Canada, Mexico must find creative way to multiply the stupidity tariffs to target the states that elected the romon multiple times

[gatomontes99]

I love how liberals suddenly realize that taxes are always paid by the end user. Corporations pass on taxes. The rich pass on taxes. I pass my taxes own to my employer. Our customers pay my taxes. So the higher the taxes are, the more expensive things are.

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

I love how liberals suddenly realize that taxes are always paid by the end user. Corporations pass on taxes. The rich pass on taxes. I pass my taxes own to my employer. Our customers pay my taxes. So the higher the taxes are, the more expensive things are.

Exactly. At the end of the day when you factor everything in there really is only one taxpayer. This simple truth eludes most people and that's what allows lefties to dance around and obfuscate the financial picture and somehow suggest that if we increase taxes on the rich things will get better for the poor or middle class. It simply doesn't work that way

[myata]

The higher the stupidity factor is the sooner the reality may dawn on some. No such guarantee of course but there may still be hope for some.

[myata]

11 hours ago, myata said:

Mafia bosses are routinely elected in third world politics. Big buck rules and flaunts it at whim. These are facts.

And the rule of law of course. That is, it's absence. Done, move on.

[Aristides]

11 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

I love how liberals suddenly realize that taxes are always paid by the end user. Corporations pass on taxes. The rich pass on taxes. I pass my taxes own to my employer. Our customers pay my taxes. So the higher the taxes are, the more expensive things are.

Yes and tariffs are a tax so what is your point?

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Yes and tariffs are a tax so what is your point?

Higher taxes are bad.

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Higher taxes are bad.

Well Trump says you are about to get them.

[Aristides]

https://economics.td.com/ca-canada-us-trade-balance

[myata]

13 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Higher taxes are bad.

Is that a glimpse of intelligence yet? Sure, and you're going to get them because what you thought babbling of the lying buffoon was guaranteed to be free? I hope if he proceeds with the bluster we would be able to multiply them for you very nicely, so that no stone in stimulating the return to the thinking senses is left unturned. That's what true friends are for after all, isn't it?

Edited January 23 by myata

[gatomontes99]

27 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Well Trump says you are about to get them.

Ah, but will we?

Taxes are paid by the end user. But uneven taxes are bad for those that are taxed. If you tax foreign imports, the imports either become more costly and less competitive of they become less profitable. Either way, the high taxes benefit the domestic business.

[gatomontes99]

25 minutes ago, myata said:

Is that a glimpse of intelligence yet? Sure, and you're going to get them because what you thought babbling of the lying buffoon was guaranteed to be free? I hope if he proceeds with the bluster we would be able to multiply them for you very nicely, so that no stone in stimulating the return to the thinking senses is left unturned. That's what true friends are for after all, isn't it?

Can someone translate this?

[Aristides]

30 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Ah, but will we?

Taxes are paid by the end user. But uneven taxes are bad for those that are taxed. If you tax foreign imports, the imports either become more costly and less competitive of they become less profitable. Either way, the high taxes benefit the domestic business.

Tariffs are paid by the consumer, not the seller. They don't benefit domestic business if they are paying tariffs on the goods from their suppliers. If you take out energy imports, the US has a substantial goods and services trade surplus with Canada. If Canada applies tariffs, that surplus will be in jeopardy.

Edited January 23 by Aristides

[Five of swords]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Not hate speech. Its weird how you stalinists think calling a man who dresses like a woman a man is 'hate speech" but don't believe "canada must be destroyed" isn't somehow hate speech.

They're making calls for actual criminal activity. That's hate speech even by the right's definition.  But if jordan peterson suggests we shoudn't be forced to call biological men 'women' or someone suggests the covid vaccine isn't safe, then that person should burn in hell and the police must be dispatched immediately

I think Trump supporters would be fine with saying kill all palestinians

[Black Dog]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Not hate speech. Its weird how you stalinists think calling a man who dresses like a woman a man is 'hate speech" but don't believe "canada must be destroyed" isn't somehow hate speech.

