From "village !diot" to a traitor: Trump moves to interfere with sanctions against Putin's oligarchs

[myata]

Reuters:  Trump administration disbands task force targeting Russian oligarchs

To drop all pretenses and keep no illusions: this is material, de facto help to the worst criminal aggressor in Europe since Hitler.

Hidden behind the barrage of chaos: but no one can claim just an innocent coincidence. It has begun.

Ask yourselves: if Vlad's buddies or/and puppets will come to control America, would it stop in Ukraine? Where would this world end, and we aren't even talking global warming next century but in several years (1933 - 1939)?

The Republicans who acquitted the criminal are either quislings or traitors. No innocence, a century on and in such matters. They completely and cheerfully abandoned their constitutional duty to the country and the people and will be despised and regarded with dismay and contempt by generations. No coming back from this shame.

The regular folk who fooled themselves into showing or making a point to someone somewhere repeated the same mistake as those in 1933 Germany. No games with this evil, no explanations: it will take all.

And the fate of democracy in America, never been this unclear and uncertain. No formal processes will restore the confidence, moral and leadership standing, past this point. We'll just have to see, can American society renew its commitment to democracy - or it did it end right here.

Edited February 7 by myata

[Dougie93]

Liberals are going to lecture America about "treason" in wartime ?

who is going to give the talk ?

Hanoi Jane ?

[myata]

Facts exist. They are real. Liar can lie his way ignoring or distracting from the facts of reality only with 1) the dumb 2) those who couldn't care and 3) other pathetic liars. That was the complete list.

[Black Dog]

14 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Liberals are going to lecture America about "treason" in wartime ?

who is going to give the talk ?

Hanoi Jane ?

Based Jane Fonda.

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Based Jane Fonda.

 supporting the Russians in an actual shooting war against Americans is "based" .

Noted

[myata]

Random six decades old noise. Pass on.

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, myata said:

Facts exist. They are real. Liar can lie his way ignoring or distracting from the facts of reality only with 1) the dumb 2) those who couldn't care and 3) other pathetic liars. That was the complete list.

the majority of Americans voted to end the war with Russia ASAP

democracy in action

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, myata said:

Random six decades old noise. Pass on.

what is the difference between the Democrats ending the stalemate in Vietnam

by cutting off all support for South Vietnam ?

was that the "end of American democracy" ?

[myata]

"End" doesn't mean "submit" or "appease" a fascist thug, in any American dictionary. The war with other fascism was "ended" in 1945. Which one do you use?

[myata]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

what is the difference between

One of the:

- dumb

- illiterate

- deliberately misleading

(or several simultaneously, granted)

prevents you from answering the question you threw up in the air. Which makes the discussion quite useless.

 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

One of the:

- dumb

- illiterate

- deliberately misleading

(or several simultaneously, granted)

prevents you from answering the question you threw up in the air. Which makes the discussion quite useless.

you can't make an argument as to why abandoning South Vietnam was different from abandoning Ukraine ?

that defaults the leftist position to ; "do as we say, not as we do"

[Dougie93]

14 minutes ago, myata said:

"End" doesn't mean "submit" or "appease" a fascist thug, in any American dictionary. The war with other fascism was "ended" in 1945. Which one do you use?

so you are advocating for a total war of annihilation against the Russian Federation ?

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Liberals are going to lecture America about "treason" in wartime ?

who is going to give the talk ?

Hanoi Jane ?

You have to reach back 50 years to make LAME POINT about a PRIVATE CITIZEN defending NORTH VIETNAM from US AGGRESSION. LMAO

FALSE EQUIVALENCE FOR THE LOSS.

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You have to reach back 50 years to make LAME POINT about a PRIVATE CITIZEN defending NORTH VIETNAM from US AGGRESSION. LMAO

FALSE EQUIVALENCE FOR THE LOSS.

the left in America broadly sympathized with the North Vietnamese which was a brutal totalitarian dictatorship

none the less, the left in America wanted to end the war by abandoning South Vietnam

the Russians are making the same claim on Ukraine that the North Vietnamese made on South Vietnam

it's not a real country, merely a proxy for America intended to divide & conquer

the right in America is simply adopting the same position as the left once did

Ukraine is not worth the stretch;  let's have Detente with Moscow instead

again, with the left, everything is "do as we say, not as we do"

followed by a bunch of hysterical shrieking and hurling of ad hominem 

Edited February 7 by Dougie93

[myata]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the Russians are making the same claim on Ukraine that the North Vietnamese made on South Vietnam

A liar, stupid, shameless and pathetic. The sovereign territory of Ukraine is recognized by the entire world, including Russia, in multiple signed and executed treaties before the invasion.

The conclusion: credibility of this poster down to zero and then negatives. Only a shameless boldface liar. The brand.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, myata said:

A liar, stupid, shameless and pathetic. The sovereign territory of Ukraine is recognized by the entire world, including Russia, in multiple signed and executed treaties before the invasion.

