Now is the time to throw your support to help save Canada from the Liberals

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If there's a war, the only smart thing to do is roll over. The US can drop more infantry in Ottawa in one day than we have MEMBERS of the Canadian armed forces. I'm including cooks and every other support trade.

we Americans are not going to fight for that,

we hate that sort of thing,

we are lovers not fighters, we just want to get the girls & make money,

we don't want anything to do with foreign wars of occupation, quite the opposite

if America tried to invade Canada, there would be a mutiny in the ranks,

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

if America tried to invade Canada, there would be a mutiny in the ranks,

Exactly. Unless we have people running our gov't who said stupid things like "Let's get nukes to defend ourselves against America!"

If Carney wins the leadership race, and becomes PM, how can he keep Freeland out of the cabinet? 

How can Canada maintain our big-boy status on the international stage with Miss "Nukes against America" in the cabinet? 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, PIK said:

Who cares what the Europeans think of PP. Once they realize he is not what the MSM says, we can all get to work.

But how will the Europeans ever come to realize this given the total power and control of the LPOC/MSM?

And what about the Deep-MSM?

[Dougie93]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Exactly. Unless we have people running our gov't who said stupid things like "Let's get nukes to defend ourselves against America!"

sometimes America needs to get its comeuppance too,

America is already regretting messing with the Canadians,

Americans are already saying ; oh shit, we've really bitten off more than we can chew,

Americans are not as scary as Canadians perceive us to be,

[Barquentine]

34 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I was born under the British North America Act 1867

my Canada was British to the bone,

I've always been a Royal Canadian, never a Canadian Nationalist

Fine, but things change.

[Dougie93]

Just now, Barquentine said:

Fine, but things change.

my oath to Elizabeth Windsor heirs & successors was for life and unto death as necessary,

if the rest of Canada is for turning, so be it

but we Britons hold to our oaths,

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

I'm not Canadian

Thank god. If we need to be that embarrassed we always have Justin Trudeau we don't need another one

[Dougie93]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Thank god. If we need to be that embarrassed we always have Justin Trudeau we don't need another one

Justin Trudeau is saving his legacy, he's doing a good job of standing up to Trump,

America is quite impressed actually, everyone is talking about how Trudeau told Trump to pound sand

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Justin Trudeau is saving his legacy

Which makes him more successful than you I guess. Man that's gotta sting.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Which makes him more successful than you I guess. Man that's gotta sting.

you are the one who is butt hurt, obviously / shrugs

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Justin Trudeau is saving his legacy, he's doing a good job of standing up to Trump,

America is quite impressed actually, everyone is talking about how Trudeau told Trump to pound sand

Yeah he was at his best last week.  Again though, Trudeau has done a lot of damage to Canada and his government is at least 50% responsible for why Trump has shown so much disrespect for the Canadian PM and our sovereignty.  This wouldn’t have happened under Harper because he wouldn’t have shifted the country in such a radical left direction.  He restored the Royal in Canada’s institutions, whereas Trudeau brought you Post-National State, admiration for the Chinese dictatorship, and fascistic rhetoric towards opposition during the pandemic, not to mention the Emergencies Act and freezing of bank accounts.  Trudeau is too drunk with his own posturing and currying favour with global interests. The endless shaming of “settler colonial” Canada is perhaps irreversibly embedded in our national narrative.

Carney will use more conservative rhetoric but won’t govern much differently from Trudeau.  Only PP has had a longstanding commitment to making the necessary adjustments for strengthening Canada.  Carney’s advantage is his international audience, but I’m not sure that attention will be great attention.  Carney will have until the federal election to show us what he’s about.  

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yeah he was at his best last week.  Again though, Trudeau has done a lot of damage to Canada and his government is at least 50% responsible for why Trump has shown so much disrespect for the Canadian PM and our sovereignty.  This wouldn’t have happened under Harper because he wouldn’t have shifted the country in such a radical left direction.  He restored the Royal in Canada’s institutions, whereas Trudeau brought you Post-National State, admiration for the Chinese dictatorship, and fascistic rhetoric towards opposition during the pandemic, not to mention the Emergencies Act and freezing of bank accounts.  Trudeau is too drunk with his own posturing and currying favour with global interests. The endless shaming of “settler colonial” Canada is perhaps irreversibly embedded in our national narrative.