Canada isn't a person, hope that helps!

 

[gatomontes99]

29 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Tariffs are paid by the consumer, not the seller.

Yes, they are but...

29 minutes ago, Aristides said:

They don't benefit domestic business if they are paying tariffs on the goods from their suppliers.

The tariffs are an added cost. That gives the domestic businesses a cost advantage.

31 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If you take out energy imports, the US has a substantial goods and services trade surplus with Canada. If Canada applies tariffs, that surplus will be in jeopardy.

Nope. Price elasticity.

You probably need more than 2 words.

Where would the domestic goods come from? Can Canada just start up massive amounts of manufacturing to adapt to the new economic climate? Probably not. Therefore, the US exporters to Canada can drive up the cost of their goods to Canadians. There will be some loss of volume, but the over all numbers will still look good for us.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

Can someone translate this?

I used my secret decoder ring.  It says "be sure to drink your ovaltine" .    I mean.... its gotta mean SOMEthing?

[myata]

The lesson to the world: we need to look for, build and develop more reliable partnerships. This one country and society went into some crisis, will it get back to its senses and when no one could tell and in the condition that it is now, it just cannot be dealt with as a serious and reliable partner. This kind of attics just doesn't go away without a trace.

[gatomontes99]

9 minutes ago, myata said:

The lesson to the world: we need to look for, build and develop more reliable partnerships. This one country and society went into some crisis, will it get back to its senses and when no one could tell and in the condition that it is now, it just cannot be dealt with as a serious and reliable partner. This kind of attics just doesn't go away without a trace.

You don't speak English for a first language, do you? Is it French?

[myata]

Dumb escape and what else ohoh.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

I think Trump supporters would be fine with saying kill all palestinians

Well first off while I'm sure some would I think the majority would be against wholesale slaughter of Palestinians everywhere across the world. If you narrowed it to Hamas or something like that they might very well advocate complete destruction, and perhaps even a small number would be okay with wiping out Gaza once and for all. But not all Palestinians everywhere.

And number two, if they did they sure as hell wouldn't announce it in a Palestinian state  And if they did and the Palestinians there killed them I think most people would be like well, you kind of asked for that    

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

Yes, they are but...

The tariffs are an added cost. That gives the domestic businesses a cost advantage.

Nope. Price elasticity.

You probably need more than 2 words.

Where would the domestic goods come from? Can Canada just start up massive amounts of manufacturing to adapt to the new economic climate? Probably not. Therefore, the US exporters to Canada can drive up the cost of their goods to Canadians. There will be some loss of volume, but the over all numbers will still look good for us.

Higher cost US items would make those from Asia and Europe more attractive. It would also encourage US manufactures to set up branch plants in Canada for the Canadian market as before NAFTA You aren’t the only show in town.

[Legato]

14 minutes ago, myata said:

Dumb escape and what else ohoh.

Cheer up myata, I'm sure there is someone who will light a candle for you.

Even the orange duck would do so if asked nicely

[gatomontes99]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Higher cost US items would make those from Asia and Europe more attractive. It would also encourage US manufactures to set up branch plants in Canada for the Canadian market as before NAFTA You aren’t the only show in town.

It would. But would those vendors be willing to send their products to you at the lower price point? They aren't there now for a reason. They are probably more profitable in other countries.

[Legato]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Higher cost US items would make those from Asia and Europe more attractive. It would also encourage US manufactures to set up branch plants in Canada for the Canadian market as before NAFTA You aren’t the only show in town.

That's a good point. I'm not sure how it would affect energy markets as that alone accounts for 33% of our exports to the US. That and the auto industry.

[Aristides]

28 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

It would. But would those vendors be willing to send their products to you at the lower price point? They aren't there now for a reason. They are probably more profitable in other countries.

Their prices would be more competitive with US products. A tariff war will be bad for consumers in both countries.