The conclusion: credibility of this poster down to zero and then negatives. Only a shameless boldface liar. The brand.

the whole world, including the Russians,  recognized the sovereign territory of South Vietnam

in the Geneva Accords of 1954

 

[robosmith]

14 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the left in America broadly sympathized with the North Vietnamese which was a brutal totalitarian dictatorship

none the less, the left in America wanted to end the war by abandoning South Vietnam

That's EXACTLY what Nixon did. Duh

14 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the Russians are making the same claim on Ukraine that the North Vietnamese made on South Vietnam

it's not a real country, merely a proxy for America intended to divide & conquer

BOTH LIED. When we went in South Vietnam and Ukraine were DEFINITELY RECOGNIZED COUNTRIES

14 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the right in America is simply adopting the same position as the left once did

The Budapest Memorandum COMMITTED the US to Ukraine's SECURITY. Duh

14 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Ukraine is not worth the stretch;  let's have Detente with Moscow instead

again, with the left, everything is "do as we say, not as we do"

followed by a bunch of hysterical shrieking and hurling of ad hominem 

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

[Dougie93]

Just now, robosmith said:

That's EXACTLY what Nixon did. Duh

no he didn't, Nixon fought hard to defend South Vietnam,

with massive bombing campaigns while supplying them with American military hardware

Nixon fought much harder for South Vietnam than Biden fought for Ukraine

it was only the Democrat Congress cutting all funding to the defence of South Vietnam in 1975

which resulted in South Vietnam being overrun

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

go ahead and shriek like unhinged lunatics ; sign of weakness

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The Budapest Memorandum COMMITTED the US to Ukraine's SECURITY. Duh

The Geneva Accords committed the US to defend South Vietnam, same same

Moscow broke the deal, backing a North Vietnamese invasion of South Vietnam

America fought the good fight, but ultimately could not break the stalemate

when the war became unpopular at home with the leftist Boomers

America cut its losses and sued for Detente with Moscow

the Domino Theory, which the left in America has revived now, was proven wrong therein

Edited February 7 by Dougie93

[myata]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

so you are advocating for a total war of annihilation against the Russian Federation ?

Ukraine was never a part of Russia in the modern time. If a psycho makes "claim" on you home does not give it any rights or standing. You either get it or you don't. And either of the two, you don't get it or you're lying and that nullifies any sense in having any serious discussion.

[Dougie93]

20 minutes ago, robosmith said:

BOTH LIED. When we went in South Vietnam and Ukraine were DEFINITELY RECOGNIZED COUNTRIES

the Democrats had four years to go all out in the defence of Ukraine

but that's not what they did

instead, the Biden Administration chose to drip feed its support to Ukraine

the Democrats were not trying to defeat the Russians

rather they adopted George Kennan's policy of Containment

only give the Ukrainians enough to keep the fight going

but not enough to actually win

the policy is not actually to save Ukraine, merely to harm Moscow

so stop with the moralizing hysteria, this is geopolitics, there are no friends, only interests

considering the effects on the global economy, particularly inflation

it is actually in America's interests now to cut a deal with Moscow to achieve an armistice

frankly, Ukraine needs the time & space to recover anyways

NATO is out of ammo, there's nothing left in the inventory to send to them

6 minutes ago, myata said:

Ukraine was never a part of Russia in the modern time. If a psycho makes "claim" on you home does not give it any rights or standing. You either get it or you don't. And either of the two, you don't get it or you're lying and that nullifies any sense in having any serious discussion.

the unhinged ranting & raving about having to fight to the last man in Ukraine

when the Democrats were not even providing that level of support to Ukraine themselves

is just another reason the Democrats lost the election

[myata]

It is true that Biden was indecisive and dithering in standing to the new hitler-style menace of our time. Sure, it's true. And in no way it can negate that what Trump is trying to pull through behind the curtain of chaos he creates fully intentionally is much, much and beyond any comparison worse: aligning, appeasing and in the next logical step, colluding with an international criminal regime. With unknown but certainly dire consequences for the entire world if Putin's aggression is normalized and shrugged off no one nowhere could feel safe. That would be a slide back all the way to the pre WWI state of the world, only with nukes this time around. Global warming may not even have a chance to catch up.

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, myata said:

Reuters:  Trump administration disbands task force targeting Russian oligarchs

 

HEY DIPSHIT, BIDEN USED THE POWER OF HIS OFFICE TO FORCE THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT TO FIRE THEIR TOP PROSECUTOR TO HELP THE CORRUPT OLIGARCH WHO GAVE HUNTER BIDEN HIS LUCRATIVE MONEY-FOR-NOTHING JOB GET HIS STUFF BACK, AND YOU DIDN'T CARE.

 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

HEY DIPSHIT, BIDEN USED THE POWER OF HIS OFFICE TO FORCE THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT TO FIRE THEIR TOP PROSECUTOR TO HELP THE CORRUPT OLIGARCH WHO GAVE HUNTER BIDEN HIS LUCRATIVE MONEY-FOR-NOTHING JOB GET HIS STUFF BACK, AND YOU DIDN'T CARE.

 

Your Putin propaganda isn't any more convincing in a giant font. 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Your Putin propaganda isn't any more convincing in a giant font. 

What part of that was "Putin propaganda"? 

