Canada Federal Election Poll

[Army Guy]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That's why people who care about the environment want a party that puts the planet ahead of itself. What the Liberal Party really needs to be faulted for most is obscuring the importance of the issues Canadians care about. They've excelled at turning virtually everything they touch to shit. Even the pronoun folks are unhappy with them.

 

Canadians don't care about climate change...If they did the green party would be much larger than it is, regular Canadians would be out protesting demanding we do more for climate change... and here we are the conservatives are leading in the national polls, with an untested , untried climate change plan how do you explain all of that.......Canadians talk a good game, but when it comes down to the matter of things involving the wallet , they fall silent....

And if you think your responsibility ends at your vote...yup i voted green, done my job for climate change your crazy...try investing in your own climate change, heat pumps, solar power, upgrading your insulation, windows, the list goes on and on...just don't talk the talk , do a little walking as well....and i'm not point this all on you but everyone that loves the climate change topic.......

 

[Army Guy]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

There are lots of Canadians who agree with Trump who says it's our fault that fentanyl and immigrants are making it into the US.  Quebec, Alberta and Saskatchewan are practically falling all over each other in their haste to take responsibility for doing America's job.

You guys are like adults stoned on LSD.  Get a grip. 

walk me through how you think "OUR" porous border is the Americans fault...how is fentanyl, Guns, human trafficking, smuggling, how is that getting into our country....do you think those immigrants would try to cross the border if it was secure...Instead liberals' think this will blow over...it is not we have already seen what trump is capable off....now we are looking to put the gloves back on....over what some words....and we are on LSD...

I'm sure you get what 25 % tariffs is going to cost us...way more than fixing out border is going to cost...and while i'm not a big fan of trump, he is a mad man and if we make him our target he will punish us regardless of cost to the American people...

This is only the start and we are not the only country...every NATO country not at 2 % or more is going to face the same thing....mark my words...

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That's why people who care about the environment want a party that puts the planet ahead of itself.

 

Simply not true though. If what you're saying is true then the liberals would be in fifth place in the last election and the greens would at least have made opposition

What people want is someone who will virtue signal on their behalf so they can pretend they're doing something. And even that goes out the window the moment they have a tough time buying food or housing.

Anybody who actually cared about the planet would realize there's absolutely nothing that we as Canada can do internally to make any kind of difference at all. So they would focus on adapting and producing tech that could be used elsewhere around the world to make things better with the major polluters. 

The fact that they supported the carbon tax for so long and we're happy with that proves that they do not want a government that is going to focus on the environment

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Maybe we should be charging china a tariff, start by reducing our dependence on every made in china, and perhaps find a more reasonable trading partner...

I wonder if we could entice China to be our main trading partner in exchange for doing something about fentanyl?  Perhaps we could make them dependant on us for resources.

Of course we'd probably just get ourselves annexed if we did that.

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Canadians don't care about climate change...If they did the green party would be much larger than it is, regular Canadians would be out protesting demanding we do more for climate change... and here we are the conservatives are leading in the national polls, with an untested , untried climate change plan how do you explain all of that.......Canadians talk a good game, but when it comes down to the matter of things involving the wallet , they fall silent....

Desperate resignation. Most Canadians realize we're launching ourselves off a cliff and that it's way to late to do anything about. Might as well get whatever you can while you can, really hard times are coming.  I'm installing an American manufactured (made in China) 10000 watt generator this week before it doubles in price. Black Friday is still on btw.

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

And if you think your responsibility ends at your vote...yup i voted green, done my job for climate change your crazy...try investing in your own climate change, heat pumps, solar power, upgrading your insulation, windows, the list goes on and on...just don't talk the talk , do a little walking as well....and i'm not point this all on you but everyone that loves the climate change topic.......

I told you I did already.  Windows...insulation...the latest most efficient engines on all our boats (new generator runs on propane)...but it all just goes in one ear and comes back out as right wing crap doesn't it?

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

walk me through how you think "OUR" porous border is the Americans fault...how is fentanyl, Guns, human trafficking, smuggling, how is that getting into our country....

