CdnFox Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 6 hours ago, impartialobserver said: This tells me that you are guessing. You have no actual intel or verifiable information. Righteous armchair expert. Believe it or not.. my skepticism is not based on allegiance. Its based on simply being skeptical and being a critical thinker no matter what I come across. I know that you can't comprehend such a thing. You sure are posting a lot for a topic you claim to be uninterested in. When I'm not interested in a topic I don't post on it at all. How very curious 1 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 5 hours ago, robosmith said: CHS are NOT FBI agents. Duh And your source are PROVEN LIARS. Actually...those CHS people were paid for their services. That makes them agents. 2 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
West Posted December 13, 2024 Author Report Posted December 13, 2024 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Actually...those CHS people were paid for their services. That makes them agents. Seems to be the way of government. Someone else can do their dirty work while they claim "I knew nothing". 2 Quote
Nationalist Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 1 minute ago, West said: Seems to be the way of government. Someone else can do their dirty work while they claim "I knew nothing". Plausible deniability...it's a scruge and we cannot allow this thin veil to supersede common sense and truth. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Actually...those CHS people were paid for their services. That makes them agents. No, it literally doesn't, unless you are dumbing the term down to its having no real meaning other than its basic dictionary one. In regards to the FBI, they are in fact not what is referred to as an FBI agent at all. 33 minutes ago, West said: Seems to be the way of government. Someone else can do their dirty work while they claim "I knew nothing". They did not claim that, it is literally what the report found. What dirty work was done here? These mor0n$ basically wandered around like all the other people did you think should not be in much trouble for. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Nationalist Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 (edited) 11 minutes ago, User said: No, it literally doesn't, unless you are dumbing the term down to its having no real meaning other than its basic dictionary one. In regards to the FBI, they are in fact not what is referred to as an FBI agent at all. They did not claim that, it is literally what the report found. What dirty work was done here? These mor0n$ basically wandered around like all the other people did you think should not be in much trouble for. User...you're engaged in semantics here. The raw facts are, any person acting under the direction of an entity, is acting as an "agent" for said entity. That these CHS people were also paid for their agency, only solidifies the facts. Then...some of them went into the Capital with the rioters, yet although the FBI knew perfectly well who they were, no charges were brought. Gee...imagine that eh? The FBI and other agencies use this sort of veil/tactic all the time. It gives them cover to do their dirty work. Its time for such dirty work to cease and desist. Wouldn't you say? Edited December 13, 2024 by Nationalist 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
West Posted December 13, 2024 Author Report Posted December 13, 2024 (edited) 16 minutes ago, User said: No, it literally doesn't, unless you are dumbing the term down to its having no real meaning other than its basic dictionary one. In regards to the FBI, they are in fact not what is referred to as an FBI agent at all. They did not claim that, it is literally what the report found. What dirty work was done here? These mor0n$ basically wandered around like all the other people did you think should not be in much trouble for. No, but that's the splitting hairs nonsense that you and others in this thread have been doing as Nationalist was stating above. Even just a month ago people were claiming that FBI informants in the crowd was a "conspiracy theory". Edited December 13, 2024 by West 1 1 Quote
User Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 2 minutes ago, West said: No, but that's the splitting hairs nonsense that you and others in this thread have been doing as Nationalist was stating above. Even just a month ago people were claiming that FBI informants in the crowd was a "conspiracy theory". Its not splitting hairs at all. And the conspiracy theory here was that the FBI somehow knew they had their people there that day as if they played some role in knowing there was going to be violence like there was... as you started this thread with "fedsurrection" This report clearly said the FBI did not know nor authorize the few they did know were traveling there that day to engage in any illegal activity. So again... what is your point? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Fluffypants Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 4 minutes ago, Nationalist said: User...you're engaged in semantics here. The raw facts are, any person acting under the direction of an entity, is acting as an "agent" for said entity. That these CHS people were also paid for their agency, only solidifies the facts. Then...some of them went into the Capital with the rioters, yet although the FBI knew perfectly well who they were, no charges were brought. Gee...imagine that eh? The FBI and other agencies use this sort of veil/tactic all the time. It gives them cover to do their dirty work. Its time for such dirty work to cease and desist. Wouldn't you say? This reminds me a lot about the Whitmire kidnapping conspiracy where the agents were instigating the whole thing, there were more feds involved than the actual people being investigated. Were these informants helping instigate the riot for political reasons, because they have used Jan 6th as a hammer ever since. 2 Quote
