A simple solution to reduce the number of murders in Canada

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

So on top of everything you are a big liar too. You are a disgrace to Christianity.

No,  I support Israel.  I simply don't recall saying anywhere we need to send them more arms, which is what you claimed.  

Look in the mirror.

As for Christianity, you don't know the first thing about it.  So how can you be a judge of Christians?  People are either believers in Jesus Christ or they are under the dominion of Satan and his demons.  Which one are you?

[CITIZEN_2015]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No,  I support Israel.  I simply don't recall saying anywhere we need to send them more arms, which is what you claimed.  

Look in the mirror.

As for Christianity, you don't know the first thing about it.  So how can you be a judge of Christians?  People are either believers in Jesus Christ or they are under the dominion of Satan and his demons.  Which one are you?

No you said the West must supply Israel with more lethal weapons and when I objected to your statement then you defended and said (knowing well that I too support Israel), how else they can support themselves from terrorists. 

If you keep denying then I will start a search and find your post of just two months ago and will post it to disgrace you as a liar further no matter how long it may take me to find it.

Edited December 21, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I believe in justice, gender equality, democratic values, freedom of choice and oppose religious fanatism, extremists, leftists and those opposed minority rights (though i do believe people are not equal and certain religion must not be allowed to spread evil on democratic soils) 

You sound like a classic liberal, which is basically anti-Christian and anti-Bible.  That means you are on the side of unregenerate humankind.  You are a lost soul unless you repent and turn to Jesus Christ as your Savior.

Since you understand nothing at all about the Bible or your condition, you should really do some studying before spouting more nonsense.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No you said the West must supply Israel with more lethal weapons and when I objected to your statement then you defended and said (knowing well that I too support Israel), how else they can support themself from terrorists. 

I don't recall that statement.  I am not saying absolutely that I never said it because I don't remember.  You could have been talking to someone else.

The fact is Iran and all the various terrorist groups in the middle east want to destroy Israel and the west must continue to support them with weapons and whatever other support is needed.  This is historically how it has been.  The west must either defend Israel or it will be destroyed.  Do you have a problem with that?

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

You sound like a classic liberal, which is basically anti-Christian and anti-Bible.  That means you are on the side of unregenerate humankind.  You are a lost soul unless you repent and turn to Jesus Christ as your Savior.

Since you understand nothing at all about the Bible or your condition, you should really do some studying before spouting more nonsense.

This is how false you are in your interpretations and judgement. The certain religious spreading evil in my post was not Christianity. 

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

This is how false you are in your interpretations and judgement.

How is what I said false?   You are the one that stated how you reject Christianity and the Bible.  You said it.

The truth is the Bible was written under the inspiration of God.  You have not studied it and don't know anything about it.  Yet you have the nerve to dismiss it.

That is a very dangerous stance to take.   The Bible is dealing with eternity and our souls, nothing to dismiss or take lightly without knowing anything about it.

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 10/11/2024 at 3:12 PM, blackbird said:

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Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly shockingly admitted her riding’s demographics influence her foreign policies and is attempting to bolster her leadership prospects. With that background, she refused to send lethal and even non-lethal weapons to Israel

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

How is what I said false?   You are the one that stated how you reject Christianity and the Bible.  You said it.

The truth is the Bible was written under the inspiration of God.  You have not studied it and don't know anything about it.  Yet you have the nerve to dismiss it.

That is a very dangerous stance to take.   The Bible is dealing with eternity and our souls, nothing to dismiss or take lightly without knowing anything about it.

I have read bible and have taken part in bible studies more than you think and while I don't reject it, however, I don't feel basing my life on it and that is my choice.

[blackbird]

10 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I have read bible and have taken part in bible studies more than you think and while I don't reject it, however, I don't feel basing my life on it and that is my choice.

OK, I stand corrected.  You have finally found the posting I made.  Yes, I disagree with Foreign Affairs Minister Melanie Joly.  I disagree with her statement about not sending military aid to Israel, if that is what she said.

I support Israel.  How else could they continue to survive in a part of world where they are surrounded by hundreds of millions of people who want them destroyed?

