Nationalist Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 55 minutes ago, robosmith said: Clearly Zelenskyy has GAINED credibility by standing up to Trump and Putin. That's why the Europeans are in HIS CORNER. Duh Ceasefire is NOT peace and Zelenskyy knows that, unlike YOU. must you always be so pathetic? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: must you always be so pathetic? ^Lashes out childishly because has no LEGITIMATE REBUTTAL. The FACT is, Europeans respect Zelenskyy and NOT Baby BULLY Trump 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 minute ago, robosmith said: ^Lashes out childishly because has no LEGITIMATE REBUTTAL. The FACT is, Europeans respect Zelenskyy and NOT Baby BULLY Trump No they don't. How many Europeans do you talk to daily? I speak with several. None of them like Comic-Boy. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 8 minutes ago, Nationalist said: No they don't. How many Europeans do you talk to daily? I speak with several. None of them like Comic-Boy. You're not talking to the political leaders in the picture. Duh Your friends are likely MAGA CULT like you. 🤮 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, robosmith said: You're not talking to the political leaders in the picture. Duh Your friends are likely MAGA CULT like you. 🤮 Its the political leaders fcking everyone you dumb little sh1t. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: Its the political leaders fcking everyone you dumb little sh1t. Thanks for admitting they're fcking YOU. Admission means you like it. LMAO Quote
Nationalist Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 Just now, robosmith said: Thanks for admitting they're fcking YOU. Admission means you like it. LMAO no kidding man...you truly are a dweeb. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
WestCanMan Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 6 minutes ago, robosmith said: Of course they fight for Ukraine. What "war crimes"? Of course, Putin is WAGING A WAR CRIME, and sets that standard every time they bomb apartment buildings. Here's as leftist a POV as you'll get. They even call Trump and Fox News White Supremacists: https://www.thenation.com/article/world/azov-battalion-neo-nazi/ Azov’s tactics and ideology were exactly what you’d expect from a paramilitary element formed by neo-Nazis. Its insignia features popular neo-Nazi symbols: the Wolfsangel (a runic double hook) and the Sonnenrad (sun wheel). Since then, the unit has become infamous for torture and for its aggressive recruitment of white supremacists from around the globe. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment The unit was initially formed as a volunteer group in May 2014 out of the ultra-nationalist Patriot of Ukraine gang, and the neo-Nazi Social National Assembly (SNA) group. Both groups engaged in xenophobic and neo-Nazi ideals and physically assaulted migrants, the Roma community and people opposing their views. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/10/un-commission-has-found-array-war-crimes-violations-human-rights-and Ukrainian forces have also committed international humanitarian law violations in some cases, including two incidents that qualify as war crimes. https://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604 Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing 'ISIS-Style' War Crimes https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/09/ukraine-must-stop-ongoing-abuses-and-war-crimes-pro-ukrainian-volunteer-forces/ History is being scrubbed of info about the Azovs and their Nazi ties, but the info is still out there: For seven years, Western institutions have warned about Ukraine’s Azov Movement, which began as a neo-Nazi paramilitary group in 2014 and became notorious for its worldwide recruitment of extremists. Then came Russia’s invasion. Within months, Azov fighters were being feted in Congress and at Stanford University. MSNBC swooned over a Ukrainian soldier whose Twitter account overflowed with neo-Nazi images. Facebook made the stunning decision to allow posts praising the Azov Battalion, even though the company admitted that it was a hate group. This overnight normalization of white supremacy was possible because Western institutions, driven by a zeal to ignore anything negative about our Ukrainian allies, decided that a neo-Nazi military formation in a war-torn nation had suddenly and miraculously stopped being neo-Nazi. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
robosmith Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Here's as leftist a POV as you'll get. They even call Trump and Fox News White Supremacists: https://www.thenation.com/article/world/azov-battalion-neo-nazi/ Azov’s tactics and ideology were exactly what you’d expect from a paramilitary element formed by neo-Nazis. Its insignia features popular neo-Nazi symbols: the Wolfsangel (a runic double hook) and the Sonnenrad (sun wheel). Since then, the unit has become infamous for torture and for its aggressive recruitment of white supremacists from around the globe. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment The unit was initially formed as a volunteer group in May 2014 out of the ultra-nationalist Patriot of Ukraine gang, and the neo-Nazi Social National Assembly (SNA) group. Both groups engaged in xenophobic and neo-Nazi ideals and physically assaulted migrants, the Roma community and people opposing their views. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/10/un-commission-has-found-array-war-crimes-violations-human-rights-and Ukrainian forces have also committed international humanitarian law violations in some cases, including two incidents that qualify as war crimes. https://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604 Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing 'ISIS-Style' War Crimes https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/09/ukraine-must-stop-ongoing-abuses-and-war-crimes-pro-ukrainian-volunteer-forces/ History is being scrubbed of info about the Azovs and their Nazi ties, but the info is still out there: For seven years, Western institutions have warned about Ukraine’s Azov Movement, which began as a neo-Nazi paramilitary group in 2014 and became notorious for its worldwide recruitment of extremists. Then came Russia’s invasion. Within months, Azov fighters were being feted in Congress and at Stanford University. MSNBC swooned over a Ukrainian soldier whose Twitter account overflowed with neo-Nazi images. Facebook made the stunning decision to allow posts praising the Azov Battalion, even though the company admitted that it was a hate group. This overnight normalization of white supremacy was possible because Western institutions, driven by a zeal to ignore anything negative about our Ukrainian allies, decided that a neo-Nazi military formation in a war-torn nation had suddenly and miraculously stopped being neo-Nazi. Your MSNBC cite is ALL ABOUT RUSSIAN WAR CRIMES. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 3 hours ago, Nationalist said: 1. Should we just shrug and accept that NATO has no business in this war? 2. Should we just shrug and ignore that NATO and the USA provoked this war? 3. As far as I'm concerned...and indeed all the Euros in my family and friends overseas...the EU and NATO are cancers on the population. 1. No but the UN cares and we usually protest such things if not take military action. 2. I mostly hear that argument from hardcore Marxists, so... I don't think it's real. 3. A defense treaty that the West created to protect us from invasion is a cancer ? The metaphor doesn't make sense, even... 3 hours ago, User said: Trump is trying to negotiate peace. Are you not interested in that? It's not clear to me that he is. If peace comes out of it, then great. But I don't think his methods are sound in either case. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Aristides Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 Trump's abuse of Zelensky has finally woken Europe up. Yes Starmer says the US must be part of it but it is a giant up yours when it comes to a Trump and Putin show. The message to Trump is, Europe will be involved in any peace talks and so will Ukraine, otherwise Europe will continue to increase support for Ukraine. 2 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. No but the UN cares and we usually protest such things if not take military action. 2. I mostly hear that argument from hardcore Marxists, so... I don't think it's real. 3. A defense treaty that the West created to protect us from invasion is a cancer ? The metaphor doesn't make sense, even... It's not clear to me that he is. If peace comes out of it, then great. But I don't think his methods are sound in either case. 1. Oh really? And how's that been working out for "us"? 2. You've got some strange associates then. Try finding out the actual events leading up to the war. Its always good to be in the know... 3.Defence from what? The dreaded USSR? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: It's not clear to me that he is. If peace comes out of it, then great. But I don't think his methods are sound in either case. You claimed there was not clear messaging. The point was that there is a clear message. What you think of his motives or efforts is irrelevant to that fact. 18 minutes ago, Aristides said: Trump's abuse of Zelensky has finally woken Europe up. Yes Starmer says the US must be part of it but it is a giant up yours when it comes to a Trump and Putin show. The message to Trump is, Europe will be involved in any peace talks and so will Ukraine, otherwise Europe will continue to increase support for Ukraine. LOL, so 3 years of Putin abusing him, slaughtering Ukrainians... that was not enough. It was because Trump was mean to him in a meeting? Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 16 minutes ago, Aristides said: Trump's abuse of Zelensky has finally woken Europe up. Yes Starmer says the US must be part of it but it is a giant up yours when it comes to a Trump and Putin show. The message to Trump is, Europe will be involved in any peace talks and so will Ukraine, otherwise Europe will continue to increase support for Ukraine. This isn't a bad development for the Americans who wanted the proxy war because it's still going on, just without American money. This isn't a bad development for Russia, because they definitely look like the party that's in favour of peace now, and because the Ukrainian army loses ground every day. Also, foreign troops that were considering helping Russia can now do so without fear that America will increase their involvement. And don't underestimate the affect that Zelenski refusing a ceasefire has on troops that want the war to end: this could clearly be over right now but Zelensky is keeping the war going. I don't see any strategic gains for Ukraine coming from this, and the Europeans aren't going to benefit from going against Trump either. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Aristides Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 7 minutes ago, User said: LOL, so 3 years of Putin abusing him, slaughtering Ukrainians... that was not enough. It was because Trump was mean to him in a meeting? LOL yourself, 3 years of Ukraine fighting a country 4 times its size to a standstill. If that doesn't tell you something about Ukrainians, nothing ever will. Trump was being the azzhole, Zelensky was sticking up for his country. Quote
Matthew Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 6 hours ago, User said: How are we allying with Russia, North Korea, and German neo-Nazis? 5 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Sorry, that's just stupid on so many levels. brokering peace isn't "allying" with Russia this has nothing to do with NoKo there are basically zero Germans involved on either side, that's a weird insert into the topic the neo-Nazis involved in the war - the Azovs - fight for Ukraine. 1. Siding with Russia, conceding all of their demands immediately, parroting their propaganda, and denegrating their president, and making colonial style resource demands as a condition for an overwhelmingly pro-Russia surrender by Ukraine. 2. On Feb 24th, the US voted in the UN against a resolution condemning Russian agression, together with North Korea, Russia, Sudan, Haiti, and several other shitty countries. 3 & 4. On Feb 14th Vance met with Germany's AfD leader and also gave a speech implying that the German limits against neo-nazis hate speech are a bigger threat to Europe than Russia. Quote
User Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: LOL yourself, 3 years of Ukraine fighting a country 4 times its size to a standstill. If that doesn't tell you something about Ukrainians, nothing ever will. Trump was being the azzhole, Zelensky was sticking up for his country. Yeah, they fought Russia with weapons Trump provided them. The point here, is that your analysis is silly nonsense, that for 3 years Europe could have done more, but they didn't while Russia has been slowly grinding Ukraine down, killing hundreds of thousands... and now because Trump was mean in a meeting, now they will do more! 1 minute ago, Matthew said: 2. On Feb 24th, the US voted in the UN against a resolution condemning Russian agression, together with North Korea, Russia, Sudan, Haiti, and several other shitty countries. So... Ukraine was just as much an "ally" of Russia too! Since they voted with them against Israel while Russia was at war with them. Your point is meaningless. Quote
Aristides Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: This isn't a bad development for the Americans who wanted the proxy war because it's still going on, just without American money. This isn't a bad development for Russia, because they definitely look like the party that's in favour of peace now, and because the Ukrainian army loses ground every day. Also, foreign troops that were considering helping Russia can now do so without fear that America will increase their involvement. And don't underestimate the affect that Zelenski refusing a ceasefire has on troops that want the war to end: this could clearly be over right now but Zelensky is keeping the war going. I don't see any strategic gains for Ukraine coming from this, and the Europeans aren't going to benefit from going against Trump either. Fvck off with you proxy wall bullsh!t, The Ukrainian people are fighting for their existence as a country and all you do is show contempt for them and support the criminal who is trying to take their country. There are no western troops fighting in Ukraine but there have been North Korean troops fighting with Russia for some time but I guess you are a big fan of Fat Kim as well. 1 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Matthew said: 1. Siding with Russia, conceding all of their demands immediately, parroting their propaganda, and denegrating their president, and making colonial style resource demands as a condition for an overwhelmingly pro-Russia surrender by Ukraine. Siding with peace. AKA ending the proxy war. Quote 2. On Feb 24th, the US voted in the UN against a resolution condemning Russian agression, together with North Korea, Russia, Sudan, Haiti, and several other shitty countries. The Dems are gone, leftardedness is on its way out. Quote 3 & 4. On Feb 14th Vance met with Germany's AfD leader and also gave a speech implying that the German limits against neo-nazis hate speech are a bigger threat to Europe than Russia. Just like Hamas supporters have free speech here and in Europe, dummy. Who would know about Hamas's haters in Canada and the US if we didn't let them walk around chanting "Death to America", "From the river to the sea", etc? Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Edited March 3 by WestCanMan Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Aristides Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 23 minutes ago, User said: Yeah, they fought Russia with weapons Trump provided them. The point here, is that your analysis is silly nonsense, that for 3 years Europe could have done more, but they didn't while Russia has been slowly grinding Ukraine down, killing hundreds of thousands... and now because Trump was mean in a meeting, now they will do more! So... Ukraine was just as much an "ally" of Russia too! Since they voted with them against Israel while Russia was at war with them. Your point is meaningless. 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 22 minutes ago, Aristides said: Fvck off with you proxy wall bullsh!t, The Ukrainian people are fighting for their existence as a country and all you do is show contempt for them and support the criminal who is trying to take their country. There are no western troops fighting in Ukraine but there have been North Korean troops fighting with Russia for some time but I guess you are a big fan of Fat Kim as well. Look up the definition of a proxy war you dipshit. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Aristides Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 (edited) 1 minute ago, WestCanMan said: Look up the definition of a proxy war you dipshit. Russia invaded Ukraine you dipshit. One thing you do have right, Europe now realizes they are at war with Russia from a logistical point of view and they understand that if Ukraine goes down, one of them will be next. Edited March 3 by Aristides 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 minute ago, Aristides said: Russia invaded Ukraine you dipshit. And if they didn't, Ukraine would be in NATO right now. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
User Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: You claimed she was some real leader... not that Europe spent more than the US in total. Quote
Aristides Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 (edited) 4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: And if they didn't, Ukraine would be in NATO right now. If Ukraine had been part of NATO, there would have been no war. Why the F do you think Finland and Sweden joined. Edited March 3 by Aristides 1 Quote
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