Aristides Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 (edited) 10 minutes ago, suds said: So what you're saying is the U.S. subsidizes it's agriculture but Canada does not? Is that about right? I'll let you prove it as I've no intention in wasting my time proving vague generalities. As for Canadian telecom operators operating in the U.S. ...... Bell last Nov. just invested heavily buying Ziply Fibre (the leading fibre provider in U.S. Pacific Northwest) for $5 billion USD. It's hoping to accelerate subscriber and revenue growth, but it's stock took a huge hit and has never rebounded. As for the Banking Act, I doubt the idea is to get rid of the Act altogether just certain parts of it that make it difficult for U.S. banks to get a foothold in Canada. As for Canadian Airlines 'protectionalist measures' I've no idea on what these measures are but the U.S. obviously is finding them to be an irritant. So I'm going to spend about as much time on this one as you have likely <60 seconds. Supply management is to ensure farmers get a price for their product that allows the to stay in business without subsidies. User pay. I don't know about Ziply. Citibank, PNC, JP Morgan and Coamerica operate banks in Canada. I suspect our regulations are more of a deterrent than actually restricting operations. Not cowboy and indian enough for them. I don't care if they find airlines an irritant, their regulations regarding foreign airlines are more restrictive than ours. You can't grant their airlines permission to fly domestic in Canada unless they grant the same privileges to ours, and they won't. Edited January 28 by Aristides Quote
eyeball Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 The world needs someone to set Trump straight. Either that or put a bullet in his head. Oh, like I'm the only guy who's thinking that? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: People in these countries apparently see Trump's tariffs as being more like gunships blasting their way into our markets. Woke Progressive leftist enemies of America getting exactly what they deserve Quote
CdnFox Posted January 28 Author Report Posted January 28 1 minute ago, eyeball said: The world needs someone to set Trump straight Either that or put a bullet in his head. Oh, like I'm the only guy who's thinking that? I'm sure you're not. The left is mostly based in hatred and violence these days and the thought of killing someone they don't like is probably pretty common amongst that group Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
suds Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 7 minutes ago, Aristides said: Supply management is to ensure farmers get a price for their product that allows the to stay in business without subsidies. User pay. I don't know about Ziply. Citibank, PNC, JP Morgan and Coamerica operate banks in Canada. I suspect our regulations are more of a deterrent than actually restricting operations. Not cowboy and indian enough for them. I don't care if they find airlines an irritant, their regulations regarding foreign airlines are more restrictive than ours. You can't grant their airlines permission to fly domestic in Canada unless they grant the same privileges to ours, and they won't. I know what supply management is. I've been against it, for it, and right about now I would question if it's worth saving if it's going to cause 25% tariffs across the board on all Canadian exports. Of course the farmers would have to be fairly compensated. As for the rest of it, you can get general information on the USTR Report website but for fine detailed information you need a paid subscription. So blather on all you want but don't expect any replies. Quote
Aristides Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 (edited) 4 minutes ago, suds said: I know what supply management is. I've been against it, for it, and right about now I would question if it's worth saving if it's going to cause 25% tariffs across the board on all Canadian exports. Of course the farmers would have to be fairly compensated. As for the rest of it, you can get general information on the USTR Report website but for fine detailed information you need a paid subscription. So blather on all you want but don't expect any replies. How would you fairly compensate them for giving their businesses to subsidized foreign companies?You even want to give our ability to feed ourselves to the US. Pathetic. Oh, a USTR report, I'm sure that's not one sided.😂 Edited January 29 by Aristides Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 13 minutes ago, eyeball said: Either that or put a bullet in his head. Oh, like I'm the only guy who's thinking that? cope seething leftist impotence ftw Quote
suds Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 25 minutes ago, eyeball said: People in these countries apparently see Trump's tariffs as being more like gunships blasting their way into our markets. Absolutely. What they expect may happen on Feb 1, is that Trump may begin with a 2% export tariff, and then increase the tariff another 2% on each subsequent month until some kind of agreement is reached. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 28 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The problem is trump didn't say that. It might have been one thing if he'd come and said here is my list, these things must be corrected specifically or else we will take action. That would still be really bad diplomacy but at least it would be usable. Instead he's given some vague concerns about the border, called us really terrible horrible evil unfair trade partners without any details other than they buy more from us than we buy from them which is the same deal he has with the grocery store, And mentioned our border security sucks. That's not legitimate. What he's hoping is that we will run around like crazy to try and make him happy and guess what he wants and give him everything that we guess that he wants and then after that he will sit down and negotiate for further things There's lots of room for correction and I agree with you about the military and the border. But you have to actually stand up for Canadians as well which I thought would not necessarily be something I'd have to explain to someone who's serving in our military in defense of Canada. If trump wants to come and say he wants these things fixed and negotiate great. If he wants to threaten and lie about us and smear us then the correct answer is to punch him in the face as hard as we can and make America and Americans hurt as much as humanly possible until they learn that we are not servants at their beck and call and they need to treat us like equals. He has said it on many occasions....Border concerns, and the rest of our security apparatus...Why would why lease blackhawks if those were not his concerns...why tie 1.38 bil to increasing border security...Because he has made himself very clear, get it done of face tariffs... Looking historically at these very issues, lets just take the last couple of decades how many Presidents or NATO allieds have ask us to increase our efforts on all of these issues...Is it bad diplomacy....well how many people have to ask and for how long before Canada as a nation takes some action... We are running around right now, preparing for a trade war we can not hope to win....Knowing this why not sit down examine what Trump wants and come up with a plan which includes funding and propose that getting the thumbs down or up....and hopefully negate these tariffs... I'm a Canadian first, i just don't see how going into a trade war is going to be beneficial for Canada, nor do i see Canada winning anything other than creating a huge riff between our nations for 4 years......These problems are OUR problems we created them....only Canada can fix them...we have been asked to fix themselves for decades and got nothing but crickets causing frustrating for the US... Want to be treated as an equal , we need a seat at the grown up table, which we don't have we have become an unreliable allied, our word means nothing really....we can't even look after our own sovereignty... Canadians need this punch in the face to get us back on track, nothing else has worked...Thinking that Canada is going to make the US economy hurt as much as they are going to hurt us is a dream, or a lie... We Canadians are going to pay that bill, not justin or trump....and we will pay more than any American will.... Our entire objective here is diplomacy, not a trade war, or mixing words with trump....we already know his character and he does not respond well to threats....A Canada does not have the tools to take on such an opponent Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, suds said: Absolutely. What they expect may happen on Feb 1, is that Trump may begin with a 2% export tariff, and then increase the tariff another 2% on each subsequent month until some kind of agreement is reached. Canada deserves the full 25% just to avenge the Trucker Convoy 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 34 minutes ago, eyeball said: People in these countries apparently see Trump's tariffs as being more like gunships blasting their way into our markets. Name one of Trump's requests that have no merit regarding his demands for Canada, and why do you see it as gunships blasting away.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 9 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Name one of Trump's requests that have no merit regarding his demands for Canada, and why do you see it as gunships blasting away.... Almost all of them. Tell us some that are. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 29 Author Report Posted January 29 30 minutes ago, Army Guy said: He has said it on many occasions....Border concerns, and the rest of our security apparatus...Why would why lease blackhawks if those were not his concerns...why tie 1.38 bil to increasing border security...Because he has made himself very clear, get it done of face tariffs... Looking historically at these very issues, lets just take the last couple of decades how many Presidents or NATO allieds have ask us to increase our efforts on all of these issues...Is it bad diplomacy....well how many people have to ask and for how long before Canada as a nation takes some action... We are running around right now, preparing for a trade war we can not hope to win....Knowing this why not sit down examine what Trump wants and come up with a plan which includes funding and propose that getting the thumbs down or up....and hopefully negate these tariffs... I'm a Canadian first, i just don't see how going into a trade war is going to be beneficial for Canada, nor do i see Canada winning anything other than creating a huge riff between our nations for 4 years......These problems are OUR problems we created them....only Canada can fix them...we have been asked to fix themselves for decades and got nothing but crickets causing frustrating for the US... Want to be treated as an equal , we need a seat at the grown up table, which we don't have we have become an unreliable allied, our word means nothing really....we can't even look after our own sovereignty... Canadians need this punch in the face to get us back on track, nothing else has worked...Thinking that Canada is going to make the US economy hurt as much as they are going to hurt us is a dream, or a lie... We Canadians are going to pay that bill, not justin or trump....and we will pay more than any American will.... Our entire objective here is diplomacy, not a trade war, or mixing words with trump....we already know his character and he does not respond well to threats....A Canada does not have the tools to take on such an opponent No, he's given some vague indications