You stated your opposition to the Bible earlier and now say you don't reject.  But you also intimate you don't accept it.  There is no middle ground.  One either accepts what the Bible says or they don't.  You say it is your choice not to accept it.  That might be true.  But it means you are in opposition to the one true God, who inspired men to write the Bible and you have not accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior at this point.  You need to study the New Testament so you know what you are making such an eternal decision on.

Edited December 21, 2024 by blackbird

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The fact is Iran and all the various terrorist groups in the middle east want to destroy Israel and the west must continue to support them with weapons and whatever other support is needed.  This is historically how it has been.  The west must either defend Israel or it will be destroyed.  Do you have a problem with that?

Put this way Genesis 9:6 seems more like commandment than a justification for killing.

This would make a conscientious objector a sinner - which aligns with the opinion people have that objectors are traitors or worse.

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

This would make a conscientious objector a sinner - which aligns with the opinion people have that objectors are traitors or worse.

Not sure what you are referring to.   The term "conscientious objector" is a vague general term that could be used for anything one disagrees with.  I is a phrase that seems to be trying to appear righteous.  But if the phrase is used to oppose things that should be done, then it is just a clever way to oppose something but it is illegitimate.

Edited December 21, 2024 by blackbird

[eyeball]

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Not sure what you are referring to.   The term "conscientious objector" is a vague general term that could be used for anything one disagrees with. 

I'm referring to it in the context of supporting a war - it usually means a disagreement with killing, especially when its done with the authorization of a state.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Nothing is perfect in this imperfect world. 

We still give police guns to do their job.  The outcome of their job is not perfect and people get killed occasionally.

Their job is to defend people. Including themselves. Killing people on occasion when they are a threat that can't be addressed any other way is their job. It is not the job of the government to have the power of life and death over its citizens

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

We shouldn't take capital punishment off the table because the justice system is not 100% perfect. 

We absolutely should. Innocent people will be killed by the state in our name. I tell you what, you go put a shotgun to your children and families heads and kill them and come back to me and I'll agree with you that we should risk killing innocent people for the sake of capital punishment. 🙄 No sane man would agree to that, they would not agree to having people they care about killed when they are innocent.

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Convicted murderers still need to receive capital punishment. 

Not even a little bit. It achieves nothing. If you want to lock them up for life with no chance of parole then fine, I'm happy to talk about that at least mistakes can be undone if they're discovered later. But we do not need to kill people at all. And like I said if you're willing to start killing innocent people let's start with your family

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

We don't stop providing specialized medical care because some make mistakes. 

You're not talking about a mistake, you're talking about deliberately killing people. We generally don't provide any unnecessary medical care at all, and it is not necessary in the slightest to kill criminals. We can lock them up for life just as easily and avoid the problems.

 

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

We don't shut down the highways because people get killed on them sometimes. 

We don't let people deliberately crash their cars into others who commit traffic offenses either. That would be extreme and stupid. Just like your proposal. Nor do we remove speed limits just because we know there's going to be some accidents so what the hell might as well make it a free-for-all

You're drawing  a false equivalency. Nobody is talking about shutting down the justice system which would be the comparison you made. But we're saying that excessive and unchangeable and unredeemable actions should be avoided because we know there will be problems.

If you kill a person, there is no remedy. They are dead. If you find out the next day that they really were innocent they're still dead and there's no undoing that. Everything else you mentioned can be corrected or at least mitigated. And if somebody is locked up for life for 15 years and suddenly evidence appears to prove their innocent you can't get the 15 years back but you can at least give the rest of their life back and offer them compensation.

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

In fact if a drunk under influence driver kills someone, he only gets a few years and then he is out free again while his victim is dead and their family suffers.

So lock up drunk drivers longer. What has this got to do with anything? If you don't like the penalties for some of the crimes we have then fine, but that has nothing to do with capital punishment

Argument here is completely devoid of any logic or reason. And it starts off with the false premise that somehow anything less than killing is 'letting them off'.  I daresay 40 years of eating the same food, seeing the same walls and having no freedoms and knowing you will never get out while you think about what you've done is probably worse. 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I will start a search and find your post of just two months ago and will post it to disgrace you as a liar further

No I didn't lie.  I forgot the post regarding Melanie Joly.  I admitted I forgot that.  There are so many comments and posts on here it is impossible for my poor memory to keep up with it.