Carney will use more conservative rhetoric but won’t govern much differently from Trudeau.  Only PP has had a longstanding commitment to making the necessary adjustments for strengthening Canada.  Carney’s advantage is his international audience, but I’m not sure that attention will be great attention.  Carney will have until the federal election to show us what he’s about.  

bear in mind, Mark Carney was Stephen Harper's preferred replacement for Jim Flaherty,

so the idea that the Conservative Party of Canada,

is somehow diametrically opposed to Mark Carney;  is obviously nonsense,

who is closer to Stephen Harper, is it really Pierre Poilievre ?

Poilievre wasn't even invited into Cabinet while Stephen Harper was courting Carney to be Minister of Finance

Edited March 8 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Only PP has had a longstanding commitment to making the necessary adjustments for strengthening Canada. 

with what, Axe the Tax ?

Canadians don't give a f*ck about that anymore,

Poilievre is actually in big trouble if he gets elected,

because he doesn't really have a plan for how to deal with Trump,

and Trump is not impressed by him in the slightest,

and Canada's perspective allies against Trump are not the sorts who would have any time for Poilievre,

it's really Doug Ford who is the de facto Canadian Conservative leader now,

and Doug Ford can't stand Poilievre, Ontario is not Prairie Populist land, Ontario is PC not CPC

[Zeitgeist]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

bear in mind, Mark Carney was Stephen Harper's preferred replacement for Jim Flaherty,

so the idea that the Conservative Party of Canada,

is somehow diametrically opposed to Mark Carney;  is obviously nonsense,

who is closer to Stephen Harper, is it really Pierre Poilievre ?

Poilievre wasn't even invited into Cabinet while Stephen Harper was courting Carney to be Minister of Finance

Yeah but I like the fact that PP has had to win support through the power of ideas and debate.  I think even Trudeau recognizes Poilievre’s oratory strengths.  Carney has a bit of yesterday’s man about him.  He does bring connections and reputation, which he will have a chance to apply until the election, but I don’t know if his goals are going to be the right goals for Canada.  We really need Canada First, not Davos first.  Starmer is cut from the same cloth as Carney, so again, there are opportunities for relationship-building with Britain and Europe, but I don’t know what Carney’s long term vision is for Canada except as advancing UN sustainability and ESG goals.  

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

If Carney wins the leadership race, and becomes PM, how can he keep Freeland out of the cabinet?

why would he want to ?

she's going pitbull against Donald Trump, ready to nuke the White House if she could,

enraged Canadians are clambering for that, at least 80-20 for

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yeah but I like the fact that PP has had to win support through the power of ideas and debate.  I think even Trudeau recognizes Poilievre’s oratory strengths.  Carney has a bit of yesterday’s man about him.  He does bring connections and reputation, which he will have a chance to apply until the election, but I don’t know if his goals are going to be the right goals for Canada.  We really need Canada First, not Davos first.  Starmer is cut from the same cloth as Carney, so again, there are opportunities for relationship-building with Britain and Europe, but I don’t know what Carney’s long term vision is for Canada except as advancing UN sustainability and ESG goals.  

Canada First is just adopting Donald Trump's doctrine for Canada,

bad idea, since Canada is actually dependant on liberalized trade instead

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

with what, Axe the Tax ?

Canadians don't give a f*ck about that anymore,

Poilievre is actually in big trouble if he gets elected,

because he doesn't really have a plan for how to deal with Trump,

and Trump is not impressed by him in the slightest,

and Canada's perspective allies against Trump are not the sorts who would have any time for Poilievre,

it's really Doug Ford who is the de facto Canadian Conservative leader now,

and Doug Ford can't stand Poilievre, Ontario is not Prairie Populist land, Ontario is PC not CPC

If Doug Ford spoke French he would be a fantastic PM. He’s an astute politician who comes across as genuine and strong, whether or not you support all his policies, which are basically Red Tory. I can see him being Ontario’s Premier until he retires from politics.  