1. BIDEN USED THE POWER OF HIS OFFICE
2. TO FORCE THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT TO FIRE THEIR TOP PROSECUTOR 
3. TO HELP THE CORRUPT OLIGARCH
4. WHO GAVE HUNTER BIDEN HIS LUCRATIVE MONEY-FOR-NOTHING JOB 
5. GET HIS STUFF BACK, AND 
6. YOU DIDN'T CARE.

1. Joe Biden ABSOLUTELY used his power as VP in that instance. He even bragged about it on a video that's undisputed and widely circulated. You've seen the video, Hodud. Don't try to pretend that Joe Biden didn't do what he bragged about doing.

2. Joe Biden ABSOLUTELY got Shokin fired, like I said he bragged about it. 

3. Just before Biden unilaterally got Shokin fired, by his own account, Shokin had won court orders seizing some of Zlochevsky's assets, and this is how wikipedia describes him:

• Mykola Vladyslavovych Zlochevsky (Ukrainian: Микола Владиславович Злочевський; born 14 June 1966) is a Ukrainian oil and natural gas businessman, politician, and an oligarch. Zlochevsky was Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources from July 2010 until April 2012 and was the deputy secretary for Economic and Social Security of the National Security and Defense Council from April 2012 until February 2014 when Euromaidan occurred.^[1][2][3][4] He is wanted by Ukrainian authorities for attempting to bribe the prosecutors in order to drop all charges against him.^[5] 

He epitomizes the word oligarch. He's a member of government who uses his governmental authority to help his own businesses at the expense of others, and when I say "others" that includes "his countrymen in general". If he's not an oligarch, then they need to figure out who that word actually applies to. 

So YES, ZLOCHEVSKY WAS A CORRUPT OLIGARCH, 100%, and Biden was helping Zloch by firing Shokin, because the "solid guy" that Biden "put in his place" (Joe's own words) let Zlochevsky off the hook, and he was reunited with his assets. 

• WASHINGTON — Ukrainian prosecutor-general Viktor Shokin, who was fired after then-Vice President Joe Biden threatened to pull $1 billion in US aid, was “a threat” to natural gas company Burisma Holdings, which paid Hunter Biden up to $1 million per year, the first son’s former business partner Devon Archer confirmed in an interview released Friday.

  “He was a threat. He ended up seizing assets of [Burisma owner] Nikolai [Zlochevsky] — a house, some cars, a couple properties. And Nikolai actually never went back to Ukraine after Shokin seized all of his assets,” Archer told former Fox News host Tucker Carlson.

  Shokin’s office won a court order to seize Zlochevsky’s property on Feb. 2, 2016, the Kyiv Post reported at the time. Shokin was fired on March 29, purportedly due to his own corruption.

  Archer’s remarks are significant because they contradict the position of House Democrats that Shokin was not considered a threat to Burisma — a point likely to be hotly contested if Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) launches an impeachment inquiry, as he said last week was becoming likely.

It's a matter of public record that Shokin won those court orders to seize Zloch's assets. 

It's a matter of public record that Joe Biden had him fired the next month. 

So what did the "solid guy" that Joe put in Shokin's place do to bring rogue oligarch Zlochevsky (who gave Joe's son $83k/mo?) to justice?

Just remember that when they say "prosecutors" clear Zlochevsky, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GUY THAT JOE BIDEN PUT IN SHOKIN'S PLACE!

Joe fired Shokin, who won court orders against Zlochevsky, the very next month, and the guy who Joe put in Shokin's place let Zloch off the hook. And Joe's son raked in a cool $1M per year, from Zloch's company, "in a completely unrelated coincidence" 🤣 Of all the places on earth where Hunter could have found a job, and all the people who Burisma could have hired, and all of the things that Je Biden could have been doing with his little VP wand, all of those things just happened coincidentally according to you???????? 

4. 100% accurate again... It was Zlochevsky who gifted Hunter Biden an $83k/mo job in a country where Hunter couldn't even say 5 words in the official language. In exchange, Joe Biden fired the guy who won court orders against him which had seized his assets, and the guy that Joe put in his place absolutely dropped that case against Zlochevsky. 

5. Were the charges dropped, as I said in 5, above? Quote from the earlier link:

• "He was also investigated for giving gas extraction licenses to affiliated companies – mainly ones in the Burisma Group.

  But the charges were then whittled down to a single case of tax evasion, which was settled by a Kyiv court in November, with Burisma agreeing to pay Hr 180 million. The settlement constitutes less than 20 percent of the sum discovered in Zlochevsky’s bank account in 2014."

 

6. No f'ing leftists here ever cared that Joe got Hunter that job, or that Joe Fired Shokin to help Zloch, or that the guy that Joe put in Zloch's place let him off the hook. They all plug their ears and say "LAH LAH-LAH LAH laaaaaah!"

So the fact that leftards are gonna suddenly start saying that "it's treason" for a member of the US gov't to merely end sanctions against a foreign oligarch is hypocrisy of the highest order. 

Sanctions themselves are not proof of any wrongdoing. No one was convicted of anything in order to have sanctions levelled against them, but an actual judge did see/hear evidence in a court of law and then rule against Zlochevsky to have his assets seized.