but he has not made any specific demands or identified specific targets of any type. And if those were his concerns why didn't leasing the Blackhawks put an end to this. And history is nice but nobody gives a shit. If he wants to address this and have a trade war today then he needs to come forward and say these are what I want fixed specifically and this is what will make me happy. Then we can negotiate. And the reason we don't sit down and examine what trump wants is because trump is not willing at this point in time to tell us what he wants. As I said if he gave us a list of demands and said meet this and I'm happy otherwise war, we could cope with it. But so far he's just standing in front of the cameras saying he doesn't need anything we have which is wrong and saying what terrible trade partners we are which is also wrong And if he feels we become an unreliable ally then he gets to sit down and lay out specifics. If all he does is threaten then he's not an ally at all, he's an enemy. And you siding with him calls into question your commitment to Canada to be blunt. It would be fine to say if he brings us a list of demands that we should take them very seriously and negotiate or simply agree to them, but he's threatening us without any such list And while a trade war is not in our interest it's not in his either and sometimes when someone acts like a bully the best thing you can do is stand up and punch him as hard as you can in the face even if you know he's going to beat you up. Nice to solve this with diplomacy but it seeming less and less like that something he's interested in. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Army Guy Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Almost all of them. Tell us some that are. Border security, Even CBSA has said our borders are not what they should be, lack funding, equipment, and manpower...Let me guess trumps fault right.... Military Budget....He has mentioned this , he is not the first it goes back a couple decades really, from past US presidents to NATO allied, to NORAD commanders...asking us politely to get our sh!t in a pile....And we have either gave them the finger or ignored them all....I get it trumps fault right.... Our entire security apparatus is lacking funding, equipment, and manpower, RCMP, CSIS, Coast Guard, Immigration, CBSA, and all the rest.... So how is fixing those departments like a gunship racking one of our streets....these are problems we created, due to our not taking our sovereignty seriously...concentrating on social programs and liberal spending instead... Which ones are the bad ones again... Edited January 29 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: No, he's given some vague indications but he has not made any specific demands or identified specific targets of any type. And if those were his concerns why didn't leasing the Blackhawks put an end to this. And history is nice but nobody gives a shit. If he wants to address this and have a trade war today then he needs to come forward and say these are what I want fixed specifically and this is what will make me happy. Then we can negotiate. And the reason we don't sit down and examine what trump wants is because trump is not willing at this point in time to tell us what he wants. As I said if he gave us a list of demands and said meet this and I'm happy otherwise war, we could cope with it. But so far he's just standing in front of the cameras saying he doesn't need anything we have which is wrong and saying what terrible trade partners we are which is also wrong And if he feels we become an unreliable ally then he gets to sit down and lay out specifics. If all he does is threaten then he's not an ally at all, he's an enemy. And you siding with him calls into question your commitment to Canada to be blunt. It would be fine to say if he brings us a list of demands that we should take them very seriously and negotiate or simply agree to them, but he's threatening us without any such list And while a trade war is not in our interest it's not in his either and sometimes when someone acts like a bully the best thing you can do is stand up and punch him as hard as you can in the face even if you know he's going to beat you up. Nice to solve this with diplomacy but it seeming less and less like that something he's interested in. He mentions his reasoning almost every media conference he has...Come on leasing 4 Helos is not going to criminal activities, thats over 8000 kms of border to cover daily, Liberals have a plan to spend 1.38 Bil...but parliament is prorogued no funding...That plan has already been shown to the President, and i can only guess why it is not enough.... You keep repeating that but he has said countless times what he wants, and i'm sure he has told Justin during the dinner they had... We are terrible partners in regards to security and defense... How many visits of calls from past US presidents does it take for us to take action on the few things he wants done...how many NORAD and NATO allies does it take....each time we have told them to we are not doing that...How many times does Canada have to refuse NATO exercises, or training ops , or NATO tasking before they stop asking ...Why are we not part of the new AUKUS partnership....Even CBC has covered this and apparently not loud or often enough...Not to mention we are now buying Russian oil that was banned, that is funding the Russian /Ukraine war...who does that .... He's dad, and he is tired of telling you to clean up your room....our lack of security is bad for their security as well....I'm not siding with anyone here i have voiced another direction but apparently i'm a traitor for doing so......as for my commitment to Canada now you're sounding like that drunken DUI ....I don't think a trade war is going to benefit anyone, i definitely don't think we can win this thing . and to