Would you support a Constitutional amendment that ended both birthright citizenship and the Electoral College system?

[Matthew]

What do you think?

[gatomontes99]

The EC was put in place so that the minority would win from time to time and policies wouldn't too heavily favor more populous states. We can never end that.

[Five of swords]

20 minutes ago, Matthew said:

What do you think?

I do not care about any country that allows non whites to be part of the discussion of how to govern white people. That violates self determination. 

[User]

Nope. 

Not going to support changing a fundamental component for our being a Federal system of government in trade for solidifying what already should be in place now but has been abused. 

 

[Matthew]

10 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

I do not care about any country that allows non whites to be part of the discussion of how to govern white people. That violates self determination. 

So you're just fully out of the closet now I see.

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[Five of swords]

1 minute ago, Matthew said:

You guys are never going to

So you're just fully out of the closet now I see.

When was I in the closet? 

[Matthew]

2 minutes ago, User said:

what already should be in place now

You're not going to get what you want without an amendment and 3/4 of the states are not going to agree to end birthright citizenship unless they get something they want.

But it is interesting to see where the right wing priorities lie.  All three of you overtly place your anti- democracy stance above your anti- immigrant stance.

[User]

1 minute ago, Matthew said:

You're not going to get what you want without an amendment and 3/4 of the states are not going to agree to end birthright citizenship unless they get something they want.

But it is interesting to see where the right wing priorities lie.  All three of you overtly place your anti- democracy stance above your anti- immigrant stance.

Maybe, maybe not. We will see how this plays out. But what you want is worth more to you than what I want is worth to me. 

No deal. 

You and I already argued about this to a great extent and your take on what is or is not democracy here is ignorant to say the least, but wrong no less. 

 

[Five of swords]

1 minute ago, Matthew said:

You're not going to get what you want without an amendment and 3/4 of the states are not going to agree to end birthright citizenship unless they get something they want.

But it is interesting to see where the right wing priorities lie.  All three of you overtly place your anti- democracy stance above your anti- immigrant stance.

I agree that I would never get what I want without a complete military overthrow of the us government.

 

I am not, however, right wing. I am also not anti immigrant. I am just pro white.

[Matthew]

15 minutes ago, User said:

But what you want is worth more to you than what I want is worth to me. 

I'm not sure this is true. Right wing politics is far more interested and animated by immigration than left wing politics is about realizing democracy (unfortunately).

[impartialobserver]

23 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

I agree that I would never get what I want without a complete military overthrow of the us government.

 

I am not, however, right wing. I am also not anti immigrant. I am just pro white.

You in for a lifetime of disappointment. 

[User]

7 minutes ago, Matthew said:

I'm not sure this is true. Right wing politics is far more interested and animated by immigration than left wing politics is about realizing democracy (unfortunately).

Clearly. This was your proposal, you want it, you are arguing for it, I rejected it. 

 

[Black Dog]

49 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

I do not care about any country that allows non whites to be part of the discussion of how to govern white people. That violates self determination. 

Who's an edgy boy? Who's an edgy boy?

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, Matthew said:

What do you think?

Of course not.

This is a really stupid poll.

I love the electoral college, and I hate birthright citizenship as it pertains to non-citizens. 

Edited January 27 by Deluge

[NAME REMOVED]

You have combined two completely separate questions into one. Can you delete this thread, and only ask one question in your poll?

Edited January 28 by DUI_Offender

[Matthew]

27 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

You have combined two completely separate questions into one.

Getting rid of these two things vs what I'm proposing replace them?

[NAME REMOVED]

 

 

 

It's a flawed poll, considering there are two issues that are not even remotely close. One can be for one of your proposals, and against the other. Therefore, I voted NO.

36 minutes ago, Matthew said:

 

[Matthew]

15 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

two issues that are not even remotely close.

The whole point is that in order to get 3/4 of states to ratify an amendment, it must be very widely appealing. Would democrats sacrifice birthright citizenship? Would republicans sacrifice the electoral college?

The answer is obviously no. But if birthright citizenship were REALLY so bad they could tolerate having an actual democratic vote for president in exchange for it like every other developed country. 

And if the voting system for president was REALLY so bad we could have a normal immigration system in exchange for it like every other developed country.

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[NAME REMOVED]

11 hours ago, Matthew said:

The whole point is that in order to get 3/4 of states to ratify an amendment, it must be very widely appealing. Would democrats sacrifice birthright citizenship? Would republicans sacrifice the electoral college?

The answer is obviously no. But if birthright citizenship were REALLY so bad they could tolerate having an actual democratic vote for president in exchange for it like every other developed country. 

And if the voting system for president was REALLY so bad we could have a normal immigration system in exchange for it like every other developed country.

 

Personally, I am against ending birthright citizenship. I am in favour of ending the current electrical system that the US uses. So I voted NO, since there are only two options. 

Edited January 28 by DUI_Offender

[Matthew]

1 minute ago, DUI_Offender said:

It would probably be in your best interests to just delete the thread, and run polls for each issue, separate from one another. 

Lol what tf would even be the point of that? Obviously these right wing boobs are going to really want the ending birthright citizenship amendment. And obviously the normal people here are going to want a popular vote amendment. Only together do we get to witness firsthand the sad reality of why we can't have nice things.

[Matthew]

10 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

That is not how things work in real life.

Maybe, maybe not.

What also doesn't work is your way of separating it two super partisan issues.

It's been 50 years since any amendment passed, and it was very simple non-controversial one.

The last amendment that was an actual big deal was the 22nd that put term limits on the presidency and that was 74 years ago.

Edited January 28 by Matthew

[Moonlight Graham]

Yes remove birthright citizenship, no on removing EC.

[A Freeman]

The CONstitution is a CON.

 

We don't need to amend it; we need to get rid of it, and return to our Creator's Perfect Law of Liberty, that actually provides freedom and justice for all, rather than just advertising empty promises.

 

No one's rights are granted or guaranteed by a silly piece of paper; they originate from our Creator, exactly as we've been told in the preamble to the United States Declaration of Independence:

 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

 

No rationally-minded individual would actually believe that we somehow choose "the leader of the free world", which is about as oxymoronic as it gets.

 

As long as people are gullible enough to place their fellow inmates in this lunatic asylum in positions of power over them, we will continue to have endless wars, endless debt, endless poverty, endless crime, endless corruption, endless slavery and endless injustice, until there eventually is no one left to argue about these fabricated institutions and nonsensical policies.

 

[gatomontes99]

10 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

You have combined two completely separate questions into one. Can you delete this thread, and only ask one question in your poll?

It's a question about compromise. Giving each side one thing they want.

[West]

No but I would end rank choice balloting that some states have. That's how woke Republican like Lisa Murkowski can go from being in like 4th place in a head to head to winning the whole thing and then subverting the will of the voters