can adequately support themselves.

That's not a stretch it's just silly.

They didn't have to cooperate and they've been talking about pharmacare for ages.

And we both know that you did in fact support the liberals and that the others I mentioned do as well. 

And the vast majority of people that are covered now under Dental were covered under the provincial plans whether you like them or not

And we have no particular plan and we are not moving closer to one. All we have is an a massive waste of money that's going to make it harder to provide services to people who really need it. Just like the carbon tax and everything else you purport to believe in you're choosing virtue signaling over reality

There's no stretch whatsoever. Those are facts that have been reported on a million times. People can't afford to live. The young will never be able to afford a house if they don't inherit. That's just the way it is.

And it is 100% a result of liberal policy and that has been gone over a million times there's absolutely no arguing that.

Employers are fleeing Canada. The ones that are here are having trouble making ends meet for the most part. The only ones that are doing well are grocery stores because the Liberals have been bringing in an extra million mouths to feed each year

 

And as usual when you can't actually come up with an argument you just make a dumb statement. People are starving. 25% of Canadians used food banks last fall. I've posted these stats. People can barely afford to live and it's getting worse. But oh yeah we got dental care that we already had 90% of. It's like getting a breath mint from your executioner.

 

[eyeball]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They didn't have to cooperate and they've been talking about pharmacare for ages.

Talking as opposed to acting.

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And we both know that you did in fact support the liberals and that the others I mentioned do as well. 

Sure kid...

LMAO!

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And the vast majority of people that are covered now under Dental were covered under the provincial plans whether you like them or not

Assuming they were eligible...prov dental care sucked for that reason. Like I said, wholly inadequate compared to peer nations of ours. We're treating dental care as a health issue now, not the moral social issue Conservatives forever judged it to be.

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And we have no particular plan and we are not moving closer to one. All we have is an a massive waste of money that's going to make it harder to provide services to people who really need it. Just like the carbon tax and everything else you purport to believe in you're choosing virtue signaling over reality

Wah...sour cranky old grapes is just so you.

31 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There's no stretch whatsoever. Those are facts that have been reported on a million times. People can't afford to live. The young will never be able to afford a house if they don't inherit. That's just the way it is.

And it is 100% a result of liberal policy and that has been gone over a million times there's absolutely no arguing that.

These are global problems you forever blame on lefties - your signature go-to shtick.

36 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Employers are fleeing Canada. The ones that are here are having trouble making ends meet for the most part. The only ones that are doing well are grocery stores because the Liberals have been bringing in an extra million mouths to feed each year

Wait until climate change refugees start piling up....We haven't seen anything yet.

38 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And as usual when you can't actually come up with an argument you just make a dumb statement. 

🥱 Another go-to shtick of yours. Mom

39 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

People are starving. 25% of Canadians used food banks last fall. I've posted these stats.

Sure, like I said, blame cheapskate employers for not paying enough - as well you can blame governments for taxing lower income Canadians too much and not taxing the richest Canadians enough.

45 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But oh yeah we got dental care that we already had 90% of. It's like getting a breath mint from your executioner.

90% you say?

Bullshit.

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You can trust me, Nat 😀

Lol...

It's sad and upsetting that the traditional media is so blatantly bias. I see them claim that, 'We reported on that.' But people aren't as dull as Libbies think. They read and hear the words. The bent that they create. The way they describe things. Then there's the actual collaboration with liberal governments. That more people aren't incensed by this astounds me. Maybe they've already just given up on expecting real reporting...real science...real honesty.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had unbiased, cold truth in the news? Sure maybe an editorial segment. But not this deluge of editorial license. That license has been revoked a few times of late...and a lot more should be up for a license review.

[Goddess]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I do not trust "the system" nor the media. They have lied way too much and get caught regularly.

You shouldn't.

Watch this whistleblower expose Carney and the whole ESG, DEI, climate scam - Desiree Fixler.

