Matthew Posted January 29 Author Report Posted January 29 On 1/28/2025 at 3:29 AM, A Freeman said: According to the now infamous 2017 Deagel report, we won't need to wait 10-20 years for the U.S. population to decline. It's forecast to decline by 68.5% THIS year (2025). From: https://archive.org/details/deagel-2025-forecast-by-country United States of America 2017 population: 316,440,000 2025 population (projected): 99,553,100 Population change: -68.5% What could bring about such a radical change other than wars and vaccines? Hi Freeman, welcome! If the info you found is accurate that's quite a leap from other predictions that have long been forcasting that the tipping point won't happen until after 2100 (such as the current census bereau data published in 2023). But I agree that the conditions leading toward this population decline are accelerating and I wouldn't be shocked if the decline becomes so rapid that it emerges as a major policy concern. Quote
User Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 1 hour ago, impartialobserver said: Oh.. so there is no agenda in reading data and seeing population declines.. Good to know. Observing reality according to most people (you included) means that I have something against someone. No, that is not what I said. I very clearly said I made no assertion about you having an agenda here with population growth discussion and I can't read your mind to know what it is when you asked. 1 hour ago, impartialobserver said: About drag queens.. here is my view. Here in Reno, NV we have one or two drag queen story hours per year. Where are you getting these numbers? They are not accurate, I did a google search in less than 5 minutes can see this is not accurate. 1 hour ago, impartialobserver said: If you need further evidence... I could search the police databases for sexual assaults on those days. Care to guess how many there are and if one of the two drag queens was the assailant? As far as I can tell, you completely fabricated the numbers you provided so far... and have provided zero evidence. I don't need further evidence... you need any real evidence to begin with. That aside, none of this does anything to answer why you brought this up in this thread? You still have not answered any questions around your support for these things happening, if they are cool to happen in public schools, etc... so, again, what is your agenda in bringing up drag queen story hour here? Quote
impartialobserver Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 (edited) 14 minutes ago, User said: No, that is not what I said. I very clearly said I made no assertion about you having an agenda here with population growth discussion and I can't read your mind to know what it is when you asked. Where are you getting these numbers? They are not accurate, I did a google search in less than 5 minutes can see this is not accurate. As far as I can tell, you completely fabricated the numbers you provided so far... and have provided zero evidence. I don't need further evidence... you need any real evidence to begin with. That aside, none of this does anything to answer why you brought this up in this thread? You still have not answered any questions around your support for these things happening, if they are cool to happen in public schools, etc... so, again, what is your agenda in bringing up drag queen story hour here? How many drag queen stories were there in 2023? Can you provide exact locations and times. (https://www.rgj.com/story/news/local/2023/05/16/drag-queen-story-hour-washoe-county-libraries-2023/70220212007/)... there ended up only being the one at North Valleys library. Yes, I was there unlike you. Lets start with this... can you dispute this and if so, what is the actual land area and the the source. The Reno, NV metropolitan area, also known as the Reno–Carson City–Gardnerville Ranchos, NV–CA Combined Statistical Area, has a total land area of 9,983 square miles ( 25,857km225 comma 857 k m squared 25,857𝑘𝑚2 ). Explanation The Reno, NV metropolitan area includes Reno, Carson City, and Gardnerville Ranchos. The land area of Reno, Nevada is 108.86 square miles ( 281.96km2281.96 k m squared 281.96𝑘𝑚2 ). The land area of Fernley, Nevada is 121.31 square miles ( 316.3km2316.3 k m squared 316.3𝑘𝑚2 ). Edited January 29 by impartialobserver Quote
impartialobserver Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 39 minutes ago, Matthew said: You're apparently not allowed by user to "say drag queens" or to point out the simple fact that people care about drag queens more than they care about demographic trends. And yes his triggered response proves your point completely. Yes, exactly. its simple human nature. Folks will care more about topics that have more data, events than the converse. Something like population decline can seem abstract where you can search the internet and find something about drag queens and get all worked up. Quote
User Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 6 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: How many drag queen stories were there? Can you provide exact locations and times. This was your dumb claim. All I have to do is provide enough evidence to show you were wrong. This is more than 2 a year... unlike you, I can back up my claims: Nov. 9 at the Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Northern Nevada, 780 Del Monte Lane Dec. 14 at Brüka Theater, 99 N. Virginia St. Jan. 18, 2025, at the Reno Little Theater, 147 Pueblo St. Feb. 15, 2025, at Our Center, 1745 S. Wells Ave. May 17, 2025, at the Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Northern Nevada https://www.rgj.com/story/news/local/2024/08/06/drag-queen-story-hour-reno-nevada/74695498007/ 8 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: Yes, I was there unlike you. LOL, now the truth is coming out. 5 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: Yes, exactly. its simple human nature. Folks will care more about topics that have more data, events than the converse. Something like population decline can seem abstract where you can search the internet and find something about drag queens and get all worked up. You brought up drag queen story hour here. Clearly the issue is important to you after all, since you are defending them and go to them. Quote
impartialobserver Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 (edited) 2 minutes ago, User said: This was your dumb claim. All I have to do is provide enough evidence to show you were wrong. This is more than 2 a year... unlike you, I can back up my claims: Nov. 9 at the Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Northern Nevada, 780 Del Monte Lane Dec. 14 at Brüka Theater, 99 N. Virginia St. Jan. 18, 2025, at the Reno Little Theater, 147 Pueblo St. Feb. 15, 2025, at Our Center, 1745 S. Wells Ave. May 17, 2025, at the Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Northern Nevada https://www.rgj.com/story/news/local/2024/08/06/drag-queen-story-hour-reno-nevada/74695498007/ LOL, now the truth is coming out. You brought up drag queen story hour here. Clearly the issue is important to you after all, since you are defending them and go to them. Lets be clear.. i was talking about 2023... can you comprehend that? I think it is trivial and silly based on simple quantitative metrics that I have laid out. To talk about something that takes up 150 minutes out of 525,600 ad nauseum is irrational IMO. Edited January 29 by impartialobserver Quote
User Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: Lets be clear.. i was talking about 2023... can you comprehend that? I can comprehend you are now lying. You said: "we have one or two drag queen story hours per year." You did not say only in 2023. 2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: I think it is trivial and silly based on simple quantitative metrics that I have laid out. To talk about something that takes up 150 minutes out of 525,600 ad nauseum is irrational IMO. Your metrics are not based on accurate numbers and it was you who brought this up here. Quote
impartialobserver Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 Just now, User said: I can comprehend you are now lying. You said: "we have one or two drag queen story hours per year." You did not say only in 2023. Your metrics are not based on accurate numbers and it was you who brought this up here. So how many minutes are in a year? This should be interesting. Quote
User Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 9 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: So how many minutes are in a year? This should be interesting. The only interesting thing here is how you completely ignored your lie, and are now trying to ask me some irrelevant question. Quote
impartialobserver Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 11 minutes ago, User said: The only interesting thing here is how you completely ignored your lie, and are now trying to ask me some irrelevant question. But you said it was inaccurate.. well then step up and tell me how many minutes are in a year? Quote
User Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 (edited) 6 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: But you said it was inaccurate.. well then step up and tell me how many minutes are in a year? Yes, the number of drag story hours you presented is inaccurate. Your claim you were talking about 2023 is a lie. So, all the numbers you are using are founded on your inaccurate number of drag story times. And... we have not even gotten to the fact that you are just talking about Reno NV, not how this issue is nation wide and in other places being pushed into the public schools. Nothing you are doing here is honest. Edited January 29 by User Quote
impartialobserver Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 1 minute ago, User said: Yes, the number of drag story hours you presented is inaccurate. Your claim you were talking about 2023 is a lie. So, all the numbers you are using are founded on your inaccurate number of drag story times. And... we have not even gotten to the fact that you are just talking about Reno NV, not how this issue is nation wide and in other places being pushed into the public schools. Nothing you are doing here is honest. More dodging... So in 2023.. how many were there.. Give me exact times and places. It should be easy and yet you do not. If you are going to claim that I am inaccurate.. then give better info. I use Reno but could apply the same method.. number of story hours, population, etc to any number of places. Quote
User Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 6 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: More dodging... So in 2023.. how many were there.. Give me exact times and places. It should be easy and yet you do not. If you are going to claim that I am inaccurate.. then give better info. I use Reno but could apply the same method.. number of story hours, population, etc to any number of places. Yes, you are dodging. You only said 2023 AFTER I busted your lie about there only being a couple a year and you demanded I show you. I already posted a link and pulled out the excerpt from it showing exact times and places. Why do you insist on playing these dumb dishonest games? Quote
