Canada Retaliates with it's Own Tariffs - Tit-for-tat isn't the answer

ExFlyer · February 4

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Doesn't matter, Canadians are in the mood for a fight. If they have to. Trump thinks everything is transactional. Sovereignty is emotional. He is used to trying to win in a business deal and doesn't understand when people are prepared to push back, even at a cost.

Trump does not want Canada...he is just blowing smoke LOL

He says things like that just to stir the pot. We Canadians are too gullible and buy all his BS LOL

suds · February 4

17 hours ago, myata said:

Yes because I have the eyes of my own, I read the history and I trust myself to judge the events when and as I see them. Whether it was intended as the thing, the Nazi salute we will never know because only one person knows it and he cannot be trusted. But yes, true it looked terribly close to that thing. This is what I saw with my eyes and this is my judgement on the matter. If you're past that ability, to see with your eyes and judge with your own brain so be it and good luck in the endeavours.

I'd say you're pretty quick to pass judgement on an individual for being a Nazi and racist by watching a 10 second clip. I've got nothing else to say to you.

suds · February 4

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Trump does not want Canada...he is just blowing smoke LOL

I thought the same thing less than a week ago. But from a U.S. national security standpoint, bringing Greenland, Canada, and Panama Canal into the U.S. fold makes perfect sense. The thing he doesn't seem to understand is Canadians.

Dougie93 · February 4

Just now, suds said:

The thing he doesn't seem to understand is Canadians.

but what do Canadians understand ?

since they are not fighting for independence from America here

quite the opposite

Canadians are fighting to be let into America to be treated like Americans

which means America has already won, nary a shot fired

NAME REMOVED · February 4

15 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Trump does not want Canada...he is just blowing smoke LOL

He says things like that just to stir the pot. We Canadians are too gullible and buy all his BS LOL

He legitimately wants Canada and Greenland, almost certainly for our natural resources. It would be foolish to believe he is joking at this point.

suds · February 4

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canadians are fighting to be let into America to be treated like Americans

That's not what the polls indicate.

Dougie93 · February 4

7 minutes ago, suds said:

That's not what the polls indicate.

Canadians are delusional, they have no sense of what they are actually fighting for

Canadians are demanding access to the US market fully integrated without tariffs

wherein American corporations are free to run Canada

while Canadians have no influence over the American government whatsoever

that's actually worse than being Puerto Rico North

Canadians are slaves to the American market,

who can't vote in America, and can't even gain residency like the Puerto Ricans

Edited February 4 by Dougie93

CdnFox · February 4

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Canadians are delusional, they have no sense of what they are actually fighting for

Canadians are demanding access to the US market fully integrated without tariffs

wherein American corporations are free to run Canada

while Canadians have no influence over the American government whatsoever

that's actually worse than the 51st State

that's actually worse than being Puerto Rice North

Canadians are slaves to the American market, who can't vote, and can't even gain residency like Puerto Ricans

Good thing you're not a Canadian then.

suds · February 4

5 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

He legitimately wants Canada and Greenland, almost certainly for our natural resources. It would be foolish to believe he is joking at this point.

Yeah that too. Natural resources would certainly fall under what I suggested as a 'U.S. national security'concern. They're doing exactly what the Chinese are doing, and after 4 years of Biden they have a lot of catching up to do. They're trying to position themselves in case war breaks out. It's called being prepared.

Dougie93 · February 5

Just now, CdnFox said:

Good thing you're not a Canadian then.

I can cross the border, right of return in either direction

vote in elections on both sides of the border

I can live and work in either jurisdiction, no restrictions

best of both worlds

and since I don't live off income, filing two tax returns is only a burden for my accountant

NAME REMOVED · February 5

6 minutes ago, suds said:

Yeah that too. Natural resources would certainly fall under what I suggested as a 'U.S. national security'concern. They're doing exactly what the Chinese are doing, and after 4 years of Biden they have a lot of catching up to do. They're trying to position themselves in case war breaks out. It's called being prepared.

Canadians are not interested in having the USA "taking over" us, "in case of war," considering a war between China and the USA will never happen.

suds · February 5

7 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Canadians are not interested in having the USA "taking over" us, "in case of war," considering a war between China and the USA will never happen.

And what makes you so sure about that?

Zeitgeist · February 5

48 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

not for the British Crown in North America tho

only for access to the American market

which means America has them right it where it wants them

Manifest Destiny

I don’t know sometimes if Canadians understand the value of being American. Yeah there’s the obvious stuff like gas being half the price in some states or being able to live in warmer places and having a stronger dollar, but a U.S. that included Canada would be something quite astonishing in world history. The economic strength of that union and the opportunities open to Canadians would be hard to fathom. What’s more, I’m not convinced that Canadian culture would be weakened, because the resources and upward mobility resulting from so much more opportunity really puts both countries on another level.

Are we spinning our wheels trying to duplicate everything just so we can say it’s different from the Yanks? Are there ways to retain what we value and ditch what we don’t?

Dougie93 · February 5

10 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Canadians are not interested in having the USA "taking over" us,

indeed, Canadians are only interested in working for America

without having the rights and prerogatives of Americans

that's the most hilarious thing about this war

Canadians are literally up in arms

demanding that America let them sell their resources to America at a discount

which Americans then export for profit to the rest of the world

and your socialist healthcare system is failing

and your gun control simply results in the criminals having guns while your are defenceless

you don't even have a right to self defence, even if you use a baseball bat against a criminal ; you will be charged

your taxes are exponentially higher, for no particular benefit

crime in Canada is becoming very American like, plenty of shootings, carjackings & home invasions

the weather in Canada is like Stalingrad for six months of the year

and you don't even believe in your own constitution ; ruled by the British Crown, tho you despise it

you're literately lower than the Puerto Ricans in the pecking order

suds · February 5

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t know sometimes if Canadians understand the value of being American. Yeah there’s the obvious stuff like gas being half the price in some states or being able to live in warmer places and having a stronger dollar, but a U.S. that included Canada would be something quite astonishing in world history. The economic strength of that union and the opportunities open to Canadians would be hard to fathom. What’s more, I’m not convinced that Canadian culture would be weakened, because the resources and upward mobility resulting from so much more opportunity really puts both countries on another level.