They have taken the entire world on a wild ride and they're laughing about it behind closed doors, while the machines count their money. I used to think Carney was just another climate hysteria ding-dong, but no.....he's the architect of it all and he is pure evil.

I am a bit worried if he gets in.

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

People are starving. 25% of Canadians used food banks last fall.

All the more reason Canadians need wholly funded, universal healthcare that doesn't exclude dental care and that doesn't treat bad teeth as something that deserves moral judgement as opposed to a medical diagnosis. 

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I used to think Carney was just another climate hysteria ding-dong, but no.....he's the architect of it all and he is pure evil.

Purer than Anthony Fauci?

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

All the more reason Canadians need wholly funded, universal healthcare that doesn't exclude dental care and that doesn't treat bad teeth as something that deserves moral judgement as opposed to a medical diagnosis. 

It's not the government's job to look after your teeth.

 

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Purer than Anthony Fauci?

LOL

You took medical advice from someone who needed a presidential pardon for giving it!! 🤣

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

I doubt the effect of polls on voting behaviour this time will be that big for the Tories or Liberals. This election really is about something. Supporters of the NDP might claim that some of their voters might not turn up if they are polled lower than they really are but they are acting as if they agree with the polls anyway. If the Liberals stay ahead in the polls generally we’ll soon be hearing them urge voters to still turn up. 

[eyeball]

15 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Its not the government's job to look after your teeth.

It just ruins that holier than thou feeling for you doesn't it?

16 minutes ago, Goddess said:

LOL

You took medical advice from someone who needed a presidential pardon for giving it!! 🤣

That's not what the pardon was for. It was to protect him from being burned at the stake by you people.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Barquentine said:

But where will he get added support from? His base stays with him, but he's never going to get much from the other parties. And friends like Preston Manning only make it worse. And I don't think people will go back to the NDP at this point.

His base currently is made up of a significant portion of the younger ndp and liberals. 

He's pulled from the other parties a great deal. His problem is with older people. They tend to be the ones who only look at cbc. 

If he breaks into the older market then he wins a majority. The older people are less accessible to him. but the debates will be watched and their kids will be talking to them over spring break 

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That's not what the pardon was for. It was to protect him from being burned at the stake by you people.

Ya?  Then why did it go back to 2014?

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Ya?  Then why did it go back to 2014?

Because you people are nuts.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Because you people are nuts.

well that sounds like what  a criminal conspirator would say  

[Goddess]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Because you people are nuts.

Imma go with "Because that's when he started funding gain of function research on coronaviruses at the lab in Wuhan."

I'm sure its just another one of those "coincidences" that keep happening around the guy......sort of like China and Carney.

Edited April 9 by Goddess

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

well that sounds like what  a criminal conspirator would say  

You're what a reluctant self-loathing anti-vaxxing dingbat sounds like.

[Barquentine]

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

His base currently is made up of a significant portion of the younger ndp and liberals.

Significant? I find that very hard to believe. 3/4 of the NDP who switched went to the Liberals.

SooToday.com readerpolls  - Where are those voters coming from? The most dramatic and obvious shift is Green and NDP support to the Liberals — fully three-quarters of those who said they would vote NDP at the new year now say they will vote Liberal. 

[Barquentine]

34 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

His problem is with older people.

His problem is a lot bigger than that. Believability, likeability, trustworthiness... people do not respond well to PeePee.

[Legato]

17 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

His problem is a lot bigger than that. Believability, likeability, trustworthiness... people do not respond well to PeePee.

Codswallop.

[Goddess]

The Liberals are draining the country's coffers before they go.

With no sitting Parliament to oppose them, they just secretly authorized spending $40.3 billion of our taxpayer wealth on their programs — in the middle of an election. How? Executive decree known as an "order in council."

Media coverage: Zero.

I think this is illegal.

