West Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Hodad said: Collusion is a fact, but it's not a crime unto itself. It's not chargeable. Manafort could have confirmed the criminal aspects, but was offered a pardon instead. Hmmmm... So you are saying the FBI investigated non-crimes? Pretty gross if that's the case. They were used as Hillary's personal oppo research firm and makes the warrants all the more sus Edited March 22 by West Quote
Hodad Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) 19 minutes ago, West said: So you are saying the FBI investigated non-crimes? Pretty gross if that's the case. They were used as Hillary's personal oppo research firm and makes the warrants all the more sus No, you seem to have a hard time grasping the definition of the word "investigation." Consistently, across threads. They were investigating crimes. Trump is the one who introduced "collusion" as a descriptor. They were not able to establish intent, because Manafort's extreme efforts to conceal his communication with Kilimnik were indeed successful. The foldering, the burner phones, the fastidious deletions; it worked. Manafort and Kilimnik are the only ones (or Russian intelligence) who can confirm the how and why they did what they did, and Manafort certainly wasn't going to confess voluntarily. They could have used the leverage of Manafort's many other crimes to get to those confessions, but the promise of a pardon buys a lot of silence. Manafort was indeed guilty of many crimes. And he certainly did give away sensitive campaign information--allegedly behind Trump's back and under his nose. Trump should have despised Manafort. Instead, he pardoned him. Wonder why? Edited March 22 by Hodad Quote
West Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Hodad said: No, you seem to have a hard time grasping the definition of the word "investigation." Consistently, across threads. They were investigating crimes. Trump is the one who introduced "collusion" as a descriptor. They were not able to establish intent, because Manafort's extreme efforts to conceal his communication with Kilimnik were indeed successful. The foldering, the burner phones, the fastidious deletions; it worked. Manafort and Kilimnik are the only ones (or Russian intelligence) who can confirm the how and why they did what they did, and Manafort certainly wasn't going to confess voluntarily. They could have used the leverage of Manafort's many other crimes to get to those confessions, but the promise of a pardon buys a lot of silence. Manafort was indeed guilty of many crimes. And he certainly did give away sensitive campaign information--allegedly behind Trump's back and under his nose. Trump should have despised Manafort. Instead, he pardoned him. Wonder why? You are trying to rewrite history again. We know from the Durham report the investigations appeared to be predicated on opposition research and also investigator's bias. I'll leave it at that Edited March 22 by West Quote
Hodad Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 18 minutes ago, West said: You are trying to rewrite history again. We know from the Durham report the investigations appeared to be predicated on opposition research and also investigator's bias. I'll leave it at that Regardless of what the investigation was predicted on--debate as much as you like--it doesn't change the facts of what the investigation uncovered. It doesn't change the fact that the campaign was indeed colluding with Russian intelligence. Quote
West Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Hodad said: Regardless of what the investigation was predicted on--debate as much as you like--it doesn't change the facts of what the investigation uncovered. It doesn't change the fact that the campaign was indeed colluding with Russian intelligence. You shouldn't be basing all CRIMINAL investigation on what your political foe says about you. In my opinion, that's what's wrong with American politics right now. They don't actually debate issues like appropriate tax rate. They just cook up conspiracy theories to get the FBI to tarnish reputations. That flies in the face of any form of democracy, due process rights or common decency. When the ruling party can treat their institutions their own private investigation firm to try and dig up or twist narratives, any legitimate country falls apart and that's why you are witnessing the collapse of the institutions in the US. But that's why Democrats are doing it... either they weaponize the institutions or let them burn to the ground. Edited March 22 by West Quote
Nationalist Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 2 hours ago, Hodad said: Putting your head up someone else's ass instead hardly seems like a cure. Hey just because you suck the c0ck of Libbie chickenshit, doesn't mean everyone has to. Open up... 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 3 hours ago, Hodad said: Sure, jackhole, data can be used for all kinds of things! It's just a magical coincidence that he clandestinely delivered the polling and strategy information to a "friend"--who just happened to deliver it to the same hostile foreign intelligence service that was waging a campaign interference operation to help Trump win. It's a small, silly old world sometimes. So many amaaaaaazing coincidences! Anyone remember when Obama told an actual Russian politician that if he would just back off till after the campaign and election he could do so much more for them? That's actual collusion and the democrats were absolutely fine with it. A guy trump hires talk to some guy who then went and talked to some guy that Putin hired about polling data which is available for anyone who wants to pay for it. And that's just unacceptable. If the left didn't have bad ethics it would have no ethics 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Nationalist Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: Anyone remember when Obama told an actual Russian politician that if he would just back off till after the campaign and election he could do so much more for them? That's actual collusion and the democrats were absolutely fine with it. A guy trump hires talk to some guy who then went and talked to some guy that Putin hired about polling data which is available for anyone who wants to pay for it. And that's just unacceptable. If the left didn't have bad ethics it would have no ethics Indeed. They are so enthralled by their own sense of entitlement, superiority and overwhelming hatred, that they can't fathom the destruction they bring. It's veiled from them behind a wall of indescribable disdain and fear. They are deciples of Moloch. The Gawd of child sacrifice. And they willingly sacrifice their own children to it. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Aristides Posted March 23 Report Posted March 23 Supreme Court to WH https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/roberts-rebuke-trump-shows-seriousness-concern-white-house/story?id=119921304 This is a monster Roberts helped create. Wonder if he is having second thoughts. Quote
West Posted March 23 Report Posted March 23 2 hours ago, Aristides said: Supreme Court to WH https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/roberts-rebuke-trump-shows-seriousness-concern-white-house/story?id=119921304 This is a monster Roberts helped create. Wonder if he is having second thoughts. Roberts is a joke. No doubt about that Quote