Fluffypants Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 (edited) 5 minutes ago, User said: Its not splitting hairs at all. And the conspiracy theory here was that the FBI somehow knew they had their people there that day as if they played some role in knowing there was going to be violence like there was... as you started this thread with "fedsurrection" This report clearly said the FBI did not know nor authorize the few they did know were traveling there that day to engage in any illegal activity. So again... what is your point? Just because they say they didn't doesn't mean it didn't happen. It should be interesting to see what will be uncovered when Trump takes over but of course when that happens the left will call it disinformation. So we will probably never get to the real truth of what happened on January 6th. Like Sheridan said on Babylon 5 paraphrasing of course "every conflict has 3 sides their side, our side and the truth" Edited December 13, 2024 by Fluffypants Quote
West Posted December 13, 2024 Author Report Posted December 13, 2024 4 minutes ago, User said: Its not splitting hairs at all. And the conspiracy theory here was that the FBI somehow knew they had their people there that day as if they played some role in knowing there was going to be violence like there was... as you started this thread with "fedsurrection" This report clearly said the FBI did not know nor authorize the few they did know were traveling there that day to engage in any illegal activity. So again... what is your point? Actually, I started the thread with the two opposite narratives or understandings of the events on J6. Quote
User Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 22 minutes ago, Nationalist said: User...you're engaged in semantics here. The raw facts are, any person acting under the direction of an entity, is acting as an "agent" for said entity. That these CHS people were also paid for their agency, only solidifies the facts. No, its not semantics at all. There is a very specific meaning for what an FBI Agent is, which is exactly why you guys are playing fast and loose with the term. 23 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Then...some of them went into the Capital with the rioters, yet although the FBI knew perfectly well who they were, no charges were brought. Gee...imagine that eh? Yeah, no charges have been brought against a ton of people who were there as well. The DOJ has not targetted every single person that was merely wandering around in unauthorized areas either. So... what is your point? 26 minutes ago, Nationalist said: The FBI and other agencies use this sort of veil/tactic all the time. It gives them cover to do their dirty work. Its time for such dirty work to cease and desist. Wouldn't you say? Be specific... what dirty work? What was the veil/tactic here? Where did this report support any of what you claim? What other evidence do you have? 15 minutes ago, Fluffypants said: Were these informants helping instigate the riot for political reasons, because they have used Jan 6th as a hammer ever since. This is a question. The report says they were not. So, what evidence do you have for this? 12 minutes ago, West said: Actually, I started the thread with the two opposite narratives or understandings of the events on J6. OK, so you agree then, there is no "fedsurrection?" Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
User Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 13 minutes ago, Fluffypants said: Just because they say they didn't doesn't mean it didn't happen. This thread was created after a report on this was released showing they did not know. You offer nothing but baseless speculation. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Fluffypants Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 4 minutes ago, User said: This thread was created after a report on this was released showing they did not know. You offer nothing but baseless speculation. You trust that? The government investigating itself found its doing fine nothing to see here, they had no idea we swear believe us. Quote
User Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 Just now, Fluffypants said: You trust that? The government investigating itself found its doing fine nothing to see here, they had no idea we swear believe us. I ask again, what do you have other than baseless speculation? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
West Posted December 13, 2024 Author Report Posted December 13, 2024 8 minutes ago, User said: No, its not semantics at all. There is a very specific meaning for what an FBI Agent is, which is exactly why you guys are playing fast and loose with the term. Yeah, no charges have been brought against a ton of people who were there as well. The DOJ has not targetted every single person that was merely wandering around in unauthorized areas either. So... what is your point? Be specific... what dirty work? What was the veil/tactic here? Where did this report support any of what you claim? What other evidence do you have? This is a question. The report says they were not. So, what evidence do you have for this? OK, so you agree then, there is no "fedsurrection?" It is semantics actually. By all appearances, the FBI is subcontracting out their work. By doing so, this makes these folks a non-government entity and in and of itself is a workaround of certain constitutional protections. Realistically, any evidence these informants captured during their illegal entrance into the Capitol would not be allowed in prosecutions. But because private investigators don't have to play by the same constitutional rules, then this allows the FBI to violate rights of people indirectly. Quote
Deluge Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 (edited) 15 hours ago, West said: Multiple FBI agents breached the Capitol without authorization and were not even authorized to be at the J6 event https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-ig-reveals-number-fbi-confidential-sources-ground-during-jan-6 Crazy Fedsurrection is more accurate, as undercover FBI a$$holes incited some of the protestors. Edited December 13, 2024 by Deluge Quote
User Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 4 minutes ago, West said: It is semantics actually. No, its not. The report we are all talking about very clearly calls them what they are, Confidential Human Sources. They are not "agents" and when you use the term FBI Agents, that very clearly is meant to make it sound like they were more than they are. 5 minutes ago, West said: By all appearances, the FBI is subcontracting out their work. Confidential Human Sources are a widely used tactic in Law Enforcement, they are not employees, they are not subcontractors. They are basically snitches. So, what exactly do you mean by subcontracting here? 7 minutes ago, West said: By doing so, this makes these folks a non-government entity and in and of itself is a workaround of certain constitutional protections. What constitutional protections are being worked around here and how? Be specific. 7 minutes ago, West said: Realistically, any evidence these informants captured during their illegal entrance into the Capitol would not be allowed in prosecutions. That is not accurate at all. 10 minutes ago, West said: But because private investigators don't have to play by the same constitutional rules, then this allows the FBI to violate rights of people indirectly. Private investigators? Where is that coming from now? What constitutional rules are you talking about here, exactly? What rights are being violated, exactly? How? 5 minutes ago, Deluge said: Fedsurrection is more accurate, as undercover FBI a$$holes incited some of the protestors. What is your evidence for this? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Deluge Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 8 minutes ago, User said: What is your evidence for this? FBI Agent Ray Epps: https://www.conservapedia.com/File:Epps_2.PNG Undercover FBI agent flashing his badge: https://www.conservapedia.com/File:J6_undercover.PNG Quote
User Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 1 minute ago, Deluge said: FBI Agent Ray Epps: Ray Epps is not nor was he an FBI agent. 1 minute ago, Deluge said: Undercover FBI agent flashing his badge: What undercover FBI agent? What is his name? How do you know it was a real badge? Where was he engaged in incitement? Also, none of your links work, and linking to "Conservapedia" is not a real source. Feel free to link to the actual evidence you have from there. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Deluge Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 (edited) 5 minutes ago, User said: 1. Ray Epps is not nor was he an FBI agent. 2. What undercover FBI agent? 1. Ray Epps: https://www.conservapedia.com/Ray_Epps See, you have to go deeper than the left-wing media outlets. 2. The one in the MAGA hat flashing his badge. Can't you see, or are you far sighted? Edited December 13, 2024 by Deluge Quote
User Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 14 minutes ago, Deluge said: See, you have to go deeper than the left-wing media outlets. Where does that show he worked for the FBI? 14 minutes ago, Deluge said: 2. The one in the MAGA hat flashing his badge. Can't you see, or are you far sighted? Its a blurry image. I ask again: What undercover FBI agent, how do you know he was an agent? What is his name? How do you know it was a real badge? Where was he engaged in incitement? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Deluge Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 (edited) 21 minutes ago, User said: 1. Where does that show he worked for the FBI? 2. Its a blurry image. I ask again: What undercover FBI agent, how do you know he was an agent? What is his name? How do you know it was a real badge? Where was he engaged in incitement? 1. It just says it in the first line, right after "Ray Epps" in bold. I'm sure the FBI scrubbed the guy out of FBI existence right after Jan 6, so we have to trust Conservapedia's resaerch. I'm down with that because everyone that isn't a patriot hates Trump, so we're not getting shit from that side. 2. It's a blurry image, but it's enough. It fits the narrative of Biden weaponizing the FBI against Trump. See, it's not just the source, User, it's also seeing the totality of actions made by TDS sufferers. When Trump Derangement sets in, there is no END to what the lunatics will do. It's another reason why Trump won, and Harris lost. Edited December 13, 2024 by Deluge 1 Quote
West Posted December 13, 2024 Author Report Posted December 13, 2024 53 minutes ago, User said: that very clearly is meant to make it sound like they were more than they are. Or just a simple mistake. I'm not up to date on all the lingo. Regardless, there's probably some form of contract with the FBI. 55 minutes ago, User said: They are basically snitches Who are paid in some form 56 minutes ago, User said: What constitutional protections are being worked around here and how? Entrapment laws as one example. Quote
User Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 5 minutes ago, Deluge said: 1. It just says it in the first line, right after "Ray Epps" in bold. I'm sure the FBI scrubbed the guy out of FBI existence right after Jan 6, so we have to trust Conservapedia's resaerch. I'm down with that because everyone that isn't a patriot hates Trump, so we're not getting shit from that side. That doesn't show he worked for the FBI, it is a baseless assertion that links to some rumbl video that again, doesn't have any evidence he worked for the FBI. Amazing how these conspiracy theories can never be disproven or proven. There is no research on Conservapedia to trust or not to trust... there is nothing there at all. 7 minutes ago, Deluge said: 2. It's a blurry image, but it's enough. It fits the narrative of Biden weaponizing the FBI against Trump. So, you have no evidence to back up your assertion. 5 minutes ago, West said: Or just a simple mistake. I'm not up to date on all the lingo. Regardless, there's probably some form of contract with the FBI. This thread was titled with "fedsurrection" You don't get the benefit of just making a mistake now, when your motives were pretty clear from the start. Speaking of that... didn't I ask you to specifically say then, that you do or do not agree that it was a "fedsurrection?" 6 minutes ago, West said: Who are paid in some form And, what is your point? 6 minutes ago, West said: Entrapment laws as one example. Who was entrapped here? What is your evidence here for any entrapment? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
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