Finance minister resigns Winter statement day

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

"Pierre Poilievre’s entire campaign is based on telling Canadians how broken our country is and that it is Justin Trudeau’s fault. No policy proposals, just slogans. Why are 40% of Canadians buying this garbage. Are we really going to elect a Trump replica as our PM."

Could not have said it better myself.

The left's entire campaign is on lies. Like the one above for example  

Poilievre has discussed a number of substantial policy positions.

He's talked about how bureaucracy and The Gatekeepers need to be severely reduced so that things can happen and things can get built in Canada.

He's talked about the need to index immigration to our home and resource production to make sure that we don't overload the systems and to make it easier and faster for desirable immigrants such as doctors to come to Canada and begin practicing.

He's talked about reducing the tax burden as well as scrapping the carbon tax because it is a hindrance to our economy and prosperity

He's talked about the need to eliminate the deficit over time or at least substantially reduce it because we can't keep borrowing $60 billion a year. We just can't, that's death.

He's talked about the need for programs and working specifically with the provinces directly and through them the municipalities to severely increase remember of homes being built. Which is one of our number one problems

He's talked about the need to reverse the soft on crime position that the liberals have taken and reverse the new law that lets repeat violent offenders back out on the street the same day they are arrested, frequently to reoffend. Prime has skyrocketed under the liberals and this is one way to begin to reverse that trend

And so on and so on. There's actually a bunch more

So yeah sorry there are tons of policy proposals. Obviously he's not going to get into specifics because you'd have to be a complete and utter retarded loser To even suggest doing that before an election. The liberals have a long history of exploiting people that give detailed plans out early. So you give the details out with the election is called

 

 

Oopsie, looks like you're wrong again. Yawn.

 

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19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He's talked about how bureaucracy and The Gatekeepers need to be severely reduced so that things can happen and things can get built in Canada.

How?

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He's talked about the need to eliminate the deficit over time or at least substantially reduce it because we can't keep borrowing $60 billion a year. We just can't, that's death.

Historically, Conservative Governments have incurred high deficits when compared to Liberals. I'll believe that when I see the deficit fall.

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He's talked about the need for programs and working specifically with the provinces directly and through them the municipalities to severely increase remember of homes being built.

Enlighten me....

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He's talked about the need to reverse the soft on crime position that the liberals have taken and reverse the new law that lets repeat violent offenders back out on the street the same day they are arrested, frequently to reoffend. Prime has skyrocketed under the liberals and this is one way to begin to reverse that trend

"Tough on crime" positions have failed historically. The United States has the most severe punishments for crime in the developing World, yet they are by far, the most violent nation. 

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

So yeah sorry there are tons of policy proposals. Obviously he's not going to get into specifics because you'd have to be a complete and utter retarded loser To even suggest doing that before an election. The liberals have a long history of exploiting people that give detailed plans out early. So you give the details out with the election is called

That is what politicians do to get elected. They inform voters of their positions, and how they would correct any Liberal mistakes. Considering the election can be called anytime in the next 10 months, he should present some of his ideas soon. The blame game only appeals to the lowest common denominator. As of this date, I have not heard too much about how PP and the Conservative Government will make life better for the average Canadian. All I have heard is how horrible the Liberals are. 

Edited December 17, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

How?

That's pretty simple, reduce regulation eliminate unnecessary departments make it a requirement for processes to be smoother. It's really not very hard at all. Bureaucracy tends to creep up over time and every now and then you have to clear the cobwebs

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Historically, Conservative Governments have incurred high deficits when compared to Liberals. I'll believe that when I see the deficit fall.

That is simply not true.

It is true that Mulroney had to pay high deficits to cover the interest on Trudeau's loans and borrowing. But he mostly ran structural surpluses. Harper and small deficits during the worst recession in almost a hundred years, trudeau said hold my beer and has run deficits as large as harper's entire deficits in a single year. 60 billion last year alone for god's sake

 

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Enlighten me....

Why? It's not like you really care. Even if I gave you the most incredible answer humanly possible you're still going to vote for the left. It's not like you are well known for thinking for yourself.

Anyways got lots of videos and information out there on the specific subject so you might want to check them out if you're genuinely interested

 

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"Tough on crime" positions have failed historically.

In Canada they have succeeded wildly. Harper was tough on crime, crime plummeted. Trudeau is weak on crime, crime has skyrocketed.

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That is what politicians do to get elected. They inform voters of their positions, and how they would correct any Liberal mistakes.

Yes. During an election. Not before.

