Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 3 hours ago, ironstone said: I did watch the video of Musk and of course it's not a nazi salute. Only a complete fool would dare even suggest that that it was. Just happens to look exactly like one and not a wave, so sure, man. Quote
ironstone Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 18 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Just happens to look exactly like one and not a wave, so sure, man. If you watched the actual video and still think that he gave a nazi salute, then you are truly delusional. 1 Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
eyeball Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 hour ago, ironstone said: Musk is no Hitler. Even suggesting that is an insult to the very few remaining Holocaust survivors. Musk is the one suggesting Trump is Hitler. And $10 says once the bromance between these two runs it's short course Trump will point to the inappropriateness of Musk's salute as one of the reasons its off. Remember you heard that here first. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Radiorum Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 I think the question is not “Did Musk make the Nazi salute?” but instead “Does Musk think he can get away with making the Nazi salute?” The answer would be yes. The Nazi ideology is just that – an ideology (although a vile and odious one) – and Trump and Musk are not persons who adhere to an ideology. They have both demonstrated their pragmatic nature – willing to sway in the political winds. If Musk made a Nazi salute, it would not be for ideological reasons, but to shout, “nothing can constrain me.” Heck, the EU tried to impose its own laws on Musk and Vance stepped in and ordered the EU to leave Musk alone or “we’re going to pull out of NATO.” These are men who are extremely puffed up with their own power. Here we have the most powerful man in the world and the richest man in the world (although in reality Putin is probably richer) – who are driven by one instinct – to gain more power for themselves. And flaunt it. If Musk made the Nazi salute, it would be to say, “I can do anything. Look what I can get away with.” Not because he adhered to the Nazi ideology (his support for the far-right AfD notwithstanding), although he understood that the salute would appeal to some diehard Trump supporters. And now they have a Secretary of Defense who is willing to get his hands dirty. And the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers who have already demonstrated that they are willing to resort to violence to show their loyalty to the Dear Leader. And a tech industry willing to kiss Trump’s ring. All without a shred of ethics amongst them. These are troubling times. The issue is not a gesture Musk made, but the concentration of power in the hands of those who only have their own interests at heart. 1 1 Quote
User Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 36 minutes ago, Radiorum said: These are troubling times. The issue is not a gesture Musk made, but the concentration of power in the hands of those who only have their own interests at heart. Same old leftist rhetoric. Musk "power" comes from making things that improve society. It is a mutually beneficial relationship. People like and buy his products because they want to. Musk makes tunnels to improve lives. His interest in going to Mars is for humanity's sake. The technology coming from this will only serve to improve all of our lives and he has revolutionized the entire way we think of putting valuable assets into space far more efficiently. 11 hours ago, Black Dog said: Just happens to look exactly like one and not a wave, so sure, man. Yeah, no one is denying that it looks like one. What we are saying is that anyone with half a brain or someone with a shred of integrity that is not some leftist partisan hack like you, understands it was clearly not one. Quote
Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 (edited) 14 hours ago, ironstone said: If you watched the actual video and still think that he gave a nazi salute, then you are truly delusional. The actual video makes it look more like a Nazi salute than the still images lol. 2 hours ago, User said: Same old leftist rhetoric. Musk "power" comes from making things that improve society. It is a mutually beneficial relationship. People like and buy his products because they want to. Musk makes tunnels to improve lives. His interest in going to Mars is for humanity's sake. The technology coming from this will only serve to improve all of our lives and he has revolutionized the entire way we think of putting valuable assets into space far more efficiently. LOL Musk does shit to make money and be famous, 90% of what he does has no benefit to humanity. WTF do we need tunnels with individual cars for? Why do we need to go to Mars? Also his cars are junk and getting worse the deeper he gets into drugs and politics. Quote Yeah, no one is denying that it looks like one. You did. You said "It was clearly a very awkward wave out to the side as he was thanking people from his heart... that is where his hand started, was over his heart." Quote What we are saying is that anyone with half a brain or someone with a shred of integrity that is not some leftist partisan hack like you, understands it was clearly not one. Lol says the guy who refuses to consider the gesture in the context of Musk's known association with the extreme far right. Edited January 23 by Black Dog Quote
User Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 51 minutes ago, Black Dog said: You did. You said "It was clearly a very awkward wave out to the side as he was thanking people from his heart... that is where his hand started, was over his heart." How are you this dumb? Saying something looks like something is not saying it is something. 52 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Lol says the guy who refuses to consider the gesture in the context of Musk's known association with the extreme far right. The "extreme far right" are not all nazi's and you have offered no known association linking him to anything related to being a Nazi or supporting them. Quote
Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, User said: How are you this dumb? Saying something looks like something is not saying it is something. The point here, dummy, is you couldn't even bring yourself to admit there was a resemblance until like 9 pages into this thread, instead pretending it was some sort of obvious wave. And now you're backtracking. Quote The "extreme far right" are not all nazi's and you have offered no known association linking him to anything related to being a Nazi or supporting them. lol come on jack Musk urges Germans to vote for AfD in latest involvement in European politics Elon Musk agrees with antisemitic X post that claims Jews ‘push hatred’ against White people Verified pro-Nazi X accounts flourish under Elon Musk Quote
ironstone Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 4 hours ago, Radiorum said: I think the question is not “Did Musk make the Nazi salute?” but instead “Does Musk think he can get away with making the Nazi salute?” The answer would be yes. The Nazi ideology is just that – an ideology (although a vile and odious one) – and Trump and Musk are not persons who adhere to an ideology. They have both demonstrated their pragmatic nature – willing to sway in the political winds. If Musk made a Nazi salute, it would not be for ideological reasons, but to shout, “nothing can constrain me.” Heck, the EU tried to impose its own laws on Musk and Vance stepped in and ordered the EU to leave Musk alone or “we’re going to pull out of NATO.” These are men who are extremely puffed up with their own power. Here we have the most powerful man in the world and the richest man in the world (although in reality Putin is probably richer) – who are driven by one instinct – to gain more power for themselves. And flaunt it. If Musk made the Nazi salute, it would be to say, “I can do anything. Look what I can get away with.” Not because he adhered to the Nazi ideology (his support for the far-right AfD notwithstanding), although he understood that the salute would appeal to some diehard Trump supporters. And now they have a Secretary of Defense who is willing to get his hands dirty. And the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers who have already demonstrated that they are willing to resort to violence to show their loyalty to the Dear Leader. And a tech industry willing to kiss Trump’s ring. All without a shred of ethics amongst them. These are troubling times. The issue is not a gesture Musk made, but the concentration of power in the hands of those who only have their own interests at heart. I don't recall you guys complaining about George Soros. Or Zuckerberg or Bezos when they were working with the Democrats before this. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
User Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 10 minutes ago, Black Dog said: The point here, dummy, is you couldn't even bring yourself to admit there was a resemblance until like 9 pages into this thread, instead pretending it was some sort of obvious wave. And now you're backtracking. We were never arguing about the resemblance initially. It is quite obvious that what he was doing was waving from his heart. I am not backtracking, you are just getting dumber. 12 minutes ago, Black Dog said: lol come on jack "known association" You are once again an id1ot. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 4 hours ago, Radiorum said: I think the question is not “Did Musk make the Nazi salute?” but instead “Does Musk think he can get away with making the Nazi salute?” The answer would be yes. The Nazi ideology is just that – an ideology (although a vile and odious one) – and Trump and Musk are not persons who adhere to an ideology. They have both demonstrated their pragmatic nature – willing to sway in the political winds. If Musk made a Nazi salute, it would not be for ideological reasons, but to shout, “nothing can constrain me.” Heck, the EU tried to impose its own laws on Musk and Vance stepped in and ordered the EU to leave Musk alone or “we’re going to pull out of NATO.” These are men who are extremely puffed up with their own power. Here we have the most powerful man in the world and the richest man in the world (although in reality Putin is probably richer) – who are driven by one instinct – to gain more power for themselves. And flaunt it. If Musk made the Nazi salute, it would be to say, “I can do anything. Look what I can get away with.” Not because he adhered to the Nazi ideology (his support for the far-right AfD notwithstanding), although he understood that the salute would appeal to some diehard Trump supporters. And now they have a Secretary of Defense who is willing to get his hands dirty. And the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers who have already demonstrated that they are willing to resort to violence to show their loyalty to the Dear Leader. And a tech industry willing to kiss Trump’s ring. All without a shred of ethics amongst them. These are troubling times. The issue is not a gesture Musk made, but the concentration of power in the hands of those who only have their own interests at heart. Ahh so it wasn't a "nazi" salute, it was a narcissist salute LOLOL With those kinds of mental gymnastics you should try out for the olympics Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 Just now, User said: We were never arguing about the resemblance initially. Oh bullshit, the resemblance is the crux of the issue! If he had held his arm out and waved like a normal person, this discussion wouldn't be happening but instead he went full "blood and soil" with it Quote It is quite obvious that what he was doing was waving from his heart. Except he forgot about the waving part. Quote I am not backtracking, you are just getting dumber. You're backtracking and it's hilarious. Oh and i notice your silent on the content of my links connecting Musk to the far right. Quote