impartialobserver Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 13 minutes ago, User said: Yes, you are dodging. You only said 2023 AFTER I busted your lie about there only being a couple a year and you demanded I show you. I already posted a link and pulled out the excerpt from it showing exact times and places. Why do you insist on playing these dumb dishonest games? Why do you insist on dodging? I left out a detail.. one of many. So for 2023... how many were there? Even if you use 2024.. the numbers do not change much. 4 or 5 of them and probably less in attendance per site due to lack of security and non-standard locations. Get that number 100 at most with 20 protestors (about the average from years past). 120/682,828 (reno-sparks-fernley combined statistical area population) is still pretty small. The math does not lie. Quote
User Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 3 hours ago, impartialobserver said: Why do you insist on dodging? I left out a detail.. one of many. So for 2023... how many were there? Even if you use 2024.. the numbers do not change much. 4 or 5 of them and probably less in attendance per site due to lack of security and non-standard locations. Get that number 100 at most with 20 protestors (about the average from years past). 120/682,828 (reno-sparks-fernley combined statistical area population) is still pretty small. The math does not lie. You did not leave out a detail. Your entire schtick here is downplaying how many events there were. You lied, trying to claim there are only 2. You lied again when I called you out with evidence on that. You have admitted you go to these. So, why were you there? you brought up drag shows, you wanted to down play them, you have the agenda here for trying to defend these things. Quote
eyeball Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 On 1/26/2025 at 2:02 PM, CdnFox said: Some on the left have proposed its a 'bad thing' and tried to shame women LMAO. On 1/26/2025 at 3:00 PM, Matthew said: I've never seen this. Neither has he. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 1 hour ago, eyeball said: LMAO. Hi yes your signature admission that somebody has said something you don't like but can't dispute Quote Neither has he. Right, well except for the examples that I posted and pretty much everything on the internet LOLOL Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Nationalist Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 (edited) On 1/26/2025 at 12:07 AM, Matthew said: Most developed economies have been in demographic decline for years. Some like South Korea and Japan will dramatically shrink in the decades to come. China's population started to decline in the last couple years and they have begun to strategize policies to encourage more births. The US is expected to hit its tipping point as early as the 2030s, a date which has been moved up serveral decades by more recent changes to birth rates. Birth rates in every continent except Africa have gotten close to 2 children per woman--even in most very poor and densely populated places like Bangladesh. So does a future of declining population and an increased percentage of elderly people concern you? Yes it concerns me. It should concern everyone. IMO, it's time to implement heavy incentives for American citizens to have larger families. Edited January 30 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Michael Hardner Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 17 hours ago, Matthew said: I wouldn't be shocked if the decline becomes so rapid that it emerges as a major policy concern. I have been bringing this up for years and people disputed it until recently. I think almost every country has a declining birthrate. And people are now talking about it so it has arrived as an issue. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 A "culture fix" including, we assume, everyone rejecting Drag Queen shows or somesuch, isn't going to happen on its own. People are free to pursue their life goals, and given the culture of convenience, consumerism, hedonism, or - more generously - self actualization... having kids is not a life goal. I had children late in life, and saw my personal time, disposal income, and general sanity plunge. However, I knew this would happen and so I'm not surprised. Nostalgia for "old values" and such isn't going to change anything. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
User Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 48 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: A "culture fix" including, we assume, everyone rejecting Drag Queen shows or somesuch, isn't going to happen on its own. Nor is it just a natural progression of culture that there are draq queen story hours. These are planned and orchestrated events to normalize this behavior, not even mentioning that folks on the left are pushing this into public schools. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 33 minutes ago, User said: Nor is it just a natural progression of culture that there are draq queen story hours. These are planned and orchestrated events to normalize this behavior, not even mentioning that folks on the left are pushing this into public schools. As such, I don't know what you mean by "natural progression". I'm not disagreeing but... was birth control a "natural progression" ? Baptizing the savages ? Cultural forces might actually proceed independent of politics. For example, is there any suggestion that left-wing vs right-wing young people are having children at significantly different rates ? Not an oppositional discussion, I am asking in order to explore ideas so put away your semantic weapons all you who care to chat with me Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
