herbie Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 This is how the Internet has empowered to totally insane. "Left wing" bank directors. Die hard defenders of capitalism condemning the people who try to make it run smooth as evil conspirators. Portraying anti-social behaviour as an inalienable personal freedom. Inability to distinguish advice from a decree, comprehend beyond three word mantras, accept slogans as truths. Insisting anything or anyone that doesn't work or agree 100% is the enemy. To use their own words, that is why we can't have nice things.anymore. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 3 hours ago, herbie said: This is how the Internet has empowered to totally insane. "Left wing" bank directors. Die hard defenders of capitalism condemning the people who try to make it run smooth as evil conspirators. I know you don't get a lot of education living under a rock and all But yeah these days the ultra rich are more likely to be lefties. Bill gates. Huge leftie now. Soros. not exactly a right winger. Hoffman (not the actor), Hastings, Sanberg, khosla, Bankman-fried , etc etc etc etc many others are the same. They get hyper rich and then it becomes fashionable for them to virtue signal to the rest of the world about what incredible humanitarians they are, now that they've become insanely wealthy And he's not a capitalist, hes a BANKER. He just moves people's money around. He doesnt' care about capitalism he makes money if the capitalists OR the communists are spending. He's been on the international environmental group's board for ages. But i love that you're not just too stupid to know that, you're stupid enough to shout about how you don't know that Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
NAME REMOVED Posted January 27 Author Report Posted January 27 Liberal Party leads in Ontario for 1st time in 2 years. Quote
Politics1990 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Liberal Party leads in Ontario for 1st time in 2 years. the elon musk endorcement for pp has tanked the cons lead lol still leading but ye getting dangerously close to only a minority win in pollsf or them 1 Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted January 27 Author Report Posted January 27 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Politics1990 said: the elon musk endorcement for pp has tanked the cons lead lol still leading but ye getting dangerously close to only a minority win in pollsf or them That imbecile cannot grasp the fact that he is one of the most despised men of this Century, and that his endorsement of PP, will help the Liberals. The more Trump issues threats and intimidation tactics towards Canada, the worse the Conservatives fortunes will be. The most obvious example would be see how other Conservatives have tried to appease Trump. O'Leary, a former Conservative leadership Candidate, is now regarded as the most hated man in the nation. Even Albertans are turning on Smith. Stockwell Day, former leader of the Alliance (Conservative Party), has openly praised the idea of becoming the 51st state. When Trump speaks negative about Canada, the Liberal Party will be the main beneficiaries. Edited January 27 by DUI_Offender 1 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 On 1/23/2025 at 5:38 PM, Army Guy said: It doesn't really matter whom they chose, unless some miracle happens the liberals are not going to be in the race at all...how bad their loss will be is only a matter of time....And if Carney was smart he would not be running this time, and have his name attached to such a huge loss...he would be way smarter to wait a couple of months and try and build his party in his image.... It matters to every MP that the party makes the best possible pitch it can to save their seat. I expect the newly elected leader to stay in place - the loss is on Trudeau, not them - which is why I’m a little concerned with Carney. He’s hardly a meat and potatoes type who will relish endlessly touring the country to rebuild the party. And there’s the issue of age which is a preoccupation of mine. As an older person myself, I am decidedly ageist about politicians because I can see the effects close up. Carney will be well into his sixties before he gets another chance to be PM. That’s too old in my book. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Liberal Party leads in Ontario for 1st time in 2 years. Before you get to excited...here are some other polls. and note i included your source which does not bear anything of what you said... National the cons are at 44.4 %of the vote Liberals are only at 22.5... In Ontario Cons are 45.6 of the vote, Liberals are only 28.3 https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/ https://338canada.com/ Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Before you get to excited...here are some other polls. and note i included your source which does not bear anything of what you said... National the cons are at 44.4 %of the vote Liberals are only at 22.5... In Ontario Cons are 45.6 of the vote, Liberals are only 28.3 https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/ https://338canada.com/ Yes, I see there is a major effort in the small liberal circles of diehards on the internet to try and convince themselves that they still have some sort of chance of a victory. It's true that in politics anything is possible, you never know. But the polling numbers they're throwing around simply aren't true. Also it's worth noting that