I don't think that. Go read it again. I'm wondering why so many of you are buying into Trump's notions that the fentanyl and illegal migrants getting into their country is our problem.  Alberta, Saskatchewan and now Quebec seem to believe it.

Like I said, its always in one ear and out the other with you...did you already forget the two posts above your last one where I said we should inspect every incoming container and vehicle from the US? 

In any case, North American appetites for illegal drugs, the biggest on the planet, not to mention our love of cheap labour, is not the fault of foreign drug producers or people desperate to get ahead.

Edited December 18, 2024 by eyeball

[eyeball]

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

What people want is someone who will virtue signal on their behalf so they can pretend they're doing something.

Yup, that's why PP will be focussing most of his energy on wokism.

I mean, you guys started making excuses two years ago for his inability to get anything done three years from now.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Yup, that's why PP will be focussing most of his energy on wokism.

 

Not much energy. Somehow you on the left have made the idea of saving the planet so distasteful for the average Canadian that they really don't care. Well done, that's what you were able to achieve with basically 10 years of unfettered freedom to do what you wanted.

Now he'll say he's banning twist top caps or something and that's good enough somehow and people will go for it.

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I wonder if we could entice China to be our main trading partner in exchange for doing something about fentanyl?  Perhaps we could make them dependant on us for resources.

Of course we'd probably just get ourselves annexed if we did that.

Desperate resignation. Most Canadians realize we're launching ourselves off a cliff and that it's way to late to do anything about. Might as well get whatever you can while you can, really hard times are coming.  I'm installing an American manufactured (made in China) 10000 watt generator this week before it doubles in price. Black Friday is still on btw.

I told you I did already.  Windows...insulation...the latest most efficient engines on all our boats (new generator runs on propane)...but it all just goes in one ear and comes back out as right wing crap doesn't it?

I don't think that. Go read it again. I'm wondering why so many of you are buying into Trump's notions that the fentanyl and illegal migrants getting into their country is our problem.  Alberta, Saskatchewan and now Quebec seem to believe it.

Like I said, its always in one ear and out the other with you...did you already forget the two posts above your last one where I said we should inspect every incoming container and vehicle from the US? 

In any case, North American appetites for illegal drugs, the biggest on the planet, not to mention our love of cheap labour, is not the fault of foreign drug producers or people desperate to get ahead.

Annexed by the US , maybe...

Looking at getting a generac , that runs on propane...already have solar, heat pump, pellet stove....Home is only 8 years old so it is all up to date....

And i did say that my remark was not pointed at you...but other climate talkers...and not all of us on the right are talkers...some of us have already done our part ...climate change does not care about what your political beliefs are...

Becasue it is the job of CBSA to stop everything entering and leaving the country....but also to ensure no illegal migrants get into or leave this country....but follow the laws established in both countries. see how that works...

I'm following you, but it seems your having an issue with understanding why all of this is our fault...

Drug trafficking is illegal in both countries, anyone taking part in that industry is breaking the law period...as it should be 44,000 canadians died of overdoses this year...US went to war for the death of 3000 from the twin towers, we should be atleast at war with druggies and those that supply it....i mean we have an entire SOF unit not doing very much unleash the dogs of war, even the score....

[herbie]

23 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

For whoever voted Green: was that a protest vote, or do you really like Elizabeth May and Greens? 

Or do they like the Green POLICY? You know the one that will talk about it right there in the open.
I'm sure if PP would actually talk about their policy they'd drop 20 points in the polls. But then, they'd need some to talk about.

[Politics1990]

2 minutes ago, herbie said:

Or do they like the Green POLICY? You know the one that will talk about it right there in the open.
I'm sure if PP would actually talk about their policy they'd drop 20 points in the polls. But then, they'd need some to talk about.

dont worry once he starts talking in debates and everyday on tv in a election campaign hes gonnna drop some anyway . not enough to lose the election but i wouldnt be surprised if you end up seeing him win by  8-10 points instead of the 18-25 hes leading now lol. the guy is just not likable and being on tv screen for 30 plus days is gonna show that lol

Edited December 19, 2024 by Politics1990

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, herbie said:

Or do they like the Green POLICY? You know the one that will talk about it right there in the open.