be honest i don't owe this country anything my debt has been paid in full and more....I've seen how this same country treats its vets and serving members, and it is not good,what you want is for me to stop asking questions and get on board with YOUR message which i think is the wrong one...I'm not interested in punching anyone in the face, and definitely not trumps as he is not stable... I think i am committed to this nation by voicing my opinion on what i think is the wrong direction...the response is nothing more than a liberal response from a man that has done nothing of value for this country...nor do i trust him to pull Canada out of this crises... Edited January 29 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Name one of Trump's requests that have no merit regarding his demands for Canada, All of them given how many drugs, migrants and guns Americans are failing to prevent coming into Canada. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: and why do you see it as gunships blasting away.... Because it smacks of the same arrogant might makes right attitude America used to force their way into markets over a century ago. Fùck America and especially fùck the Canadian buttsniffs lining up to kiss Trump's ass. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Aristides Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 Our only border is with the US. Our responsibility is to keep things out. We do need to clean up our immigration practices but keeping stuff out of the US is their job. We aren't building an effing Iron Curtain or Berlin Wall to keep people in. I asked this question before but didn't get a response. Why doesn't the US reduce their spending to 2% forcing others to increase theirs? After all, we spent over 6% at the peak of the Cold War. I know the answer but no one else wants to address it. Yes it is but that's our problem. I think if we wanted gunships, we got the wrong helicopter. Quote
eyeball Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 34 minutes ago, Aristides said: I asked this question before but didn't get a response. Why doesn't the US reduce their spending to 2% forcing others to increase theirs? It's an excellent idea. I think we should propose international agreements that place tariffs and sanctions on countries who exceed that ceiling. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 17 minutes ago, Aristides said: Our only border is with the US. Our responsibility is to keep things out. We do need to clean up our immigration practices but keeping stuff out of the US is their job. We aren't building an effing Iron Curtain or Berlin Wall to keep people in. I asked this question before but didn't get a response. Why doesn't the US reduce their spending to 2% forcing others to increase theirs? After all, we spent over 6% at the peak of the Cold War. I know the answer but no one else wants to address it. Yes it is but that's our problem. I think if we wanted gunships, we got the wrong helicopter. No it ain't our law enforcement job is to bust all Canadian drug dealers, and work with the US by sharing info to make that job easier....The border is not a free for all....or one way...You can check with law enforcement on that if you wish... The rule is to spend at the minimum 2 %...thats the agreement we as a nation signed on to in 2014 ....now where does it say you can't spend more than that it does not.......NATO is thinking of raising the minimum to 5 % but has not gotten consensus yet...So why would we want to US to spend only 2 % it does not make sense....Being the worlds' policemen is expensive and requires a larger investment... Early cold war maybe...but from the 60's it was about 4.19 % on it has been in decline ever since....past spending does not count towards anything... We always get the wrong equipment....thats how we role... https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CAN/canada/military-spending-defense-budget Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 7 minutes ago, Army Guy said: We always get the wrong equipment....thats how we role... That's because we look at the world stupidly. There's only one direction we'll ever be invaded from. It's nothing a couple of really dirty cobalt bombs couldn't address at a fraction of the cost of GDP x 2%. Better dead than orange I say. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Aristides Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: No it ain't our law enforcement job is to bust all Canadian drug dealers, and work with the US by sharing info to make that job easier....The border is not a free for all....or one way...You can check with law enforcement on that if you wish... The rule is to spend at the minimum 2 %...thats the agreement we as a nation signed on to in 2014 ....now where does it say you can't spend more than that it does not.......NATO is thinking of raising the minimum to 5 % but has not gotten consensus yet...So why would we want to US to spend only 2 % it does not make sense....Being the worlds' policemen is expensive and requires a larger investment... Early cold war maybe...but from the 60's it was about 4.19 % on it has been in decline ever since....past spending does not count towards anything... We always get the wrong equipment....thats how we role... https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CAN/canada/military-spending-defense-budget There is no "rule" but we should be doing it for our own security, not because of the US. NATO doesn't want to increase spending to 5% GDP, that's another thing that came out of Trump's ass and if it did, which country's defence industry stands to make a shit load of money because of it? The US doesn't have to be the world's policeman. No one gave them that job, they decided they were the world's policeman. The US won't reduce spending for two reasons. 1. Their military industrial complex is such a large part of their economy, they can't afford to throttle it. 2. As much as as they complain, most Americans want to be the most powerful country in the world and blaming others for it makes them feel better about themselves. Edited January 29 by Aristides Quote
