Dougie93 Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 (edited) 28 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I don't think that's true at all. Honestly if it were they would have pressured England to be buying nothing but f-35s anyway And as much as the UK depends on America, they're not likely to completely alienate a former colony either. I'm quite certain a deal could be done. Not that the Rafale is a horrible plane either And we couldn't make some changes to suit us better it might not be the UK, Italy is also looking to cut special deals with Washington, I doubt Georgia Meloni can be relied upon to defy Trump on behalf of Canada, in terms of Rafale v. Typhoon, many would argue that Rafale is the better fighter, with the more advanced radar and avionics, Rafale is also cheaper to operate with a higher availability rate, not sure what changes Canada would need to make, particularly as that would increase costs considerably, might depend on how many Canada was actually willing to buy, like if Canada is willing to buy a hundred jets, then that's a deal which is too big to walk away from, but Canada would have to put its money where its mouth is, place a firm order, nobody is blowing up their relations with Washington when Canada is only kicking tires Edited March 27 by Dougie93 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: it might not be the UK, Italy is also looking to cut special deals with Washington, It might not be anyone. At the end of the day you're a loser who doesn't even believe in Canada and parades his stolen valor around. Your opinion is less than useless. I'm confident one way or another if we wanted it we would be able to acquire it. Not certain it's the best choice but it's one that can be considered. I have no doubt that they would like to see more sales of those fighters because it makes them more affordable and upgradable for the countries that are already flying them. Anyway, canada will worry about what fighters it needs. You don't have to worry your little head about it. Edited March 27 by CdnFox Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 19 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Anyway, canada will worry about what fighters it needs. You don't have to worry your little head about it. merely an academic discussion, I'm not in the slightest bit concerned, Canada is all talk and no action, and certainly not willing to pay the premium for a full spectrum military, Quote
CdnFox Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 Just now, Dougie93 said: merely an academic discussion, I'm not in the slightest bit concerned, Well that does explain why you would rattle on about stuff you have no knowledge of. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Well that does explain why you would rattle on about stuff you have no knowledge of. Canada is well known all around the world, for having an absurdly dysfunctional military procurement process, to the point of the functional collapse of Canadian military capability therein. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Canada is well known all around the world, for having an absurdly dysfunctional military procurement process, to the point of the functional collapse of Canadian military capability therein. You're well known around the forum. For being a dishoenst loser who fakes valor and isn't canadian. so there you go. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: You're well known around the forum. For being a dishoenst loser who fakes valor and isn't canadian. so there you go. "Canadian" is a meaningless distinction at this juncture, a Post National State with no core identity is an accurate description Quote
Aristides Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 2 hours ago, Dougie93 said: any Eurofighter Consortium member can veto a sale, the UK is too deeply integrated with America to defy Washington, I don't see re-engining the Gripen as realistic, there is no European proxy for F414, Europeans are more realistic about immediate decoupling from America than the Canadian population is, Europe is much more reliant upon America for all the strategic assets America brings to bear, the Europeans realize that they are decades away from replacing that even if they start now, That's a two edged sword. The more the US interferes the more other countries will understand the need to disengage with the US. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 10 minutes ago, Aristides said: That's a two edged sword. The more the US interferes the more other countries will understand the need to disengage with the US. that is none the less a generational project, even for the Europeans, never mind Canada Quote