ironstone Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 There is also a photo posted above of Obama, Harris, Warren and Hillary Clinton also waving in the same manner. Nobody is suggesting that they are giving a nazi salute and that they must therefore be nazis. They are just waving and that's it. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
User Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Black Dog said: Oh bullshit, the resemblance is the crux of the issue! If he had held his arm out and waved like a normal person, this discussion wouldn't be happening but instead he went full "blood and soil" with it Yes, you are espousing BS. If you have now reduced your argument to, OMG, it looked like a Nazi salute, but clearly wasn't, then I agree. 2 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Except he forgot about the waving part. How did his arm get extend outward and towards the audience if it was not waved you complete dishonest mor0n. 3 minutes ago, Black Dog said: You're backtracking and it's hilarious. Oh and i notice your silent on the content of my links connecting Musk to the far right. No backtracking here at all. My position remains steadfastly the same. You are just getting more pathetically desperate in your dishonest comments. Quote
Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 minute ago, ironstone said: There is also a photo posted above of Obama, Harris, Warren and Hillary Clinton also waving in the same manner. Nobody is suggesting that they are giving a nazi salute and that they must therefore be nazis. They are just waving and that's it. Horseshit. Post an actual video, let's see the similarities. 1 Quote
Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 (edited) 3 minutes ago, User said: Yes, you are espousing BS. If you have now reduced your argument to, OMG, it looked like a Nazi salute, but clearly wasn't, then I agree. No I maintain the reason it looked so much like a Nazi salute was becaus eit was one. Quote How did his arm get extend outward and towards the audience if it was not waved you complete dishonest mor0n. Holy shit, do know what a "wave" is at all? You wave by moving the hand or arm from side to side or up and down, not sticking it straight out and holding it there. Quote No backtracking here at all. My position remains steadfastly the same. You are just getting more pathetically desperate in your dishonest comments. Yeah you're nothing if not consistently stupid and pathetic. But yes, you are backtracking from refusing to acknowledge the resemblance to a Nazi salute and claiming anyone who thinks it could be interpreted as such was wrong to know acknowledging it does look like one (because it was). Edited January 23 by Black Dog Quote
ironstone Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Horseshit. Post an actual video, let's see the similarities. If you can't grasp what is clearly obvious here, there is nothing I can do about it. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 Just now, ironstone said: If you can't grasp what is clearly obvious here, there is nothing I can do about it. So you can't post a video showing Obama, Harris, Warren and Hillary Clinton making the same kind of gesture? Could that be because you're as full of shit as a Coachella portapotty on Day 3? Quote
Venandi Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 (edited) Where does this end, I can't keep up with the madness... apparently the OK hand gesture is now a white supremacist hate symbol, who knew eh? What's a civilian ACUC or PADI diver to do now? Not sure about BSAC but I think they use it too. Should we start with burning the training manuals or do we go directly to jailing dive masters? Gasp.... maybe Trump will pardon the offenders, there's a new thread for ya. You go Joe! Edited January 23 by Venandi Quote
Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 10 minutes ago, Venandi said: Where does this end, I can't keep up with the madness... apparently the OK hand gesture is now a white supremacist hate symbol, who knew eh? What's a civilian ACUC or PADI diver to do now? Not sure about BSAC but I think they use it too. Should we start with burning the training manuals or do we go directly to jailing dive masters? Gasp.... maybe Trump will pardon the offenders, there's a new thread for ya. Have you ever heard of this thing called "context"? 1 Quote
Venandi Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 11 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Have you ever heard of this thing called "context"? I've been through the entire thread looking for it.... I'll let ya know if there's a confirmed sighting. 1 Quote
Venandi Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 30 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Have you ever heard of this thing called "context"? Hey Doggie, I can work that diving signal for decent too... look waaaaay up Rusty. And keep up the good work BTW, you Roboduh and Herb are exactly what Trump needs right now. Quote
Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, Venandi said: Hey Doggie, I can work that diving signal for decent too... look waaaaay up Rusty. And keep up the good work BTW, you Roboduh and Herb are exactly what Trump needs right now. uh..ok *backs away slowly* Quote
eyeball Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: Oh and i notice your silent on the content of my links connecting Musk to the far right. It's the same with anything that connects Einstein and his criticism of Jewish terrorists to the creation of Israel. He can't bring himself to touch it with a ten foot pole. It's a wonder Israel hasn't canceled Einstein and torn down statues to him. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Radiorum Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 2 hours ago, ironstone said: you guys What "you guys"? There's only me. Quote
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