A raw unfiltered look at Israel's enemy

[User]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

When I try to get you to get to the before you refuse to go back any further than Oct 7.

Reconciliation requires acknowledgement of the past and without which there will never be an after. Just more death and destruction.

Here you go again. Trying to defend and justify Hamas rape, murder, hostage taking…

 

[eyeball]

15 minutes ago, User said:

Here you go again. Trying to defend and justify Hamas rape, murder, hostage taking…

And the wheels on the bus go round and round.

Enjoy your...after.

[User]

47 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And the wheels on the bus go round and round.

Enjoy your...after.

Once again you prove you are just fine with Hamas. 

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, User said:

Once again you prove you are just fine with Hamas. 

Meh. I give as much of a shit for Hamas as I do for Israel's government. They're co-joined twins perfectly matched for one another.

If you've seen one religious conservative you've seen them all.

[User]

53 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Meh. I give as much of a shit for Hamas as I do for Israel's government. They're co-joined twins perfectly matched for one another.

If you've seen one religious conservative you've seen them all.

You spend an awful lot of time defending Hamas and justifying them as well as their terrorism. 

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, User said:

You spend an awful lot of time defending Hamas and justifying them as well as their terrorism. 

Actually I don't spend any time doing that at all. You just can't abide anything that doesn't unequivocally support bombing and starving Palestinian kids to death by the thousands.

[User]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Actually I don't spend any time doing that at all. You just can't abide anything that doesn't unequivocally support bombing and starving Palestinian kids to death by the thousands.

It’s urban warfare. The IDF is doing a better job than any military power ever has in going out of their way to avoid civilian deaths.

 

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, User said:

It’s urban warfare. The IDF is doing a better job than any military power ever has in going out of their way to avoid civilian deaths.

This is the new standard for civilized unban warfare? It appears the world is looking increasingly doubtful and disgusted.

Between the BBQs people had when celebrating Gazan bombardment and Palestinian kids who look like Auschwitz victims - whatever empathy the IDF and Israel are trying to communicate simply isn't coming thru at all.

The hatred many Israelis and their supporters have for Palestinians is as palpable as it is obvious.

[User]

37 minutes ago, eyeball said:

This is the new standard for civilized unban warfare? It appears the world is looking increasingly doubtful and disgusted.

Between the BBQs people had when celebrating Gazan bombardment and Palestinian kids who look like Auschwitz victims - whatever empathy the IDF and Israel are trying to communicate simply isn't coming thru at all.

The hatred many Israelis and their supporters have for Palestinians is as palpable as it is obvious.

You are a propagandist against Israel, I don't expect you to be honest about anything they are doing. 

 

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, User said:

You are a propagandist against Israel, I don't expect you to be honest about anything they are doing.

So was Einstein if that's the case so I'm in some pretty good company.

[User]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

So was Einstein if that's the case so I'm in some pretty good company.

Sure... and Einstein liked to play with jigsaw puzzles, me too! I might as well be credited with discovering the theory of relativity, too! He and I were that close, two peas in a pod!

 

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, User said:

Sure... and Einstein liked to play with jigsaw puzzles, me too! I might as well be credited with discovering the theory of relativity, too! He and I were that close, two peas in a pod!

What do you have in common with these self-loathing Jews?

There is a long tradition among prominent Jewish figures opposing the Israeli state, who found themselves, like Isaac Asimov, “in the odd position of not being a Zionist”.

https://www.stopwar.org.uk/article/from-albert-einstein-to-noam-chomsky-famous-jews-who-have-opposed-israel/

[SpankyMcFarland]

In the early 20th century, Russian Jews were desperate for a refuge from the pogroms that followed the assassination of Tsar Alexander in 1881, an event that had nothing to do with them. Jews in other European countries also suffered from the scourge of antisemitism. Britain closed its own doors to them in 1905 but opened up Palestine in 1917, profoundly altering the ethnic balance of the population. Conflict was difficult to avoid after that. 

[Michael Hardner]

On 2/21/2025 at 4:49 PM, carepov said:

does this news surprise you?  Does it affect the way that you see this war?

Pretty much everyone I know takes no side on this.  I'm not surprised by any of the news I have read on this war, the only thing that surprised me is that Israel didn't anticipate the initial attack.

[SpankyMcFarland]

The basic take home message is that humans are naturally disposed to tribal warfare. It’s been popular with us since we appeared as a species. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The basic take home message is that humans are naturally disposed to tribal warfare. It’s been popular with us since we appeared as a species. 

The tough thing to assess is whether social progress is a thing.

I have seen some make the case that we are more violent than in the past but any message on those themes is imbued in a political light.

[carepov]

28 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Pretty much everyone I know takes no side on this.  I'm not surprised by any of the news I have read on this war, the only thing that surprised me is that Israel didn't anticipate the initial attack.

 

It does not surprise you that a four and a nine month old children are kidnapped then strangled to death then their bodies were mutilated to make it appear that they died in an air strike then the puplic celebrates their death?

Where else in today's world could this happen?

[carepov]

27 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The basic take home message is that humans are naturally disposed to tribal warfare. It’s been popular with us since we appeared as a species. 

We are way more naturally disposed to peace, charity and cooperation. 

War is the exception, otherwise there would not be 8.2 billion of us alive today.

[Michael Hardner]

16 minutes ago, carepov said:

 

1. It does not surprise you that a four and a nine month old children are kidnapped then strangled to death then their bodies were mutilated to make it appear that they died in an air strike then the puplic celebrates their death?

2. Where else in today's world could this happen?

1. No.  Because I know that Hamas is a brutal and immoral death squad with no constraints whatsoever.
2. There is brutality in the world, it's sad to say.  

[TreeBeard]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The tough thing to assess is whether social progress is a thing.

Is it though?  The world is a more peaceful place than it used to be.  That can be measured. 

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, carepov said:

We are way more naturally disposed to peace, charity and cooperation. 

War is the exception, otherwise there would not be 8.2 billion of us alive today.

I like that way of looking at it.  The outliers of the species are the ones that are causing the wars.  
 

The problem may be that their effects are not commensurate with their actual numbers.  A small number of war mongers can cause a huge amount of damage. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

3 hours ago, carepov said:

We are way more naturally disposed to peace, charity and cooperation. 

War is the exception, otherwise there would not be 8.2 billion of us alive today.

We can manage life in ultra-large groups far better but the twentieth century was hardly a glowing example of resolving our differences in a non-violent way. Germany, in many ways the world’s most advanced country at the time, chose an ideology that consciously rejected peace and civilization. 

 

Edited August 27, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Is it though?  The world is a more peaceful place than it used to be.  That can be measured. 

I believe this, but have seen the opposite claim made... with evidence.  It depends on how you measure.

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Is it though?  The world is a more peaceful place than it used to be.  That can be measured. 

It's what makes the violent places stand out more.

[carepov]

15 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. No.  Because I know that Hamas is a brutal and immoral death squad with no constraints whatsoever.
2. There is brutality in the world, it's sad to say.  

Knowing this, how can you remain neutral?