Section 53 of the Constitution Act, 1867, very specifically states that "Bills for appropriating any Part of the Public Revenue, or for imposing any Tax or Impost, shall originate in the House of Commons"

It's one of the most fundamental protections we have as taxpayers.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

The Liberals are draining the country's coffers before they go.

With no sitting Parliament to oppose them, they just secretly authorized spending $40.3 billion of our taxpayer wealth on their programs — in the middle of an election. How? Executive decree known as an "order in council."

Media coverage: Zero.

I think this is illegal.

Section 53 of the Constitution Act, 1867, very specifically states that "Bills for appropriating any Part of the Public Revenue, or for imposing any Tax or Impost, shall originate in the House of Commons"

It's one of the most fundamental protections we have as taxpayers.

For payment sounds more like bills and invoices are due and that the Financial Administration Act has a subsection that authorizes the Governor General to see to it they're paid.

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

sounds more like bills and invoices are due

"For the public good"

To the Liberals that means the money all goes into their bank accounts.

[CdnFox]

47 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Significant? I find that very hard to believe. 3/4 of the NDP who switched went to the Liberals.

 

Nope. And in fact I commented on this what it was happening as being absolutely stunned and showed the data. Right now the people leaving the NDP are going to the lips but before that we had the great Exodus going to the conservatives. The NDP voter pool should be somewhere in the neighborhood of approximately 19% but they fell to about 12 -14 percent, and almost every one of them were younger people going to the CPC. 

Now, of the remaining people they've fallen from about 12 to 9 or so and most of those are going to the libs supposedly. leaving the NDP with the worst numbers they've had in decades and the very real possibility they won't form official party. 

That and the supposed drop in block support is where carney's numbers come from. 

But the challenge is older people. The CPC is doing great with everyone under 65 although less so with women, but once you hit that older generation they're very much saying they'll vote liberal right now. And they're the ones who get out and vote the most.  SO that's a challenge. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Talking as opposed to acting.

Sure kid...

LMAO!

Assuming they were eligible...prov dental care sucked for that reason. Like I said, wholly inadequate compared to peer nations of ours. We're treating dental care as a health issue now, not the moral social issue Conservatives forever judged it to be.

Wah...sour cranky old grapes is just so you.

These are global problems you forever blame on lefties - your signature go-to shtick.

Wait until climate change refugees start piling up....We haven't seen anything yet.

🥱 Another go-to shtick of yours. Mom

Sure, like I said, blame cheapskate employers for not paying enough - as well you can blame governments for taxing lower income Canadians too much and not taxing the richest Canadians enough.

90% you say?

Bullshit.

But they didn't act. We don't have pharmacare. And again what they did deliver is already covered by the vast majority of provinces.

So again virtue signaling. You don't actually care about health you care about the appearance of doing something even if it achieves nothing.

And as I said we both know you support the liberals one way or another and whenever you pull the LMAO out we know that it's your way of saying you're uncomfortable because the other person is right   

And we know already that you're lying about them being global problems. Numerous banks economists other groups have pointed out how it's directly result of Canadian policies and have produced the numbers and the reports to prove it and I have posted most of them here and you still pretend otherwise.

Not global problems kiddo, liberal problems. Get rid of the liberals and they magically go away

There aren't any climate change refugees and there aren't going to be any climate change refugees. And I would point out that despite the fact that most of them were asked numerous times not a single lefty here has ever been able to produce a single scrap of science that suggests global warming is even going to be a significant problem never mind a crisis. You yourself have said it's not a crisis

And yes, truth and honesty is my go-to stick. I know that upsets you. You have to learn to cope

And no, you provided absolutely no evidence that the cheap skate employers aren't paying enough. They actually do pay enough but with inflation which is the liberals fault and with rising home and food prices which are the liberals fault the money doesn't go that far.

And that's a simple fact and easily verified, where's your comment about cheap state employers is just simply you making shit up to justify your bad attitude

And sorry kiddo the only bullshit around here is you.