impartialobserver Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 (edited) 14 hours ago, User said: You did not leave out a detail. Your entire schtick here is downplaying how many events there were. You lied, trying to claim there are only 2. You lied again when I called you out with evidence on that. You have admitted you go to these. So, why were you there? you brought up drag shows, you wanted to down play them, you have the agenda here for trying to defend these things. First. 2023 there were 3 scheduled. It was understanding that one or two were cancelled which left only the one at North Valleys library. As for 2024, there were 5 scheduled but no idea if they actually happened. So lets assume that all three happened in 2023 then the calculus is as such 2023: 3 events (each lasting about 2 hours apiece) so 6 hours out of 8760. Average attendance of 25 with about 20 protesters. As for unique attendees (same person attending multiple events), lets assume that there are a few. So that brings total attendance to (25* 3) + (20 *3) or 75+60. 135 out of 682,828 is still pretty small. Its a mathematical fact. 2024: 5 events.. same length of time. 5 * 25 for attendance and 20 * 3 protesters. That is 125 + 60 or 185. Still pretty small. 185/682,828. The point is that these are relatively rare events that take up a very small amount of time in the given year. The time spent on the events is not commensurate with the time, energy. outrage. Lots of other things in life impact one's life in a far more concrete and direct fashion than these. why were we there? My wife is fairly liberal and feels that our kids should see these folks as people.. no more and no less. As to how they actually play out? Quite unremarkable and boring. Kids were falling asleep. I know that you can't believe this.. they were molesting and raping them. The library system would host them in the summer as a part of an inclusion and diversity week. Edited January 30 by impartialobserver Quote
User Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: As such, I don't know what you mean by "natural progression". I'm not disagreeing but... was birth control a "natural progression" ? Baptizing the savages ? Cultural forces might actually proceed independent of politics. For example, is there any suggestion that left-wing vs right-wing young people are having children at significantly different rates ? Not an oppositional discussion, I am asking in order to explore ideas so put away your semantic weapons all you who care to chat with me I am just pointing out that there is just as much an effort to push the normalization of drag queens into society as there is to oppose it. In fact, the point is that the culture war to oppose this started in response to those pushing it. Quote
User Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 11 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: First. 2023 there were 3 scheduled. The entire point is that you brought this subject up here to down play it when the thread had nothing to do with it and then you continue to try to push that agenda to defend drag story time for kids. When I called you out for saying there were only 2 shows, you went on ignoring that, ignoring the evidence, and just outright lying about what you said to avoid admitting you were wrong. 13 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: The point is that these are relatively rare events that take up a very small amount of time in the given year. The time spent on the events is not commensurate with the time, energy. outrage. Lots of other things in life impact one's life in a far more concrete and direct fashion than these. The point is you brought this up here. You have an agenda, you want to normalize and defend this stuff and try to downplay it as if it is not worth caring. 14 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: why were we there? My wife is fairly liberal and feels that our kids should see these folks as people.. no more and no less. As to how they actually play out? Quite unremarkable and boring. Kids were falling asleep. I know that you can't believe this.. they were molesting and raping them. The library system would host them in the summer as a part of an inclusion and diversity week. Yeah, and seeing that it is a public library the issue people have is with using those public resources to promote this garbage. It was not a waste of your time to go. It was not a waste of your time for you and your wife to expose your kids to this... then it is not a waste of time for others to disagree with your wanting to normalize grown ass men dressing up like women to read to children. Nevermind that too many times they dress up in extremely absurd exaggerated ways to sexualize themselves. Normal women do not dress or act like this to "perform" in front of little kids to read to them: Quote
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