CdnFox Posted January 29 Author Report Posted January 29 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: He mentions his reasoning almost every media conference he has...Come on leasing 4 Helos is not going to criminal activities, thats over 8000 kms of border to cover daily, Liberals have a plan to spend 1.38 Bil...but parliament is prorogued no funding...That plan has already been shown to the President, and i can only guess why it is not enough.... You keep repeating that but he has said countless times what he wants, and i'm sure he has told Justin during the dinner they had... We are terrible partners in regards to security and defense... How many visits of calls from past US presidents does it take for us to take action on the few things he wants done...how many NORAD and NATO allies does it take....each time we have told them to we are not doing that...How many times does Canada have to refuse NATO exercises, or training ops , or NATO tasking before they stop asking ...Why are we not part of the new AUKUS partnership....Even CBC has covered this and apparently not loud or often enough...Not to mention we are now buying Russian oil that was banned, that is funding the Russian /Ukraine war...who does that .... He's dad, and he is tired of telling you to clean up your room....our lack of security is bad for their security as well....I'm not siding with anyone here i have voiced another direction but apparently i'm a traitor for doing so......as for my commitment to Canada now you're sounding like that drunken DUI ....I don't think a trade war is going to benefit anyone, i definitely don't think we can win this thing . and to be honest i don't owe this country anything my debt has been paid in full and more....I've seen how this same country treats its vets and serving members, and it is not good,what you want is for me to stop asking questions and get on board with YOUR message which i think is the wrong one...I'm not interested in punching anyone in the face, and definitely not trumps as he is not stable... I think i am committed to this nation by voicing my opinion on what i think is the wrong direction...the response is nothing more than a liberal response from a man that has done nothing of value for this country...nor do i trust him to pull Canada out of this crises... Really. Well then by all means, tell me precisely what we have to do to satisfy his concerns. What specifically would truhave to do tomorrow for him to say "we're done, you're good" Betcha can't. Trump is not dad and we are not his children. We are two soverign nations and he's threatening us without even presenting demands. And you are not standing behind your country by supporting the position of someone threatening it like that. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Army Guy Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 16 hours ago, Aristides said: There is no "rule" but we should be doing it for our own security, not because of the US. NATO doesn't want to increase spending to 5% GDP, that's another thing that came out of Trump's ass and if it did, which country's defence industry stands to make a shit load of money because of it? The US doesn't have to be the world's policeman. No one gave them that job, they decided they were the world's policeman. The US won't reduce spending for two reasons. 1. Their military industrial complex is such a large part of their economy, they can't afford to throttle it. 2. As much as as they complain, most Americans want to be the most powerful country in the world and blaming others for it makes them feel better about themselves. When you sign a defence agreement to spend 2 % of your GDP on defence related matters it is a rule....If it was not big deal why are countries just spending what they want...why the recent push to reach 2 %, if there is not rule.... Europe does not spend a lot of their defence dollars on american equipment, in fact very little goes to purchase american made military equipment...most of it is made in europe. If the US does not do it who else ? Europe, Canada. who is going to keep Russian , chinese aggression in check..Who is going to counter the middle east ? No one had to give them the job, nobody else wanted it, The US stepped up to fill it... 1. So, there is never going to be a shortage of conflicts, in fact the world has more conflicts now than during the cold war...and with that there is never not going to be a demand for weapons... 2...I don't see anyone stepping up and offering to take on the role...in fact some of those countries in NATO are taking advantage of the US presence in NATO, like canada while some like poland are spending close to 4 or 5 % of their GDP as they see the threat as real, and are on the verge of becoming the largest military power in Europe....while we a founding member could not be bothered...in fact we should be told to pack our bags your no longer welcome.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 18 hours ago, eyeball said: Because it smacks of the same arrogant might makes right attitude America used to force their way into markets over a century ago. oh yeah, because Canada, as the British Empire at the time, is so squeaky clean on that sort of thing Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 18 hours ago, eyeball said: Fùck America and especially fùck the Canadian buttsniffs lining up to kiss Trump's ass. okay, Canada, but since that is how you feel, stop whining about the tariffs already go ahead and storm off in a huff, see how that works out for you Quote
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