Dougie93 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 18 minutes ago, robosmith said: Go back to sleep, IGNORAMUS. you're only upset because you are losing the war, Commies cry me a river Quote
godzilla Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 1 minute ago, User said: There is no splitting of hairs. All you have to do is say you were wrong. Is it still splitting hairs for you between 1.5 and 10? Wealth is not a static number. If your wealth goes up by 20,000 dollars and the wealth of Musk goes up by 200 Billion dollars, both of you had your wealth increase. So what does saying the gap is bigger prove here? Would you feel better if your wealth only went up 1,000 dollars and Musks went up 100 Billion? That is a smaller wealth gap. i'm sorry i'm wrong about the top corporate tax rate. it was not cut by 50%. it was cut by 40%. yes, i am taking the overall reduction in revenue from the Trump tax cuts from the worst case scenarios. feel free to supply best case numbers. whatever the number is... its not paid for. and the poorest did not get any advantage according to the CBO and JCT. it actually cost them. and again, i'm sorry that you don't know what i mean by "wealth gap". does "wealth distribution" work? see how the bottom 50% get NOTHING? Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 17 minutes ago, robosmith said: Us woke are not hurting you or ANYONE your Marxist Leninist lunacy is only harming your own prospects it's not my fault if you choose to cut your own political throats die in a fire, burn in Hell after, Communist traitors me & Dutch Reagan are simply moving on without you Quote
godzilla Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: you're only upset because you are losing the war, Commies cry me a river you're an old white guy. i know because those are the only people who still believe in the communist boogey man. Edited January 10 by godzilla Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, godzilla said: you're an old white guy. i know because those are the only people who still believe in the communist boogey man. we old white guys still run the world. Go ahead and stew about it, Communist traitors, knock yourselves out Quote
godzilla Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: we old white guys still run the world. Go ahead and stew about it, Communist traitors, knock yourselves out i agree. thus proving my point. that you are a member of a tyrannical cult. and uneducated and thus... poor. one of the cults minions. Edited January 10 by godzilla Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, godzilla said: i agree. thus proving my point that democracy is dead and that YOU are the communist. well I was raised by my parents to be a Communist my Boomer mother would be so pleased to hear you say that Hasta la victoria siempre, Commandante ! Quote
robosmith Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 26 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: you're only upset because you are losing the war, Commies cry me a river There's no war here, your fantasies notwithstanding.... Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 1 minute ago, robosmith said: There's no war here, your fantasies notwithstanding.... don't be naive this is the Guerrilla Information War exactly as predicted by Canadian public intellectual Marshall McLuhan in 1970 Quote
robosmith Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 22 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: your Marxist Leninist lunacy is only harming your own prospects it's not my fault if you choose to cut your own political throats die in a fire, burn in Hell after, Communist traitors me & Dutch Reagan are simply moving on without you You're confused. There is NOTHING WOKE about "Marxist Leninist" Trump has DESTROYED Reagan's legacy thanks to your fellow RepubliCONS. LMAO 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: don't be naive this is the Guerrilla Information War exactly as predicted by Canadian public intellectual Marshall McLuhan in 1970 You Canucks keep proving your IGNORANCE about the USA. Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 1 minute ago, robosmith said: You're confused. There is NOTHING WOKE about "Marxist Leninist" Trump has DESTROYED Reagan's legacy thanks to your fellow RepubliCONS. LMAO You Canucks keep proving your IGNORANCE about the USA. well certainly the 20th century Communists would have had all you blue haired gender ideologists shot but with the downfall of the Soviet Union, you leftist lunatics had to find another reason to exist, which is Woke tho not only am I an American citizen, but I am also far more knowledgeable about American history than you are reality check, as a Woke Progressive lunatic, you are actually far more Canadian than I am and nothing is more LMFAO therein, than you clowns losing an election to Donald Trump, twice Quote
robosmith Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: well certainly the 20th century Communists would have had all you blue haired gender ideologists shot but with the downfall of the Soviet Union, you leftist lunatics had to find another reason to exist, which is Woke tho not only am I an American citizen, but I am also far more knowledgeable about American history than you are reality check, as a Woke Progressive lunatic, you are actually far more Canadian than I am and nothing is more LMFAO therein, than you clowns losing an election to Donald Trump, twice Trump won due to aid from TWO of the wealthiest men on Earth. ILLEGALLY with Putin AND CORRUPTLY with Musk, thanks to Citizens United which removed ALL spending limitations, so Musk BOUGHT the election for the pauper Trump. Can't get more corrupt and laughable than "money is speech" 🤮 Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 1 minute ago, robosmith said: Trump won due to aid from TWO of the wealthiest men on Earth. ILLEGALLY with Putin AND CORRUPTLY with Musk, thanks to Citizens United which removed ALL spending limitations, so Musk BOUGHT the election for the pauper Trump. Can't get more corrupt and laughable than "money is speech" 🤮 First Amendment FTW suck it, you wannabe Canadian Communist traitors hang yourselves with your own Marxist Leninist rope, by all means don't mind me, while I dance a jig on your political graves Quote