They don't have a policy, and they know they don't need a policy because they're never going to be elected government.

But sure, show me their costed plan and platform for addressing the deficit. I'll wait.

Elizabeth may's platform is before lunch Donuts, after lunch Chardonnay

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12 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

dont worry once he starts talking in debates and everyday on tv in a election campaign hes gonnna drop some anyway . not enough to lose the election but i wouldnt be surprised if you end up seeing him win by  8-10 points instead of the 18-25 hes leading now lol. the guy is just not likable and being on tv screen for 30 plus days is gonna show that lol

I have a feeling that he will just copy his hero, Donald Trump. Trump campaigned on vague promises, and never really disclosed his platform. Trump would have lost the election, if he ran on putting tariffs on Canada, and cutting social security, and implementing Project 2025.

PP is not foolish. He will attack Trudeau and the Liberal, until he is blue in the face, but will fail to reveal anything of significance. All it takes is a quick Google search, to find out that he has promised very little in change, and the promises he does make, are hollow. 

The fact that he refuses to get a security clearance, suggests he is compromised by foreign players, and I am not sure if I could vote for a leader of a part who cannot even pass a basic security clearance. 

[Politics1990]

2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I have a feeling that he will just copy his hero, Donald Trump. Trump campaigned on vague promises, and never really disclosed his platform. Trump would have lost the election, if he ran on putting tariffs on Canada, and cutting social security, and implementing Project 2025.

PP is not foolish. He will attack Trudeau and the Liberal, until he is blue in the face, but will fail to reveal anything of significance. All it takes is a quick Google search, to find out that he has promised very little in change, and the promises he does make, are hollow. 

The fact that he refuses to get a security clearance, suggests he is compromised by foreign players, and I am not sure if I could vote for a leader of a part who cannot even pass a basic security clearance. 

yea  i know he won't  admit to everything  he will hide things like harper in 2011 lol

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4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yup, that's why PP will be focussing most of his energy on wokism.

I mean, you guys started making excuses two years ago for his inability to get anything done three years from now.

I have a feeling that the more PP is exposed, the further the Conservative popularity will fall. We have seen this song and dance before. There were times Sheer and O'Toole had significant leads, only see it diminish. once they stepped of their comfort zone. Both candidates were losers.

The Liberal Party, despite their unpopularity, is not in a situation where the predicament is irreversible. The first Federal election I followed closely, was in 1993. Mulroney had similar popularity ratings when he left office in early 1993. After Kim Campbell won the leadership convention, she was actually leading Chretien and the Liberals by 2 points, with six weeks left in the election campaign.

It was then that Campbell was exposed. She gave the impression that she was not qualified to serve as PM. She notoriously shot down a reporter, who asked her about her campaign policies, preformed very poorly in the debates, and told Canadians that the recession of the early 90s, would "probably last for the entire decade (it ended in 1994). 

I still believe that if Jean Charest had won the PC leadership, the Conservatives would have had a strong minority, at the least. Instead, they dropped to 2 seats, in the HoC, and never recovered. Trudeau needs to step down by February, at the absolute latest. A strong leader can reverse the Liberal Party's fortunes. 

[Politics1990]

38 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I have a feeling that the more PP is exposed, the further the Conservative popularity will fall. We have seen this song and dance before. There were times Sheer and O'Toole had significant leads, only see it diminish. once they stepped of their comfort zone. Both candidates were losers.

The Liberal Party, despite their unpopularity, is not in a situation where the predicament is irreversible. The first Federal election I followed closely, was in 1993. Mulroney had similar popularity ratings when he left office in early 1993. After Kim Campbell won the leadership convention, she was actually leading Chretien and the Liberals by 2 points, with six weeks left in the election campaign.

It was then that Campbell was exposed. She gave the impression that she was not qualified to serve as PM. She notoriously shot down a reporter, who asked her about her campaign policies, preformed very poorly in the debates, and told Canadians that the recession of the early 90s, would "probably last for the entire decade (it ended in 1994). 