Anyway here is a video you may want to watch where John Lennox tells how science doesn't explain what you think it does.

Bing Videos

Here is another video that I haven't seen yet but looks interesting.  May watch later.  It is called Iran in the Bible.

Bing Videos

Edited December 21, 2024 by blackbird

[I am Groot]

A simple way to reduce the number of murders in Canada is to deport anyone who wasn't born here who commits a crime and never let them back. We could also put people who commit acts of violence in prison for long periods of time to discourage them from doing progressively more violent acts. Get rid of Gladue and all that garbage about racial sentencing. You do the crime, you do the time. And I don't care if your daddy abandoned you at birth or your grandma went to residential school or you started doing drugs as a kid. You are what you are and that's what we have to deal with.

 

[I am Groot]

On 12/19/2024 at 3:58 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You are weird. Full of contradiction. While you claim to be a practicing Christian but you post and ask the West to provide more lethal weapons to Israel to kill more than 50,000 they already killed in Gaza

Given Islam wants to destroy Christianity - as well as Judaism - I would think it every Christian's duty to support the Israelis who stand at the borders of civilization defending it from the barbarism of Islamic fanatics.

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It is not the job of the government to have the power of life and death over its citizens

Look down through history.  The job of government has always been to maintain law and order and that often has included capital punishment.

Not having capital punishment is just sending the wrong message to society.  It is telling potential murderers they will not lose their life if they murder someone.   They know they might get a number of years in prison if they are caught but they also know the justice system looks at their background, upbringing, race, etc. and is often very lenient.  They believe they stand a good chance of getting out on parole. 

I still haven't figured out how criminals often only have to serve half of their sentence.  This is another message to potential murderers.  All this has to stop and capital punishment brought back.  Humans have a tendency to want to be lenient about capital punishment and not implement it, but that is just what criminals are hoping.  They rely on the softness of a large segment of population.  The system is disaster.

[blackbird]

7 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I have read bible and have taken part in bible studies more than you think and while I don't reject it, however, I don't feel basing my life on it and that is my choice

I just watched an interesting documentary video on the historical connection of Iran as part of the historical Persian empire and the Old Testament.  There are quite a few references to Persia in the Old Testament.  A number of important historical events related to Israel happened.

This video shows the links between Persia (Iran) and the Bible you might find interesting.

Bing Videos

Edited December 22, 2024 by blackbird

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Given Islam wants to destroy Christianity - as well as Judaism - I would think it every Christian's duty to support the Israelis who stand at the borders of civilization defending it from the barbarism of Islamic fanatics.

I don't disagree with this. Where did I say we should support the enemies of Israel?

[CITIZEN_2015]

51 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I just watched an interesting documentary video on the historical connection of Iran as part of the historical Persian empire and the Old Testament.  There are quite a few references to Persia in the Old Testament.  A number of important historical events related to Israel happened.

This video shows the links between Persia (Iran) and the Bible you might find interesting.

Bing Videos

Yes Persia was a civilized powerful empire (Cyrus the great brought in the very first Charter of human rights) before the subhuman Arabs with their barbaric culture violently invaded this empire. Cyrus also freed Jews from Egyptian slavery so there has always been a bond between the Persian people and Israelis. Bi Bi in recent speeches to nation of Iran has promised to pay back the 2500 years old debt and help this slaved nation to free themselves from the evil Islamic Republic.

Edited December 22, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

[Moonlight Graham]

On 12/19/2024 at 3:15 PM, Gaétan said:

Murders are a colateral effect of using money then the way to get rid of murders is to get rid of money.

Money is a collateral effect of people wanting stuff. The way to get rid of murder then is to get rid of people wanting stuff.  Including pretty women and, for the diddlers, small children.

[NAME REMOVED]

On 12/20/2024 at 4:10 PM, Aristides said:

GP Moran, David Milgaard, Claude Paquin, Steven Truscott, Donald Marshall. Just a few of those convicted of 1st degree murder and later found innocent. They would all be dead if you had your way.