godzilla Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: First Amendment FTW suck it, you wannabe Canadian Communist traitors hang yourselves with your own Marxist Leninist rope, by all means don't mind me, while I dance a jig on your political graves Orson Welles was a progressive. Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 14 minutes ago, godzilla said: Orson Welles was a progressive. I do have a soft spot for Orson Welles my father & I look exactly like him pretty sure we are related somehow none the less, if you went to Orson Welles with the kook ideology of the Democrat party today ? even as a progressive, he would call for you all to be shot, as the illiberal totalitarian lunatics that you are that's the thing; you don't even have the left onside anymore, you scumbag degenerate Groomers ever since Justin Trudeau has resigned ; even the Liberals in Canada are abandoning you even the Liberals in Canada know ; the Commie traitors are going down in flames Edited January 10 by Dougie93 Quote
User Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 54 minutes ago, godzilla said: yes, i am taking the overall reduction in revenue from the Trump tax cuts from the worst case scenarios. feel free to supply best case numbers. whatever the number is... its not paid for. So which is it? Was it 10 Trillion or 1.5? 54 minutes ago, godzilla said: and the poorest did not get any advantage according to the CBO and JCT. it actually cost them. That is not what that chart is showing. That is also some voodoo math based on the repeal of the ACA individual mandate, that somehow not forcing people to get health insurance or face a penalty... would then increase premiums by a marginal amount for others... who are still not forced to buy into the ACA. If you have a problem with Obamacare, then blame it, not that people are not forced by threat of taxes to buy it. Either way, we have gone a long way from your original false assertions here about only the rich benefiting. 1 hour ago, godzilla said: and again, i'm sorry that you don't know what i mean by "wealth gap". does "wealth distribution" work? I know what you mean, I am telling you it is meaningless without more context. I offered you an example of that, but you ignored it. So, once again... what is better? Is it better that your wealth increases by 20,000 dollars with Musks wealth increasing by 200 billion or is it better that his wealth only goes up 100 billion and yours goes up 1,000? The point is that if everyone has more wealth, what does it matter if some have more as a percentage? Wealth is not static. 1 hour ago, godzilla said: see how the bottom 50% get NOTHING? That is not what your chart shows. Quote
godzilla Posted January 11 Author Report Posted January 11 (edited) 28 minutes ago, User said: So which is it? Was it 10 Trillion or 1.5? That is not what that chart is showing. That is also some voodoo math based on the repeal of the ACA individual mandate, that somehow not forcing people to get health insurance or face a penalty... would then increase premiums by a marginal amount for others... who are still not forced to buy into the ACA. If you have a problem with Obamacare, then blame it, not that people are not forced by threat of taxes to buy it. Either way, we have gone a long way from your original false assertions here about only the rich benefiting. I know what you mean, I am telling you it is meaningless without more context. I offered you an example of that, but you ignored it. So, once again... what is better? Is it better that your wealth increases by 20,000 dollars with Musks wealth increasing by 200 billion or is it better that his wealth only goes up 100 billion and yours goes up 1,000? The point is that if everyone has more wealth, what does it matter if some have more as a percentage? Wealth is not static. That is not what your chart shows. the 1.5 was a typo. you give me a number. whats the number that Trump tax cuts remove from federal revenues? i never said that ONLY the rich benefit. the rich benefited the MOST. by far. who else got a 40% cut in their tax rate? concentration of money in few hands means concentration of power. concentration of power means a society ruled by oligarchs. concentration of power leads to autocracy. Russia is a great example. wealth inequality is off the map in Russia. and thus, all the pillars of democracy; elections, journalism and the judiciary are all shams. and while this is all fine for the oligarchs. its very bad for the economy. it damages economic sustainability and growth. Russia is the biggest country on the earth, is the second largest oil producer and has an economy the size of Spain. does any of this sound familiar? Trump constantly attacks elections he doesn't win, the media that doesn't praise him, the judiciary that doesn't rule in his favour. all with Musk by his side. his cabinet of billionaires. this is aside from the fact that societies with tighter wealth distributions are happier societies. Edited January 11 by godzilla Quote
CdnFox Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 3 hours ago, godzilla said: well its not my "side" because i'm not Canadian. Story was about trump tho. sooo yeah, it wouldn't be your side if you WERE a canadian Quote its never too late for the urban poor who brought Trump to power to cry when they see their oligarch overlords flying over them in their private jets on their weekly jaunts to Italy to fetch well water to wash their hair. They're not the ones doing the crying Quote i mean, unless he is truly an "emperor with no clothes" and fuks it up with his ridiculous tariff ideas. so far i'm making a killing. Oh you must be one of those evil terrible no good repressive 1 percenters who got rich off of everyone else's work then. I've been expressly told they're the only ones who benefit Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