Are we spinning our wheels trying to duplicate everything just so we can say it’s different from the Yanks? Are there ways to retain what we value and ditch what we don’t?

It's certainly worth looking into, along with the possibility of an economic union. Or does the mere suggestion of such a thing make one a traitor?

Dougie93 · February 5

16 minutes ago, suds said:

It's certainly worth looking into, along with the possibility of an economic union. Or does the mere suggestion of such a thing make one a traitor?

America doesn't really want you

Trump was simply making a point ; if you can't handle tariffs, then you are not really an independent country

America will have your resources, by force of arms as necessary

but otherwise, what is actually in progress, is that America has begun to freeze Canada out

no offence intended, Americans like you, you are very nice people, lovely people in fact

but you are not Americans

you cannot vote in American elections

you don't believe in American freedom

so you don't actually rate in the grand scheme of things

you are simply no man's land

a contested battlefield between us and the Chinese Communists

Zeitgeist · February 5

1 hour ago, suds said:

It's certainly worth looking into, along with the possibility of an economic union. Or does the mere suggestion of such a thing make one a traitor?

Exactly. Canadians have literally been raised to fear the US and to describe Canada’s disadvantages as advantages. I think of the conversations with my mother and in classrooms growing up. That’s not to say there aren’t some Canadian advantages. Canadians generally don’t want as many guns and they like many aspects of single payer universal healthcare, Americans do spend a lot more on healthcare and they have an almost third world infant mortality rate. However. in Canada our wait times are ridiculous and we don’t have enough diagnostics or doctors. Our permissive MAID is symbolic of some of the failures of our system.

I think retaining a simple border as merely a security checkpoint and allowing the existing healthcare system in Canada to persist, as well as our cheap generic drugs, would work well if patients also have the option to pay more to access private clinics, which would reduce some costs of our system. It would allow a layer of added state gun control to persist as long as Canadians want it. Otherwise I think full U.S. citizenship and adoption of the U.S. dollar and statehood would be hugely beneficial to Canada and what would become the Rest of America.

There would have to be minimum length of residency rules to obtain our healthcare for Americans living in Canada to keep it affordable, unless the Americans could duplicate the same universal access that Canadians have. Perhaps Americans could get our pharmaceuticals at exactly what we pay under new agreements. Many of the kinks are easily ironed out. The benefits of a massively wealthy newly expanded country and the synergies of the combined economies would be staggering.

Edited February 5 by Zeitgeist

Aristides · February 5

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Trump does not want Canada...he is just blowing smoke LOL

He says things like that just to stir the pot. We Canadians are too gullible and buy all his BS LOL

Well it is going to cost US companies money, people are cancelling US travel and boycotting American products and businesses.

Dougie93 · February 5

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Otherwise I think full U.S. citizenship and adoption of the U.S. dollar and statehood would be hugely beneficial to Canada and what would become the Rest of America.

the American republic will never accept forty million people who recoil from American freedom

the British Crown in North America will never submit to republican rule

culture is destiny

Dougie93 · February 5

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Well it is going to cost US companies money, people are cancelling US travel and boycotting American products and businesses.

by those means, Canadians will become totally irrelevant to Americans, not worth paying any attention to

see how that works out for you

Dougie93 · February 5

28 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canadians have literally been raised to fear the US and to describe Canada’s disadvantages as advantages.

furthermore, Canadians have a vastly inflated sense of their own importance

like Canadians think they are going to leverage America by Canadians throwing their teddy in the corner ?

Canadians are going to give Americans the cold shoulder, as punishment for America ?

when Americans barely take any notice of Canada's existence ; Canada's whole problem in the first place

Canadians are going to be hostile to Americans now ?

imagine how that would backfire

when Americans take it personally and pay Canada back in kind

if Americans decide to boycott Canada, that would be a forever recession in Canada

CdnFox · February 5

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

I can cross the border,

So can an illegal Mexican.

Dougie93 · February 5

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So can an illegal Mexican.

except I have an American passport

although I'd probably hire that Mexican to be my gardener

heck, I've hired a Syrian refugee to be my gardener here in Canada, and he does a great job

CdnFox · February 5

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

except I have an American passport

Good, go be an American we don't want you here. People like you bring shame to our country

And frankly I don't think you'd be good enough for the Mexican to hire never mind the other way around

Zeitgeist · February 5

38 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the American republic will never accept forty million people who recoil from American freedom

the British Crown in North America will never submit to republican rule

culture is destiny

You may be right, and I don’t think that’s a good thing. There has to be a way to increase opportunities for the citizens of both countries by combining resources, land, and citizens while reducing duplication costs, yet allowing for the distinct non-negotiables for both countries to persist. Republican, Democrat, Liberal or Conservative brands don’t matter as much as compelling figures and ideas. There’s always the option of keeping the countries as distinct sovereign entities but allowing the free movement of goods, services, and people. Leave out voting rights if you’re living in your non-native country. The problem with that option is that the Yanks could pull the rug out from us at any time, whereas if we’re all citizens of the same country, we can’t be at the mercy of tariffs or other U.S. vicissitudes.

Edited February 5 by Zeitgeist