I still believe that if Jean Charest had won the PC leadership, the Conservatives would have had a strong minority, at the least. Instead, they dropped to 2 seats, in the HoC, and never recovered. Trudeau needs to step down by February, at the absolute latest. A strong leader can reverse the Liberal Party's fortunes. 

marc carney is the only person who would have a chance and reversing them at this point I think. if the party picks freeland as his replacement there doomed lol.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Politics1990 said:

marc carney is the only person who would have a chance and reversing them at this point I think. if the party picks freeland as his replacement there doomed lol.

There is zero chance there. He's never even fought an election, and the liberal party has Michael ignadia found out is a vicious circling pool of nastiness and if you haven't been in it long enough to establish a power base it will chew you up.

Which is why mark has already told the liberals he will not run for them in the next election and he wants nothing to do with helping Trudeau with the budget because it's a mess and he realizes he'll get slaughtered.

It's possible he could run in the future and establish himself in the party and then run for leadership but if he tried right now he would get eaten alive.

There are a couple of others who might have a chance at staving off absolute disaster but to be honest all too smart to likely consider it.

And the party has very little to run on. Honestly the best choice would be to prepare a really great budget, get your ducks in a row and release the budget and call an election in March with about a 6 to 8 week run and a late may election date and just go to the polls running on your budget.  

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6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There is zero chance there. He's never even fought an election, and the liberal party has Michael ignadia found out is a vicious circling pool of nastiness and if you haven't been in it long enough to establish a power base it will chew you up.

You are deliberately picking the worst candidate the Liberal Party has ever chosen as leader. Additionally, Ignatieff had been in the House of Commons for 5 1/2 years, and leader of the opposition for nearly 3 years when the 2011 election occurred. Finally, you butchered the spelling of his name.

[Politics1990]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There is zero chance there. He's never even fought an election, and the liberal party has Michael ignadia found out is a vicious circling pool of nastiness and if you haven't been in it long enough to establish a power base it will chew you up.

Which is why mark has already told the liberals he will not run for them in the next election and he wants nothing to do with helping Trudeau with the budget because it's a mess and he realizes he'll get slaughtered.

It's possible he could run in the future and establish himself in the party and then run for leadership but if he tried right now he would get eaten alive.

There are a couple of others who might have a chance at staving off absolute disaster but to be honest all too smart to likely consider it.

And the party has very little to run on. Honestly the best choice would be to prepare a really great budget, get your ducks in a row and release the budget and call an election in March with about a 6 to 8 week run and a late may election date and just go to the polls running on your budget.  

i disagree however i don't think he runs for leader until  there gearing up for the 2029 election so in the meantime just give the leadership to joly  holland or anita anand. all of which  I would take my chances on limiting the damage more then someone like freeland/leblanc will.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

i disagree however i don't think he runs for leader until  there gearing up for the 2029 election so in the meantime just give the leadership to joly  holland or anita anand. all of which  I would take my chances on limiting the damage more then someone like freeland/leblanc will.

It's always so hard to say in these cases, it really will boil down to their skills at campaigning and none of them have really been front and center for that, so who can say how well they'd do. If they had a respectable amount of time to prepare then sure, anand or joly maybe. But even if they got picked tomorrow we're well under a year till the start of the next election and that is NOT enough time to do a good job of it unless you're very experienced.  And there would still be the leadership which usually lasts 9 months on its own, even if they rush it in 3 or 4 there's just no time for putting together a strong campaign. 

It would be all about pure charisma. Holland would have no chance, leblanc  MAAAYBE? and anand or joly maybe but frankly i woudln't like any of their chances, and it could easily go the other way and be a kim campbell moment if they werent careful. 

[Politics1990]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's always so hard to say in these cases, it really will boil down to their skills at campaigning and none of them have really been front and center for that, so who can say how well they'd do. If they had a respectable amount of time to prepare then sure, anand or joly maybe. But even if they got picked tomorrow we're well under a year till the start of the next election and that is NOT enough time to do a good job of it unless you're very experienced.  And there would still be the leadership which usually lasts 9 months on its own, even if they rush it in 3 or 4 there's just no time for putting together a strong campaign. 