godzilla Posted January 11 Author Report Posted January 11 15 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Story was about trump tho. sooo yeah, it wouldn't be your side if you WERE a canadian They're not the ones doing the crying Oh you must be one of those evil terrible no good repressive 1 percenters who got rich off of everyone else's work then. I've been expressly told they're the only ones who benefit oh they will be crying when the cuts to the programs they rely on start. i mean, unless they are not successfully convinced that it is necessary in order to fight Woke Culture. in that case, i guess they are celebrating Musk's multiple leaps in wealth! hooray! i'm not a member of the 1%. but i'm doing very well these days off of everyone else's work, thank you. Quote
eyeball Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 6 hours ago, User said: Wealth gap is a meaningless measurement without more context. How about there's only so much to go around? 6 hours ago, User said: It is just leftist language to make it sound bad that someone has more money than you do. No that's just what you righties say to dismiss the concern that bad things happen when economic disparity gets out of control. Especially when it becomes really concentrated in the face of millions of people finding it increasingly difficult to pay for basic necessities. Unmitigated greed is a really ancient social concern. It even has an ecological basis, when the water hole gets smaller the animals get meaner. A similar social cost gives the term a context that's simple for humans to see. Lickspittles throughout time have been using much the same argument you do in defense of their betters. "History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes” – Mark Twain 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 3 hours ago, godzilla said: oh they will be crying when the cuts to the programs they rely on start. i mean, unless they are not successfully convinced that it is necessary in order to fight Woke Culture. in that case, i guess they are celebrating Musk's multiple leaps in wealth! hooray! i'm not a member of the 1%. but i'm doing very well these days off of everyone else's work, thank you. well you should give it back seeing as you disagree with it so much Anywhoo, i'm sure those people will appreciate having the same opportunities as you to get wealthy. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
User Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 5 hours ago, godzilla said: the 1.5 was a typo. you give me a number. whats the number that Trump tax cuts remove from federal revenues? A typo? How do you get 1.5 typo? You would have to mistake a 5 for a zero and insert a . in there. Give me a break. This is your argument, you said 10... so where do you get that from? 5 hours ago, godzilla said: i never said that ONLY the rich benefit. the rich benefited the MOST. by far. who else got a 40% cut in their tax rate? Yes, you did: "the "felon in chief" and GOP's MO is to renew the Trump tax cuts that will add another $10T to the national debt. that $10T going directly into the pockets of the richest Americans." That 40% rate cut was for corporations. A corporation is a business entity, not a rich person. 5 hours ago, godzilla said: concentration of money in few hands means concentration of power. concentration of power means a society ruled by oligarchs. concentration of power leads to autocracy. Good thing we have a Constitutional Republic of a United States with a Bill of Rights. You never answered my question on what is better, you having 20K more or 1K more... I will take that as your conceding that point to me. 1 hour ago, eyeball said: How about there's only so much to go around? Wealth is not static. Why is this concept so hard for leftists? Quote
Hodad Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 1 hour ago, eyeball said: How about there's only so much to go around? No that's just what you righties say to dismiss the concern that bad things happen when economic disparity gets out of control. Especially when it becomes really concentrated in the face of millions of people finding it increasingly difficult to pay for basic necessities. Unmitigated greed is a really ancient social concern. It even has an ecological basis, when the water hole gets smaller the animals get meaner. A similar social cost gives the term a context that's simple for humans to see. Lickspittles throughout time have been using much the same argument you do in defense of their betters. "History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes” – Mark Twain That radical liberal, Thomas Jefferson, was deeply concerned about wealth inequality, the creation of a new aristocracy and the threat that would pose to the stability of the nation. His deeply un-American, commie proposal? Progressive taxation. "another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise.” -Thomas Jefferson, 1785 2 1 Quote
eyeball Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 11 hours ago, User said: Wealth is not static. Why is this concept so hard for leftists? Of course wealth is subjective but not the world from which its created. It is finite, it is limited and we can only push so far against those limits. That's the concept you don't seem to understand. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 17 minutes ago, eyeball said: Of course wealth is subjective but not the world from which its created. It is finite, it is limited and we can only push so far against those limits. That's the concept you don't seem to understand. It is finite only in the sense that in some abstract, distant future, we will never see in our lifetime, or generations of lifetimes, finite... like the sun is finite and has about 5 billion years left of life finite, sure. In the meantime, right here and now, wealth is not finite. It is not static. It is created and grows. Just because Musk got more wealth, doesn't mean everyone else has less. Quote
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