Have you seen the NDP release their policy documents with specifics? Nope. How about the block? Not a chance

In fact how about the liberals? Trudeau didn't release his platform in the last election until the last two weeks after the conservatives had released theirs and then he basically just took everything they said they were going to do and added a few hundred million to it. They certainly haven't released their platform for the next election yet have they?

.Yet... You're absolutely shocked! Shocked Isay that the conservatives have not .     lol who did you think you were fooling with that nonsense kiddo?

Part of it is just practical, you can hardly release details when you don't know what the situation will be when the election rolls around. How can you possibly say how fast you pay off the debt or deficit when you don't know how big the deficit is going to be by the time you get to the election? How can you say what your plan to fix housing is specifically until you get to the election and see how bad Trudeau has screwed it up?

But it's also political. Every single party that releases their platform before an election gets slaughtered as a result. It would be like a sports team releasing their playbook to the opposing side well in advance of the national finals. You just wouldn't do it and if you did do it you'd expect to lose

Edited December 17, 2024 by CdnFox

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26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That is simply not true.

It is true that Mulroney had to pay high deficits to cover the interest on Trudeau's loans and borrowing. But he mostly ran structural surpluses. Harper and small deficits during the worst recession in almost a hundred years, trudeau said hold my beer and has run deficits as large as harper's entire deficits in a single year. 60 billion last year alone for god's sake

 

 

By looking at this chart, we can see that the deficit was significant during the Mulroney years (1984-93). During the Chretien Liberal years (1993-2003), the deficit decreased, and Canada had a surplus from 1998-2008. Under the Harper Government (2006-15), we eventually went back into deficit (2009-14) before balancing the budget in 2015.

From then on, Trudeau ran a slight deficit from 2016-19. Then in 2020, the deficit exploded with COVID, and has been at record levels since. 

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

By looking at this chart, we can see that the deficit was significant during the Mulroney years (1984-93). During the Chretien Liberal years (1993-2003), the deficit decreased, and Canada had a surplus from 1998-2008. Under the Harper Government (2006-15), we eventually went back into deficit (2009-14) before balancing the budget in 2015.

From then on, Trudeau ran a slight deficit from 2016-19. Then in 2020, the deficit exploded with COVID, and has been at record levels since. 

Uhhhh ..... you cut off the years before mulcroney.  Interesting  And mulroney's was trudeau's don't forget. 

Then chretien had deficits till he was in the clear (thanks to mulroney's gst and free trade deal). 

Then harper dipped but trudeau has completely wiped him out.  Trudeau's deficits beats every single deficit of the conservatives on your chart there 

So just for fun, did we run deficits before 1983?

Yup. 

ANd i notice no link to your 'chart'. 

So,  historically every liberal has run deficits, and the liberals hold the record for the largest deficits. 

LOL.  Well done, you've proven yourself wrong again  

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

https://www.baystreet.ca/marketupdates/13724/TSX-Sags-on-Freeland-Departure

 

TSX sags on Freeland departure.  🤔

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42 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Uhhhh ..... you cut off the years before mulcroney.  Interesting  And mulroney's was trudeau's don't forget. 

Then chretien had deficits till he was in the clear (thanks to mulroney's gst and free trade deal). 

Then harper dipped but trudeau has completely wiped him out.  Trudeau's deficits beats every single deficit of the conservatives on your chart there 

So just for fun, did we run deficits before 1983?

Yup. 

ANd i notice no link to your 'chart'. 

So,  historically every liberal has run deficits, and the liberals hold the record for the largest deficits. 

 

 

[Politics1990]

The Great State of Canada is stunned as the Finance Minister resigns, or was fired, from her position by Governor Justin Trudeau. Her behavior was totally toxic, and not at all conducive to making deals which are good for the very unhappy citizens of Canada. She will not be missed!!

^^  donald   is at it again . amazing how  a tool like this got over 70million votes lol he literally act's like a child who has been spoiled his whole life and always got what he wanted. embarrassing for any world leader of a major country to talk about that  towards any close ally really. 

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://www.baystreet.ca/marketupdates/13724/TSX-Sags-on-Freeland-Departure

 

TSX sags on Freeland departure.  🤔

Freeland departure or 62B deficit?

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Freeland departure or 62B deficit?

What I heard was that this came with the announcement.  I have no feeling on this either way, I'm becoming fascinated with this person who was perhaps one of the most powerful ministers ever and paired with a purely political animal with no experience.

Will we ever know what happened behind the scenes ?

1 hour ago, Politics1990 said:

The Great State of Canada is stunned as the Finance Minister resigns, or was fired, from her position by Governor Justin Trudeau. Her behavior was totally toxic, and not at all conducive to making deals which are good for the very unhappy citizens of Canada. She will not be missed!!