Edited March 8 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

why would he want to ?

she's going pitbull against Donald Trump, ready to nuke the White House if she could,

enraged Canadians are clambering for that, at least 80-20 for

Canada First is just adopting Donald Trump's doctrine for Canada,

bad idea, since Canada is actually dependant on liberalized trade instead

We should have liberalized trade, but if our biggest trading partner becomes belligerent and we don’t have the economic development and diversity to fall back on, or the military to defend our sovereignty, we’re back where we are now.  Again, let’s see Carney in action and go from there.  

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

If Doug Ford spoke French he would be a fantastic PM.  He’s an astute politician who comes across as genuine and strong, whether or not you support all his policies, which are basically Red Tory.  I can see him being Ontario’s Premier until he retires from politics.  

I am not partisan,

I simply follow whomever is doing the best job of defending the British Crown,

Doug Ford is an Upper Canadian Loyalist, Doug Ford is a Monarchist, so we are natural allies,

Pierre Poilievre ?  I don't know, the Liberals actually seem more Monarchist than him,

give me Stephen Harper back instead methinks

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

We should have liberalized trade, but if our biggest trading partner becomes belligerent and we don’t have the economic development and diversity to fall back on, or the military to defend our sovereignty, we’re back where we are now.  Again, let’s see Carney in action and go from there.  

Canada cannot adopt a Canada First position, that is economic suicide,

Canada's only hope in the face of America First is to become more internationalist not less

[CdnFox]

43 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

you are the one who is butt hurt, obviously / shrugs

Sure kid  

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

  Again, let’s see Carney in action and go from there.  

well, Carney would be a fool to call an election right out of the gate.

the constitution does not actually demand it, and SIngh is not actually going to bring the Liberals down now,

so Carney has his window of opportunity ; just start doing the job till the end of the actual mandate in 2026

Canadians are on a war footing, ready to charge over the top when the whistle blows,

never let a crisis go to waste,

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

with what, Axe the Tax ?

Canadians don't give a f*ck about that anymore,

polling says otherwise

See you at the poll loser. 

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

polling says otherwise

See you at the poll loser. 

[Zeitgeist]

34 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I am not partisan,

I simply follow whomever is doing the best job of defending the British Crown,

Doug Ford is an Upper Canadian Loyalist, Doug Ford is a Monarchist, so we are natural allies,

Pierre Poilievre ?  I don't know, the Liberals actually seem more Monarchist than him,

give me Stephen Harper back instead methinks

Canada cannot adopt a Canada First position, that is economic suicide,

Canada's only hope in the face of America First is to become more internationalist not less

What do you mean by internationalist?   China-led developing countries?  UN Human Rights policy with regard to Indigenous?  International climate agreements and stakeholder capitalist ESG criteria?  I think Canada should be very specific and transactional in international relations and agreements. Otherwise we risk working against the interests of Canadians.  Yes to NATO; it depends to UN stuff and Davos stuff.  Multilateralism except when it’s in our interests to go it alone.  In almost all cases Canada should act in coordination with other countries, but there may be cultural or constitutional reasons for exemptions, such as allowing Indigenous to seal hunt, etc.  Sovereignty requires exceptionalism in exceptional circumstances.  

Edited March 8 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

What do you mean by internationalist? 

unlike America, Canada is totally dependant upon international trade,

Canada First,  which is just copying Donald Trump, that doesn't work for Canada,

it's never in Canada's interests to go it alone, that is not the Canadian way,

American Exceptionalism is folly for America, America does not prosper by that doctrine,

but for Canada to adopt that failing American doctrine is suicide,

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

unlike America, Canada is totally dependant upon international trade,

Canada First,  which is just copying Donald Trump, that doesn't work for Canada,

it's never in Canada's interests to go it alone, that is not the Canadian way,

American Exceptionalism is folly for America, America does not prosper by that doctrine,

but for Canada to adopt that failing American doctrine is suicide,

Chretien had it right on Canada’s international relations.  Multilateral but occasional opting out.  However to be able to do that effectively requires more hard power and economic independence than we currently have.