User Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 3 minutes ago, Aristides said: Climb out of your FOX bubble for once. https://www.newsweek.com/germany-merz-election-chancellor-us-2035083 This guy is will be heading a right wing government and even he wants nothing to do with Trump. None of this is a fact based logical argument backing up your silly assertion. Quote
Nationalist Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 22 minutes ago, Aristides said: Climb out of your FOX hole for once. https://www.newsweek.com/germany-merz-election-chancellor-us-2035083 This guy is will be heading a right wing government and even he wants nothing to do with Trump. Is there a problem with this? YES! Germany and the rest of Europe need to learn to stand on their own 2 feet. So what? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Aristides Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 (edited) 35 minutes ago, User said: None of this is a fact based logical argument backing up your silly assertion. It is the leader of the largest country in Europe saying the US is abandoning its allies. Macron is making similar statements. https://apnews.com/article/trump-macron-ukraine-china-ec6310fca8b9a20650bbb196d48d43f9 Edited February 24 by Aristides Quote
User Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 4 minutes ago, Aristides said: It is the leader of the largest country in Europe saying the US is abandoning its allies. Macron is making similar statements. That was not your argument, that some leaders of European countries say the US is abandoning them. Also, I don't do link spamming. If there is something in there you think backs up your point, quote it. Quote
Aristides Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 24 minutes ago, User said: That was not your argument, that some leaders of European countries say the US is abandoning them. Also, I don't do link spamming. If there is something in there you think backs up your point, quote it. How about something that backs up yours for a change. How about even having a point. Quote
User Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 5 minutes ago, Aristides said: How about something that backs up yours for a change. How about even having a point. My point is simple: You are full of crap here with your baseless assertions. Quote
BeaverFever Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 On 2/22/2025 at 10:59 AM, User said: LOL, you are a Canadian? Your arguments here are even dumber than I thought. Go cry to your own government as to why they are not doing more for the Ukrainians, then. You don't like the deal America is proposing? Offer them your own. Send your own military to fight and die in Ukraine. Send them all your military equipment. How old are you? Why do you not go volunteer to fight in Ukraine? Canada does support Ukraine, dumbass. We’ve sent them billions already and Trudeau is in Ukraine right now where he just announced more aid. Canada and Europe are united against the Trump-Putin alliance. Your argument that anyone who opposes Russia’s war of conquest should go fight is stupid. Especially from a supporter of the Republican chickenhawk party that sent thousands of other people’s children to die for their Iraq invasion under their fabricated the false pretences and viciously attacked and smeared anyone who dared speak the truth about their lies Quote
Aristides Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 1 hour ago, User said: My point is simple: You are full of crap here with your baseless assertions. That isn’t a point, you too lazy to make any. Quote
BeaverFever Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 These Putin propagandists can try go spin it any way they want. There’s not a single peace activist amongst them The fact they can’t escape is that Trump’s so-called peace plan is as follows: Russia, the war’s aggressor, ends its invasion in a BETTER position than it started, gaining new resource- rich and militarily strategic conquered territory Ukraine, the war’s victim, ends the war in a WORSE position than when it started, losing valuable resource-rich territory to Russia AND giving US half of its critical mineral resources Trump has made it clear he is a Putin ally in this conflict. Quote
User Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 21 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Canada does support Ukraine, dumbass. We’ve sent them billions already and Trudeau is in Ukraine right now where he just announced more aid. Canada and Europe are united against the Trump-Putin alliance. Clearly not enough. You guys are here arguing how vital this war is... yet you give them a pittance. You are not sending your military to fight it. You have plenty more equipment you could give. You could have spun up more munitions production by now. Are you going to just sit here and watch Russia grind them down for years to come... is that your big plan? 22 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Your argument that anyone who opposes Russia’s war of conquest should go fight is stupid. Especially from a supporter of the Republican chickenhawk party that sent thousands of other people’s children to die for their Iraq invasion under their fabricated the false pretences and viciously attacked and smeared anyone who dared speak the truth about their lies That is not my argument, it was a question. One to point out that if this war is so important to you personally... well, what are you doing? Quote
Aristides Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 1 hour ago, User said: My point is simple: You are full of crap here with your baseless assertions. I’m not making them, the leaders of Germany and France are, Quote
herbie Posted February 24 Author Report Posted February 24 (edited) Tack on his f*cking blackmail. We 'gave' you aid so you owe it back, soon after his we 'gave' you the Panama canal so we can take it back. Now I;m sure most of you are old enough to remember the nonPC term for what that was called, and now such a scumbag is to be admired? How about the fact they've not announced as single concession Russia needs to make to achieve peace? The Bronze Bozo won't stand up to Putin not out of cowardice but out of envy. He is jealous of the criminal dictatorship Putin's achieved and desires his own. Edited February 24 by herbie Quote
User Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 18 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: These Putin propagandists can try go spin it any way they want. There’s not a single peace activist amongst them The fact they can’t escape is that Trump’s so-called peace plan is as follows: Russia, the war’s aggressor, ends its invasion in a BETTER position than it started, gaining new resource- rich and militarily strategic conquered territory Ukraine, the war’s victim, ends the war in a WORSE position than when it started, losing valuable resource-rich territory to Russia AND giving US half of its critical mineral resources Trump has made it clear he is a Putin ally in this conflict. I am no Putin apologist. My argument is quite clear: Who are you to demand we pick up the tab for this forever? What is your plan here, that we just dump billions into Ukraine forever while we watch Russia slowly grind them down? You and your country are free to do something different. Go for it. You don't want peace? You want to fight Russia forever, then go ahead and send more of your own money, send more of your own equipment, or really pony up and send your military. Quote
User Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 11 minutes ago, Aristides said: I’m not making them, the leaders of Germany and France are, So you say... show me the quotes. Quote
User Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 16 minutes ago, herbie said: Tack on his f*cking blackmail. We 'gave' you aid so you owe it back, soon after his we 'gave' you the Panama canal so we can take it back. Now I;m sure most of you are old enough to remember the nonPC term for what that was called, and now such a scumbag is to be admired? How about the fact they've not announced as single concession Russia needs to make to achieve peace? The Bronze Bozo won't stand up to Putin not out of cowardice but out of envy. He is jealous of the criminal dictatorship Putin's achieved and desires his own. Make a better deal. Trump is making Ukraine an economic partner, which means we will have a vested interest in them moving forward and we are not going to do all this for free. This is a fair deal. If you don't like it, Canada is free to partner up with Europe and propose an alternative. Your plan is to just keep sinking just enough money into Ukraine to let Russia grind them down for years to come... so, if Ukraine likes that plan, go with that then. Quote
herbie Posted February 25 Author Report Posted February 25 4 hours ago, User said: Canada is free to partner up with Europe Now that the USA has proven itself to be completely untrustworthy we already have. Simple minded epitome of a capitalist pig running your country thinks he can make decisions for other countries. Quote
BeaverFever Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 4 hours ago, User said: You guys are here arguing how vital this war is... yet you give them a pittance. You are not sending your military to fight it. You have plenty more equipment you could give. You could have spun up more munitions production by now. Are you going to just sit here and watch Russia grind them down for years to come... is that your big plan? We don’t give them a pittance and we don’t have plenty more. And we are spinning up munition production Or have you not been paying attention? Seriously, don’t talk about things you clearly know nothing about. Remember your Dear Leader is constantly b1tching about how small our militaries are. And now that the China-Russia-Iran-North Korea alliance has Trump as an accomplice, the rest of the free world has even less military equipment to spare. 4 hours ago, User said: That is not my argument, it was a question. One to point out that if this war is so important to you personally... well, what are you doing? Still a stupid question. Why do I personally have to do anything? What are YOU personally doing to stop fentanyl and kiddie porn and Islamist terrorism? Nothing you hypocrite? 4 hours ago, User said: I am no Putin apologist Trump is and you’re a Trump apolgist 4 hours ago, User said: Who are you to demand we pick up the tab for this forever? What is your plan here, that we just dump billions into Ukraine forever while we watch Russia slowly grind them down? You and your country are free to do something different. Go for it. You don't want peace? You want to fight Russia forever, then go ahead and send more of your own money, send more of your own equipment, or really pony up and send your military. 1) Russia doesn’t have infinite resources, it won’t go on forever might have already ended had Republicans not frozen funding for months on end and allowed Russia time to recover 2)would you have made these same arguments about Hitler in 1939? The bottom line is Trump only wants a “peace” that strengthens Russia and weakens Ukraine. Trump is not a neutral third party he’s clearly on Putin’s side. And therefore so are you. Quote
BeaverFever Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 4 hours ago, User said: Trump is making Ukraine an economic partner, which means we will have a vested interest in them moving forward and we are not going to do all this for free. LMAO you’re mindlessly parroting his lies. He’s not making them an “economic partner”, he’s trying to exploit them and plunder their resources. He has no interest in “moving them forward” he is shaking them down like a mobster. He wants to liquidate their assets and give the remainder to Putin Quote
User Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 2 hours ago, herbie said: Now that the USA has proven itself to be completely untrustworthy we already have. Simple minded epitome of a capitalist pig running your country thinks he can make decisions for other countries. Then why are you here crying still? Ukraine has won! Victory will be at hand. You have secured them the money and military forces they need to push Russia back to the pre-2014 borders and even out of Crimea too! 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: LMAO you’re mindlessly parroting his lies. He’s not making them an “economic partner”, he’s trying to exploit them and plunder their resources. He has no interest in “moving them forward” he is shaking them down like a mobster. He wants to liquidate their assets and give the remainder to Putin Then make them a better deal. Go on. Nothing stopping you and Europe from pouring more of your own treasury into this. Quote
User Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: We don’t give them a pittance and we don’t have plenty more. And we are spinning up munition production Or have you not been paying attention? Seriously, don’t talk about things you clearly know nothing about. Remember your Dear Leader is constantly b1tching about how small our militaries are. And now that the China-Russia-Iran-North Korea alliance has Trump as an accomplice, the rest of the free world has even less military equipment to spare. You do give them a pittance. You guys have a budget of over 500 Billion a year. You have given Ukraine about 1% of that a year. You have all kinds of money you can be spending on this... or going into debt spending. If this is such a crisis, why does your country not sacrifice more? I know that the US has been spinning up more munitions factories... but what has Canada been doing for the last 3 years if this war is so important to you? Your military is small... but you still have equipment you can give to Ukraine. 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: Still a stupid question. Why do I personally have to do anything? What are YOU personally doing to stop fentanyl and kiddie porn and Islamist terrorism? Nothing you hypocrite? You are making this war one of a moral necessity... yet you sacrifice nothing. How much of your own personal income have you given to Ukraine? 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: 1) Russia doesn’t have infinite resources, it won’t go on forever might have already ended had Republicans not frozen funding for months on end and allowed Russia time to recover 2)would you have made these same arguments about Hitler in 1939? The bottom line is Trump only wants a “peace” that strengthens Russia and weakens Ukraine. Trump is not a neutral third party he’s clearly on Putin’s side. And therefore so are you. Why did Canada allow Russia time to recover? Why is Canada not doing more to stop Hitler right now? The bottom line is that nothing is stopping Canada and Europe from doing more or offering a better deal instead of crying that Trump wants peace. Quote
BeaverFever Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 US joins North Korea, Russia and Belarus at UN in refusing to blame Putin for Ukraine war US president Donald Trump also refused to call Russian president Vladimir Putin a dictator https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/us-north-korea-russia-belarus-un-vote-b2703910.html Quote
BeaverFever Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 22 minutes ago, User said: You do give them a pittance. You guys have a budget of over 500 Billion a year. You have given Ukraine about 1% of that a year. You have all kinds of money you can be spending on this... or going into debt spending. If this is such a crisis, why does your country not sacrifice more? I know that the US has been spinning up more munitions factories... but what has Canada been doing for the last 3 years if this war is so important to you? Your military is small... but you still have equipment you can give to Ukraine. Well now that USA has switched sides we will need to step up but if you knew anything about the Canadian military you would know we don’t have equipment to spare. We don’t even have enough equipment for our own military. We have also massively spun up munitions production and factories We have donated $20Billion since 2022 The allies can’t donate more than Ukraine can absorb We give what we can the Canadian government still has obligations to Canadians and countless domestic issues to deal with. You keep making all these really stupid arguments it’s like when conservatives try to claim anyone who is opposed to pollution is hypocrite if they use electricity. 31 minutes ago, User said: You are making this war one of a moral necessity... yet you sacrifice nothing. How much of your own personal income have you given to Ukraine? Still sticking with the stupid eh? How much of YOUR personal income do you donate to your moral causes? Or do you not have morals? Like your argument is dumb: if Im not personally supporting a global issue then the worlds greatest superpower shouldn’t either? How much did you donate to fight al Qaeda? Must mean you don’t think the US should have either? 34 minutes ago, User said: Why did Canada allow Russia time to recover? Why is Canada not doing more to stop Hitler right now? The bottom line is that nothing is stopping Canada and Europe from doing more or offering a better deal instead of crying that Trump wants peace. Canada didn’t pause its aid to Ukraine, only the Putin loving republicans did Canada declared war against Hitler in 1939, more than 2 years before Nazi-admiring Republicans got on board and USA finally joined the war. And before that Canadian leftist groups were fighting Hitler’s forces in the Spanish civil war as early as 1936 only 3 years after Republican Nazi admirers had plotted a coup attempt against FDR Canada and Europe will do more. And Trump doesn’t want peace, he wants a beneficial outcome for Russia. If he wanted peace he would negotiate a Russian withdrawal not a Ukrainian surrender. Quote
herbie Posted February 25 Author Report Posted February 25 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: US joins North Korea, Russia and Belarus at UN in refusing to blame Putin for Ukraine war The contemporary Gang of Four. Hell if they'donly boot Iran out, Trump would proudly join the Axis of Evil too! Quote
User Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 8 minutes ago, herbie said: The contemporary Gang of Four. Hell if they'donly boot Iran out, Trump would proudly join the Axis of Evil too! You guys were all on their side when it came to Resolutions against Israel. LOL Quote
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