^^  donald   is at it again . amazing how  a tool like this got over 70million votes lol he literally act's like a child who has been spoiled his whole life and always got what he wanted. embarrassing for any world leader of a major country to talk about that  towards any close ally really. 

Wait.  HE made the deal.  HE renegotiated MCUSA !  What's he bawling about ?!?

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

By looking at this chart, we can see that the deficit was significant during the Mulroney years (1984-93). During the Chretien Liberal years (1993-2003), the deficit decreased, and Canada had a surplus from 1998-2008. Under the Harper Government (2006-15), we eventually went back into deficit (2009-14) before balancing the budget in 2015.

From then on, Trudeau ran a slight deficit from 2016-19. Then in 2020, the deficit exploded with COVID, and has been at record levels since. 

Mulroney had Michael Wilson, but wouldn't let him loose on the deficit.  Chretien had Paul Martin, who was perhaps the most fiscally responsible Liberal ever.  I feel that tagging Harper AND Obama (or Trump/Biden POST Covid) isn't exactly fair because there was (another) crisis happening.

But don't listen to zero-sum gamers who will tell you everything LIBERAL is terrible and everything CONSERVATIVE is great, or vice versa.  You'd be better off staring at one of these: 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Politics1990 said:

The Great State of Canada is stunned as the Finance Minister resigns, or was fired, from her position by Governor Justin Trudeau. Her behavior was totally toxic, and not at all conducive to making deals which are good for the very unhappy citizens of Canada. She will not be missed!!

Not only that...but Freeland is BUTT FCKIN' UGLY!!!

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Not only that...but Freeland is BUTT FCKIN' UGLY!!!

Of course.... 🤨

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Of course.... 🤨

Well...she is...

Hey...the lady froze bank accounts...dug Canada into a deeper financial hole...and deserves nothing less than to be completely rejected and even made fun of.

The woman was and is...a complete failure.

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

Nice to see Trump displaying his maturity level, as per usual. There is a lot of speculation in America that the true reason for Trump animosity towards Freeland, is that she stood up to him, during the USMCA negotiations, and Trump actually ended up with an arguably poorer deal than he had with NAFTA. Plus Freeland is a woman, and Trump has had a history of treating women who stand up to him poorly. 

The truth sucks sometimes, but it still needs to be said. 

She was toxic.

Canadians are very unhappy.

She will not be missed.

45 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Well...she is...

Hey...the lady froze bank accounts...dug Canada into a deeper financial hole...and deserves nothing less than to be completely rejected and even made fun of.

The woman was and is...a complete failure.

Her face should be on the 70-cent dollar, along with Trudeau's.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://www.baystreet.ca/marketupdates/13724/TSX-Sags-on-Freeland-Departure

 

TSX sags on Freeland departure.  🤔

It's not the loss a steady hand at the helm people are reacting to, they just see the wheels coming off of the clown car. 

[Politics1990]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

What I heard was that this came with the announcement.  I have no feeling on this either way, I'm becoming fascinated with this person who was perhaps one of the most powerful ministers ever and paired with a purely political animal with no experience.

Will we ever know what happened behind the scenes ?

Wait.  HE made the deal.  HE renegotiated MCUSA !  What's he bawling about ?!?

he's always whining   she clearly gave him a hard time on the new  deal so thats why he dislikes her lol .

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Not only that...but Freeland is BUTT FCKIN' UGLY!!!

lol  donald trump is ugly af also but whats this got to do with anything🤣

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

The truth sucks sometimes, but it still needs to be said. 

She was toxic.

 

So the guy who made a deal with her is glad she's gone ?   Strikes me that he wants a softer negotiating partner.  As was pointed out on here by CdnFox and others, our trade is back where it was before MCUSA.

Again, no dog in this fight, I'm just looking for clues as to what the RACI was between Trudeau and Freeland and more sophisticated, more grown-up comments than "she is ugly".

2 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

1. he's always whining   she clearly gave him a hard time on the new  deal so thats why he dislikes her lol .

2. donald trump is ugly af also but whats this got to do with anything🤣

1. As CdnFox said, we didn't seem to be harmed by that except in the short term.  So it SEEMS like a win, however we all suffer from the opaqueness of such goings-on.  Also, she was Trudeau's #2 (and the dual meaning applies) so she is likely done politically anyway.
2. Oh NOW you have offended them because you use their tactics against them.  I don't call people Chuds but commenting on looks is pretty chudly behaviour.  

[Nationalist]

18 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

lol  donald trump is ugly af also but whats this got to do with anything🤣

Donny is in his 70's. Freeland is in her mid-50's and...