In the case of David Milgaard, it was known for years that he probably did not commit the crime. The real killer, Larry Fischer, was renting the basement of a man in Saskatoon Milgaard on two friends went to see. The two friends were coerced, into changing their story to implicate Milgaard.  What is even worse, is that Fischer was a serial rapist, and spent most of his life in prison for brutal rapes he committed.

Milgaard was only 15 when the murder happened, and was not released until 1992, over 23 years later. DNA testing later exonerated him completely, and led to the conviction of Larry Fischer. The Tragically Hip wrote a song about the Milgaard case, called "Wheat Kings."

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Look down through history.  The job of government has always been to maintain law and order and that often has included capital punishment.

And often it has not. And when it has there's no indication there was less crime or that there was doing any better of a job.

But one thing is certain, there is no doubt that every society that had capital punishment killed innocent people. That is unacceptable. That's just the way it is. Unless you're prepared to put your own family on the chopping block first you can't suggest a system that will do it to someone else

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And often it has not. And when it has there's no indication there was less crime or that there was doing any better of a job.

But one thing is certain, there is no doubt that every society that had capital punishment killed innocent people. That is unacceptable. That's just the way it is. Unless you're prepared to put your own family on the chopping block first you can't suggest a system that will do it to someone else

Yes, a percentage of the population oppose the death penalty and probably many for that reason.

In the U.S., which is the only western country that still uses the death penalty, a majority of the population still support it.

"The US is one of 55 countries in the world that still allows the death penalty and is the only western nation to utilize it still. To some, capital punishment seems outdated and barbaric, but to others, it is a crucial aspect of a fair criminal justice system. For perspective on how Americans view the death penalty, as of 2021, 60% favored it and 40% opposed it."

Pros and Cons of the Death Penalty – eLawTalk

Everyone has their opinion on it.  Nobody should get their shirt in a knot over debating it.  It won't change anyone's opinion.  What is needed is concrete reasons that make a lot of sense why one should be for or against it.

Personally, I believe the Bible and believe God teaches that capital punishment is in order for murder in Genesis 9:6.   The idea of the powers that be wielding the sword against evil doers is also supported in the Epistle to the Romans in chapter 13 of the New Testament.  God is completely sovereign over the universe and mankind and completely understands everything concerning right and wrong.  Therefore God is the expert on anything to do with it.  He is our Creator and we should be listening to him first rather than the opinions of men who can't be trusted to have the right answers.  God is also all merciful and just and we should keep that in mind and pay attention to what he has said in his revelation.

The concern that some innocent persons would be unjustly executed is a strong argument against it and deserves serious consideration.  Whether more people are murdered when there is no capital punishment is also something to be considered.  That is, the question of capital punishment serving as a deterrent should be weighed or determined somehow.  Not sure if it is possible to know exactly.  Would we really have all the shootings and stabbings we have if the perpetrators knew they could soon face the death penalty?  What if far more people are murdered when there is no capital punishment than are unjustly convicted and executed?  In such a scenario, are we really better off without capital punishment?  Having more innocent people killed by murderers is not a good trade-off either.

I would like to see the justice system changed somehow to prevent any errors from occurring.  That would probably require major changes and might be complex.  Perhaps some serious enquiries and studies should be done and legislate from there.

 

Edited December 22, 2024 by blackbird

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I don't disagree with this. Where did I say we should support the enemies of Israel?

You were critical of the other poster for wanting the West to continue to supply Israel with lethal weapons because they were (allegedly, according to Hamas) killing too many people.

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You were critical of the other poster for wanting the West to continue to supply Israel with lethal weapons because they were (allegedly, according to Hamas) killing too many people.

It is not allegedly. It is a fact Israeli military has killed thousands of defenseless civilians past 15 months most of them women and children and yes I oppose Israel in doing so. In order to minimize Israeli military casualties they don't send soldiers in to combat hand to hand with terrorists but instead resort to bombardment or missile attacks from a distance hitting schools and hospitals where they very well know there are many civilians there in the hope of killing a few terrorists among them hundreds of defenseless civilians. Everyone should condemn these actions.