Aristides Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: that is none the less a generational project, even for the Europeans, never mind Canada It will take time but how long will depend on how much effort and money is put into it. Europe already manufactures 3 very capable Gen 4.5 fighters that still have a lot of upgrade potential and are working on 6 Gen aircraft. They certainly have the industrial and technological capability to build whatever they need. Canada needs to work on partnerships with Europe rather than the US when it comes to major systems. Too bad there isn't a BAE Canada like there is in Australia so we didn't have to partner with Lockmart to build the Type 26's. We should also reconsider some of the US systems that are going into those ships. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 8 minutes ago, Aristides said: It will take time but how long will depend on how much effort and money is put into it. Europe already manufactures 3 very capable Gen 4.5 fighters that still have a lot of upgrade potential and are working on 6 Gen aircraft. They certainly have the industrial and technological capability to build whatever they need. Canada needs to work on partnerships with Europe rather than the US when it comes to major systems. Too bad there isn't a BAE Canada like there is in Australia so we didn't have to partner with Lockmart to build the Type 26's. We should also reconsider some of the US systems that are going into those ships. I have no quarrel with Canada diversifying its defence purchases, I simply doubt Canada's political will & state capacity to follow through on anything defence related at this juncture Quote
CdnFox Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: "Canadian" is a meaningless distinction at this juncture, Good, because you would be an embarrassment to the rest of us if you were one. We can both agree or not a Canadian Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 21 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Good, because you would be an embarrassment to the rest of us if you were one. We can both agree or not a Canadian I would be embarrassed to be mistaken for a "Canadian" now, as nothing is more pathetic than the Post National State, Quote
CdnFox Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: I would be embarrassed to be mistaken for a "Canadian" now Well there you go, we can both agree or no Canadian and that you're an embarrassment either way Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Well there you go, we can both agree or no Canadian and that you're an embarrassment either way nobody cares what Canadians say anymore, since Canada became the land of all talk and no action Quote
CdnFox Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: nobody cares what Canadians say anymore, since Canada became the land of all talk and no action Sure kiddo, now you run along the adults are talking. Quote
Aristides Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 2 hours ago, Dougie93 said: I have no quarrel with Canada diversifying its defence purchases, I simply doubt Canada's political will & state capacity to follow through on anything defence related at this juncture We'll see. It's a new era, Canada hasn't seen this kind of threat for 150 years. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 5 minutes ago, Aristides said: We'll see. It's a new era, Canada hasn't seen this kind of threat for 150 years. sure, we'll see, but after decades of inaction, and completely making itself into a American vassal state resource colony, Canada is going to have to prove itself capable of building anything at all, I wouldn't bet on it mind you, quite sure Canada will come crawling back to America to buy the F-35 in the end Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 37 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Sure kiddo, now you run along the adults are talking. sure, the Canadian "adults" in the American vassal state resource colony with no identity nor sovereignty of its own, knock yourselves out / shrugs Quote
CdnFox Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: sure, the Canadian "adults" in the American vassal state resource colony with no identity nor sovereignty of its own, knock yourselves out / shrugs It's normal for people like you to mock their superiors. The lowest Canadian is still better than you. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 11 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It's normal for people like you to mock their superiors. The lowest Canadian is still better than you. Canada is lowly by nature, literally the world's door mat Quote
CdnFox Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Canada is lowly by nature, literally the world's door mat I'm sure you think you're looking down at canada, but the fact is you're lying on your back. Like any good prostitute. We're content as long as we agree you're not going to call yourself a canadian. We don't need the embarrassment. It would be like having a retarded monkey hooker as a relative. YOU might be ok with that but we're not. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 10 minutes ago, CdnFox said: YOU might be ok with that but we're not. who is "we" ? the Trumpy CPC party ? who is with you Quislings in Canada ? Quote
CdnFox Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 3 hours ago, Dougie93 said: who is "we" ? Canada. ie: not you. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 On 3/27/2025 at 4:40 PM, Aristides said: It will take time but how long will depend on how much effort and money is put into it. Europe already manufactures 3 very capable Gen 4.5 fighters that still have a lot of upgrade potential and are working on 6 Gen aircraft. They certainly have the industrial and technological capability to build whatever they need. Canada needs to work on partnerships with Europe rather than the US when it comes to major systems. Too bad there isn't a BAE Canada like there is in Australia so we didn't have to partner with Lockmart to build the Type 26's. We should also reconsider some of the US systems that are going into those ships. Australia is also going with the Aegis spy 7 system.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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