Deluge Posted March 23 Author Report Posted March 23 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Supreme Court to WH https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/roberts-rebuke-trump-shows-seriousness-concern-white-house/story?id=119921304 This is a monster Roberts helped create. Wonder if he is having second thoughts. The lower courts are activist courts. Of course those a$$holes need to be impeached. Roberts, unfortunately, is more **** than anything else. I wish he'd go away so Trump could put in a stronger justice. Quote
Aristides Posted March 23 Report Posted March 23 2 hours ago, Deluge said: The lower courts are activist courts. Of course those a$$holes need to be impeached. Roberts, unfortunately, is more **** than anything else. I wish he'd go away so Trump could put in a stronger justice. You mean so he could become dictator with no checks from courts or congress. You really are a dictator loving little fascist. 1 Quote
User Posted March 23 Report Posted March 23 19 minutes ago, Aristides said: You mean so he could become dictator with no checks from courts or congress. You really are a dictator loving little fascist. How would he become a dictator here? How is it not anymore concerning that lower courts are engaged in functions that are shutting down entire executive branch functions and are no less engaged in their own form of "dictatorship?" Quote
Deluge Posted March 23 Author Report Posted March 23 1 hour ago, Aristides said: You mean so he could become dictator with no checks from courts or congress. You really are a dictator loving little fascist. No, that's what you mean. You mean that because you're a liar and your party is going down the shitter. The lower courts and rioters are all you dirtbags have left. Quote
Aristides Posted March 23 Report Posted March 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, Deluge said: No, that's what you mean. You mean that because you're a liar and your party is going down the shitter. The lower courts and rioters are all you dirtbags have left. No, that's what you mean. The executive, congress and supreme court are all equal. The checks and balances you Yanks like to brag about. You don't believe in that at all, you want all the power in the hands of the executive. The chief justice just told Trump that going after lower courts is not on, you follow the process like every other president in history. Edited March 23 by Aristides 1 Quote
Deluge Posted March 23 Author Report Posted March 23 39 minutes ago, Aristides said: No, that's what you mean. The executive, congress and supreme court are all equal. The checks and balances you Yanks like to brag about. You don't believe in that at all, you want all the power in the hands of the executive. The chief justice just told Trump that going after lower courts is not on, you follow the process like every other president in history. You have a partial point here. What Trump really needs to do is ignore the lower courts and continue with the deportations. If the woke virus takes over the SC, then Trump will have to pack the courts and continue with the deportations. Quote
Aristides Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Deluge said: You have a partial point here. What Trump really needs to do is ignore the lower courts and continue with the deportations. If the woke virus takes over the SC, then Trump will have to pack the courts and continue with the deportations. Then he is breaking the law but you don't seem to care about that. Republicans already have a majority of appointees on the SCOTUS. Roberts himself is a Republican appointee. Dictators pack courts with judges that do their bidding but then you want a dictatorship. Edited March 24 by Aristides 1 Quote
Deluge Posted March 24 Author Report Posted March 24 56 minutes ago, Aristides said: Then he is breaking the law but you don't seem to care about that. Republicans already have a majority of appointees on the SCOTUS. Roberts himself is a Republican appointee. Dictators pack courts with judges that do their bidding but then you want a dictatorship. Breaking what laws, you piece of shit? Point out in the constitution where activist judges can stop the president from ejecting illegal aliens. The lower courts are breaking laws, not the President. They're trying to usurp the power of the Executive Branch, and they're subverting the will of the people. President Trump is 100% right in wanting these shitbags impeached. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Deluge said: Breaking what laws, you piece of shit? Point out in the constitution where activist judges can stop the president from ejecting illegal aliens. The lower courts are breaking laws, not the President. They're trying to usurp the power of the Executive Branch, and they're subverting the will of the people. President Trump is 100% right in wanting these shitbags impeached. You want no limits on Trump's power. You want a dictatorship. Trump got less than 50% of the vote. Edited March 24 by Aristides 1 Quote
Deluge Posted March 24 Author Report Posted March 24 1 hour ago, Aristides said: You want no limits on Trump's power. You want a dictatorship. Trump got less than 50% of the vote. Point out where Trump is breaking the law, or stfu. Trump got the majority of the vote. Go wave your Hamas flag. Quote
Aristides Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 47 minutes ago, Deluge said: Point out where Trump is breaking the law, or stfu. Trump got the majority of the vote. Go wave your Hamas flag. Judges determine whether laws have been broken, that’s their job. You obviously don’t believe in rule of law. 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 8 hours ago, Aristides said: Judges determine whether laws have been broken, that’s their job. You obviously don’t believe in rule of law. And you obviously don't believe in an impartial judiciary. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Deluge Posted March 24 Author Report Posted March 24 8 hours ago, Aristides said: Judges determine whether laws have been broken, that’s their job. You obviously don’t believe in rule of law. Which laws? Point out the laws that have been broken. Quote
Aristides Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Deluge said: Which laws? Point out the laws that have been broken. That is for judges to determine, not the legally illiterate like you and I, or Trump. You can't give one person unlimited power and claim to live in a democracy governed by laws. You want a dictator. Edited March 24 by Aristides Quote
User Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 8 minutes ago, Aristides said: That is for judges to determine, not the legally illiterate like you and I, or Trump. You can't give one person unlimited power and claim to live in a democracy governed by laws. You want a dictator. You are the one asserting laws are being broken... so what determinations are you talking about then? Or are you in agreement that no laws are being broken? Trump has not been given unlimited power. Quote
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