Is just friggin' ugly.

[Nationalist]

25 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. Oh NOW you have offended them because you use their tactics against them.  I don't call people Chuds but commenting on looks is pretty chudly behaviour.  

Ya gits wut ya pays fer Mike. The woman deserves every insult thrown at her for the performance she's mustered. If I'm a "chud" for leaning into that...so be it.

Edited December 17, 2024 by Nationalist

[Politics1990]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Donny is in his 70's. Freeland is in her mid-50's and...

Is just friggin' ugly.

not even that bad for mid 50s lol. if we really got to get into looks which is dumb anyway shes average for a 50 year old. and for the record i don't even like her and think she was a terrible choice for minister  just not blinded like you right wingers on here lol

Edited December 17, 2024 by Politics1990

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

not even that bad for mid 50s lol. if we really got to get into looks which is dumb anyway shes average for a 50 year old. and for the record i don't even like her and think she was a terrible choice for minister  just not blinded like you right wingers on here lol

She's an ugly witch and like I told Mike...ya gits wut ya pays fer.

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ya gits wut ya pays fer Mike. The woman deserves every insult thrown at her for the performance she's mustered. If I'm a "chud" for leaning into that...so be it.

I'll go to you for opinions on her performance when I want to know what you think of her t1ts, ok ?

In the meantime, I'm here for substantive discussion.  Go have your lunch, the bowl's on the floor...

What is it with people who make Chudly comments that they double down and get so upset when you point it out ?

Asking for my IGNORE list 

[Nationalist]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'll go to you for opinions on her performance when I want to know what you think of her t1ts, ok ?

In the meantime, I'm here for substantive discussion.  Go have your lunch, the bowl's on the floor...

What is it with people who make Chudly comments that they double down and get so upset when you point it out ?

Asking for my IGNORE list 

I didn't mention her boobies. Just her face...which is as ugly as her performance.

[WestCanMan]

38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

So the guy who made a deal with her is glad she's gone ?   Strikes me that he wants a softer negotiating partner. 

Sorry but the latter is not the only logical conclusion to the first sentence. 

The US has to make deals with Canada. They need resources, we have them, and it would just be stupid for our countries not to engage in commerce. 

Ergo the fact that he did a deal with her doesn't mean that she's strong or shrewd or anything else, she was just the barista at McDonals when he ordered the coffee. 

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As was pointed out on here by CdnFox and others, our trade is back where it was before MCUSA.

And geese still fly south for the winter. What's your point? 

Is that really all the proof that we need that our government doesn't suck?

"We're still trading with the USA. EVERYBODY GETS A MEDAL"

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Again, no dog in this fight, I'm just looking for clues as to what the RACI was between Trudeau and Freeland and more sophisticated, more grown-up comments than "she is ugly".

Freeland was the ayatollah of the covid committee, which is akin to saying that she was the fascist overlord of stupidity central.

I get it, we're all supposed to bewieve that Canada handled covid successfully and Trump did not, "just click your heels and spew alt-left propaganda like Manchurian candidates", but I'm not f'ing ret4rded: I know why we ended up having to steal our first 1.9 million vaccines from the 3rd world charity pool. I also know that blocking flights from regions with dangerous variants wasn't "smart during the delta outbreak, but racist at the original outbreak". I know that there was never a point in time where we needed to vax healthy 25-yr olds after thevaxes were available for them but the data was already in about 1) covid target demographics and 2) vax efficacy data from Israeli ICUs and other places.

WE. FORCED. YOUNG. CANADIANS. TO. TAKE. AN. UNSAFE. DRUG. THAT. THEY. DID. NOT. NEED. AT ALL!

That's on OUR GENERATION MH. YOU AND ME. Regardless of whether I like it or not, I'm partly responsible for the jabs to our youths.

MH, we're nothing if not protectors of our own children, and we roundly f'ked them. 

That's mostly on Chrystia and Justin. If they're dying in a fire I will slash my way through 25 fire hoses to get to my marshmallows. 

And no, MH, she is not all that ugly on the outside, but she is uglier than a gaggle of childhood cancers on the inside. I don't care about her physical appearance. JWR is nothing to look at, and she's a liberal, and I have a ton of respect for her. Ditto for Jane Philpot. I honestly feel like if JWR becomes leader of the Liberals she might be able to salvage some dignity for that party. The only problem is, that will be like a lightning bolt through whatever is left of Trudeau's legacy. 

 

Bottom line: Chrystia was Trudeau's lackey while he was destroying this country, and the only reason she's sticking the knife in his back now is to advance her own political career. At no point in her time in our gov't has she ever done what was right for this country.