It would be all about pure charisma. Holland would have no chance, leblanc  MAAAYBE? and anand or joly maybe but frankly i woudln't like any of their chances, and it could easily go the other way and be a kim campbell moment if they werent careful. 

holland would be entertaining just for the insults towards PP 😆. theres not much chance he gets it anyway doubt he even runs . unfortunatly i think if there is a race  it's probs freeland or dom's   with joly an outside shot.  anand would probs drop out and support freeland once she had no chance also cause i think she's close to her. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Politics1990 said:

holland would be entertaining just for the insults towards PP 😆.

Fair Point.

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theres not much chance he gets it anyway doubt he even runs . unfortunatly i think if there is a race  it's probs freeland or dom's   with joly an outside shot.  anand would probs drop out and support freeland once she had no chance also cause i think she's close to her. 

I think that Dominic would have the advantage of connections inside the party, he's been building his base in there religiously for ages and even though he's associated with Justin Trudeau he could probably pull a lot of internal party support and that means something in the liberals when it comes to leadership races

That said that freeland is getting a hell of a lot more liberal love than I thought she was for backstabbing Justin. They say it the liberal Christmas party the lineup to shake her hand was considerably longer than his  and she seems to get standing ovations everywhere she goes. So I don't know, she might be able to pull together enough support to make a real serious run of it. But I think she would definitely Kim Campbell it once the actual election started

Edited December 19, 2024 by CdnFox

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, herbie said:

Or do they like the Green POLICY? You know the one that will talk about it right there in the open.
I'm sure if PP would actually talk about their policy they'd drop 20 points in the polls. But then, they'd need some to talk about.

You guys were really butthurt about the fact that Kamala had almost no policy positions, and the ones that she did have were stolen from Trump, so now you all keep saying "😭PP has no policies😭😭. We wanna keep going with Trudeau's "Death to Canada!" policies!"

[CdnFox]

14 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

You are deliberately picking the worst candidate the Liberal Party has ever chosen as leader.

No not really, and I'm not sure I would even argue that he was their worst leader. But he was one of their worst campaigners and as he himself would write later the machinations inside the liberal party itself are brutal and if you are an outsider it is extremely difficult to navigate.

The reason I chose him was because that was another example of the liberals looking outside the party for a white night who they could drop in to radically change their failing fortunes after their consecutive defeats.  Which is what we're looking at when we're discussing Mark Carney. 

Carney has never run an election. He's never even won his own seat. He has no ties within the party other than a few people who would like to use him for their own purposes like Gerald butts.

So you're going to have a guy with no political experience, no ties to the party and remembering that the party is vicious in its internal power plays, a guy who's not well known in Canada so he can't run on star power, And basically that was the exact circumstances with ignatief. 

Now if he runs and wins a seat, spends a little time in the party and in the house, Raises his public profile etc then after a term or two he might be able to run and when the liberal leadership and possibly even an election.

But right now and likely even in 2028 he will probably get slaughtered and there's just no two ways about it just as Ignatief was and for the same reasons

[herbie]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You guys were really butthurt about the fact that Kamala had almost no policy positions,

So intent on 'causing butthurt' even if it's totally imaginary you'd f^cking lie through your teeth like that. The candidate who did talk about policy lost to the one ranting about only gut issues to the brainless beat her.

You're obviously one y either already forgotten everything or resorting to lies and bull shit like your Lord & Saviour, The Penguin.
 

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, herbie said:

So intent on 'causing butthurt' even if it's totally imaginary you'd f^cking lie through your teeth like that. The candidate who did talk about policy lost to the one ranting about only gut issues to the brainless beat her.

You're obviously one y either already forgotten everything or resorting to lies and bull shit like your Lord & Saviour, The Penguin.
 

Kamales only two policy points were trump is evil and "me giggling"

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Kamales only two policy points were trump is evil and "me giggling"

You forgot "Do everything the exact opposite of how we did it for the last 4 years".