gatomontes99 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 Just now, TreeBeard said: You believe him? Do you have evidence that proves he lied or are you going to speculate, in a way that comports to your preferred reality? Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: Where does it say a president must be aware of what he is doing with pardon powers? The very fact that "he is doing" anything would mean that he is aware. You are just obfuscating to avoid the point now. Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 50 minutes ago, User said: The very fact that "he is doing" anything would mean that he is aware. You are just obfuscating to avoid the point now. Biden “did stuff” too. The intent is obvious . That is enough to satisfy the constitution to exercise those powers. Why do you think otherwise? Because of a tweet? Did you buy bitcoin based on Trump’s tweets too? Sneakers? 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Why isn’t Hillary in jail yet? Probably because Republicans aren't as nasty and childish as you Libbies are. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: Biden “did stuff” too. The intent is obvious . That is enough to satisfy the constitution to exercise those powers. Is it? How do you know what pardons Biden directly was involved in approving or not? Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 37 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Probably because Republicans aren't as nasty and childish as you Libbies are. 😂 Wasn't Trump calling for her imprisonment at every rally? 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 4 minutes ago, User said: Is it? How do you know what pardons Biden directly was involved in approving or not? I think the burden of proof is on the ones trying to nullify them, isn’t it? You think a court is going to require Biden to justify the pardons, or else they’re voided? Or for Trump to prove there is a basis to void them? Quote
Nationalist Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 11 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: 😂 Wasn't Trump calling for her imprisonment at every rally? Did he follow through? No. NEXT! Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
TreeBeard Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 11 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Did he follow through? No. NEXT! He didn’t follow through because he’s such a kind man? Or is it more likely that there was nothing there to prosecute? Quote
Nationalist Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: He didn’t follow through because he’s such a kind man? Or is it more likely that there was nothing there to prosecute? https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/trump-clinton-investigation-kellyanne-conway-231735 Read it for yourself. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Hodad Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 This is a fantastically stupid post from a fantastically stupid POTUS. There is no evidence that an autopen was used. There is no law that forbids the use of an autopen--and multiple precedents that confirm it's legality. Does anyone think that Trump signed 1300 J6 pardons by hand? He's just a buffoon. 1 Quote
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 30 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: I think the burden of proof is on the ones trying to nullify them, isn’t it? You think a court is going to require Biden to justify the pardons, or else they’re voided? Or for Trump to prove there is a basis to void them? Justify the pardons? More obfuscation. No, what can be done is that Biden must prove he knew about each of these pardons and explicitly authorized them and it was not just someone in the administration using the autopen because Biden was not mentally fit enough to do so. Quote
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 8 minutes ago, Hodad said: This is a fantastically stupid post from a fantastically stupid POTUS. There is no evidence that an autopen was used. There is no law that forbids the use of an autopen--and multiple precedents that confirm it's legality. Does anyone think that Trump signed 1300 J6 pardons by hand? He's just a buffoon. Here is Trump's pardon of those involved in J6: Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 4 minutes ago, User said: what can be done is that Biden must prove he knew about each of these pardons Prove to whom? Quote
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Prove to whom? We shall see as this plays out. Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, User said: We shall see as this plays out. You can’t even explain what the process would be or why the ex-pres would need to prove something about his pardons? Quote
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 Just now, TreeBeard said: You can’t even explain what the process would be or why the ex-pres would need to prove something about his pardons? If he is currently being accused of not actually signing them or being mentally fit to be aware of them... and Trump has nullified those Pardons, yeah, this will have to play out somehow. Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 Just now, User said: If he is currently being accused of not actually signing them or being mentally fit to be aware of them... and Trump has nullified those Pardons, yeah, this will have to play out somehow. How does Trump nullify a pardon? Is a tweet enough? 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: How does Trump nullify a pardon? Is a tweet enough? This is simple enough but as usual you're just simply ignoring the basic truths of the matter Trump will launch investigations into the people he wants to investigate. They will step forward and say but I can't be prosecuted because I have immunity because of this pardon. Trump will fail to recognize the pardon as being legitimate. This will then be put in front of a judge who will rule as to whether or not it's legitimate. If trump can make a case that there's any doubt as to whether or not the pardons were legitimately signed then they will probably be set aside and the people can be prosecuted. If a judge finds They are legitimate and duly executed then they will stand. 4 minutes ago, User said: If he is currently being accused of not actually signing them or being mentally fit to be aware of them... and Trump has nullified those Pardons, yeah, this will have to play out somehow. The thing is trump isn't really nullifying the pardons. What he's saying is that they never existed from a legal point of view. And if he can make the case that Biden was unaware of them or incompetent or that they were executed in some fashion which isn't legitimate then it's not necessary to nullify anything. They will have never existed in the first place as far as the law is concerned 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
robosmith Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 (edited) 10 hours ago, Nationalist said: Sooo...Brandon's last minute pardons were all done with e-signatures, eh? How very...back-handed. Are these really legal or not? Did Brandon even know about it? How many other decisions were signed this way? This is gonna get messy. I wonder how Pelosi and Schiff feel right now? 😁 Point to the law or Constitution which says Trump gets to decide whether ANY pardons are invalid. 4 hours ago, West said: Basic null..sad. ^Basic FOOLED by CON MAN Trump, AGAIN. LMAO Edited March 17 by robosmith Quote
robosmith Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 4 hours ago, WestCanMan said: The problem is that he pardoned all the Dems, his family members, and his other associates in one fell swoop: "I hereby pardon all uv the peeple who committid crimez wif me." The ^baby has spoken in his best Trump impersonation, AGAIN. LMAO 4 hours ago, West said: "The process is the punishment".. (or something like that) -Barry Obama Thanks for admitting you believe the pathological LIAR Trump. LMAO Quote
robosmith Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 4 hours ago, WestCanMan said: 1) I'm not sure because I couldn't hear what Bill was saying to AG Lynch on the totally random tarmac meeting 2) Because the FBI lets her get away with saying "I can't remember" every time they interrogate her. Seriously, she had amnesia twice in her life, both times it happened right before her FBI interview. Don't you remember that when she was campaigning against Trump she theoretically "fell backwards on some stairs and hit her head"? The timing was perfect: she had amnesia while she talked to the FBI and it was gone the next day. Lynch RECUSED herself from the decision in lieu of Comey who explained why Hillary was not prosecuted. Do you need me to tell you what he said, AGAIN? Sorry YOU MISSED THAT. Probably wasn't reported on FOS LIES. 4 hours ago, WestCanMan said: The screenshot of truth: ^LYING, AGAIN, cause you can't handle the TRUTH. LMAO 4 hours ago, WestCanMan said: You know that there were dozens, maybe hundreds of people political prisoners who didn't belong in jail. The JURIES talk, and ^YOU WALK. Quote
robosmith Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 (edited) 3 hours ago, TreeBeard said: You believe him? MAGA CULT believes Trump on EVERYTHING. It's in their RULES, price of ADMISSION. Edited March 17 by robosmith Quote
robosmith Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Probably because Republicans aren't as nasty and childish as you Libbies are. No, it was because, as Comey said, (paraphrasing) no one has been prosecuted for what Hillary did. Quote Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past. In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here. Say it with me: "UNPRECEDENTED." Duh 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Did he follow through? No. NEXT! He TRIED but the idea was shot down by people who knew what happened. Duh Quote
Nationalist Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 2 hours ago, robosmith said: Point to the law or Constitution which says Trump gets to decide whether ANY pardons are invalid. Point to the law or Constitutional Amendment that provides for e-signature. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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