both Kim Campbell and Kamala Harris enjoyed what appeared to be a big huge bump in the polls after their short leadership runs directly before an election. Didn't work out so well And there's a Component that has not been talked about much. The liberals are hoping that Kearney will be a new white knight who will inspire people to vote for him just by his mere existence. Much like they felt with Ignatieff back in the day. However, Campaigns matter. A good campaign can raise a party in the polls by 5:00 or 6% where is a bad campaign could leave that same party in the hole by 10 or more. We have seen it many many times Poilievre is an absolutely expert campaigner. He is extremely organized as we have seen. He ran a brutally effective and tight ship during the leadership race, since then his strategies and execution have been absolutely top of the line and he took the conservatives from about 34% all the way up to 43 or 44%, occasionally spiking even higher than that. He's known about Kearney for some time and his people will have been preparing every scrap of information they need to prepare a solid campaign as to why Carnie is absolutely useless and at the same time they've had ages to prepare a campaign to show why polievre Is an excellent choice. Carney will not be strong in the election. He has no experience whatsoever, his past interactions with Poilievre show that he is not well suited for debating him, he won't be able to think on his feet so he will not react quickly as the campaign flows. And he will have a difficult time countering some of the criticisms against him. Not to mention the fact that the liberals are completely disheartened and many of them who cannot bring themselves to vote for another party will simply stay home and it will be hard as hell to motivate them especially with the gap in the polls that we see On the other hand Poilievre has already had just about every negative thing said about him and none of it will be new. And people have already accepted that and are prepared for him to be the next prime minister. He is a long time veteran of many campaigns and has watched campaigns both successful and unsuccessful. The rise in the conservative party proves that he has what it takes to make a good campaign The only real question is how bad are the lips going to lose. My estimate at this time would be that they will walk away with somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 seats. That will be pretty horrible for them Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
August1991 Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 I have not read this thread. Carney may have the money/caucus support. I would not be surprised if she wins. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 30 minutes ago, August1991 said: I have not read this thread. Carney may have the money/caucus support. I would not be surprised if she wins. Carney is a he. It's not just the caucus in the money, the liberals and their core supporters are always huge fans of the white knight riding in to save the party, and he appears to fit that bill for them. They see Freeland is part of the establishment as much as she is trying desperately to set herself up as anything but and they think he will ride in and rescue them from their horrible track record. When conservatives losing election they tend to self-reflect and ask themselves what needs to change about the party and the leader in order to move forward. The liberals do not do that, what they do is they immediately search for a Messiah who can convince the public that the party is new and fresh ride to victory on a wave of popularity. Which is exactly what happened with Justin. But Justin was kind of a one in a million situation for them. But they're hoping to recreate it with carney. Interestingly Freeland is still polling as being more likely to win a general election, but I am pretty sure she will lose the leadership race handily and the liberals will put forward carney as their new savior and claim the entire party is revised even though he will basically have to hire the same cabinet ministers as Trudeau had Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
August1991 Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: Carney is a he. ... I was referring to Freeland winning. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 Just now, August1991 said: I was referring to Freeland winning. If you're referring to someone, you might want to mention their name at some point especially if you've been talking about someone else up to that point. But she won't win for the reasons i've mentioned. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
August1991 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 On 1/29/2025 at 2:32 AM, CdnFox said: If you're referring to someone, you might want to mention their name at some point especially if you've been talking about someone else up to that point. But she won't win for the reasons i've mentioned. Looking at the current numbers, she will lose. Agreed. Quote
betsy Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 Forget the race! It's really only FREELAND vs CARNEY...............and CARNEY is Trudeau's "chosen one" to succeed him. All the other contenders will drop out, and throw their supprt on Carney. We already had one dropping out and supporting Carney! Carney will be the leader of Trudeau's Liberal Party. The race is just a way to buy some time. Quote
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