What do the Dems Honestly Think About Men, Women, the Type of Women Who Vote for Them, and Marriage?

[Deluge]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

You need to stop mistaking YOUR fantasies for what others THINK.

Your projecting again, robomarx. It's not a good look. 

[Radiorum]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

However gender dysphoria is actually an illness. It has a pathology,

This is incorrect. It is not an illness. It does not have a pathology. If anything, it might be termed a developmental anomaly. 

Transgender brains function normally, they are just the opposite sex of the body.

 

[User]

29 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Transgender brains function normally, they are just the opposite sex of the body.

That is not functioning normally. 

Nor is a brain the opposite sex of the body. There is ZERO methodology to determine this scientifically.

 

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, Radiorum said:

I didn't expect you to understand it.

I don't expect you to be able to count to two.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Radiorum said:

This is incorrect. It is not an illness. It does not have a pathology. If anything, it might be termed a developmental anomaly. 

It's literally classified as a disorder 

Gender dysphoria (GD), according to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM 5), is defined as a "marked incongruence between their experienced or expressed gender and the one they were assigned at birth." It was previously termed "gender identity disorder."

Gender Dysphoria - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

Gender dysphoria - Diagnosis and treatment - Mayo Clinic

So there you go -   it's listed as a disorder and there's the pathology and treatment. 

So that's the difference between you just making crap up and me following the science

6 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Transgender brains function normally, they are just the opposite sex of the body

No, that is not normal. That is atypical, to be polite. The brains are not functioning "normally'  

Now that's not a problem in mild cases.  But in more serious cases (which is most) it leads to gender dysphoria which as i've proven is a disorder.  It has a pathology, it has a treatment, it is listed in the official lists of disorders (dms5). .

It is an illness and a dangerous one at that. Left untreated for long enough it prevents people from having happy healthy lives. It leaves them dysfunctional.  that's why it's bad. 

 

so it turns out that you really don't know anything about this. so much for your "larger world" bull crap, turns out I was the one living in the larger world and the first place and you've been living in your own fantasies and delusions.

 

[Black Dog]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Now that's not a problem in mild cases.  But in more serious cases (which is most) it leads to gender dysphoria which as i've proven is a disorder.  It has a pathology, it has a treatment, it is listed in the official lists of disorders (dms5). .

It is an illness and a dangerous one at that. Left untreated for long enough it prevents people from having happy healthy lives. It leaves them dysfunctional.  that's why it's bad. 

So why do right wingers generally oppose treating this condition?

 

[User]

1 minute ago, Black Dog said:

So why do right wingers generally oppose treating this condition?

Treating how?

What we oppose is you sick people wanting to drug and mutilate children. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, Black Dog said:

So why do right wingers generally oppose treating this condition?

 

I've never heard of a right winger opposing treatment at all. In fact there's a fair bit of sympathy, more so than for homosexuals which are seen differently historically.

What the right has a problem with is mutilating small children as part of the treatment. Experts have come out and said that's probably not a good idea. So it turns out the right was correct.

Many on the right also have an issue with treating this condition at the cost of the taxpayer especially in the states when Kamala Harris proposed it was to be provided at the taxpayers expense for illegal migrants who were being held in America. 

But I have never heard of anyone saying that transgender adults shouldn't be allowed to take whatever treatment they want including hormone blockers, transitional surgery, etc.

[CouchPotato]

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A Texas father who tried for years to stop his ex-wife from allowing his pre-teen child, who now identifies as 'Luna,' to be chemically castrated has been dealt a blow in California court.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mark Juhas ruled that Jeff Younger's ex-wife Anne Georgulas would be granted full custody of his 12-year-old son James and would be able to allow him to transition.

It comes as a blow to Younger, 59, who announced on X that he 'lost all parental rights' over his twins and wished his children goodbye. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14118499/father-pleaded-ex-wife-chemically-castrate-son-crushing-blow.html

[impartialobserver]

interesting. Wife is decidedly liberal and I am about mostly apolitical. I do not ask her who she votes for and she does not me. It is such a nothingburger. It probably helps that we only discuss politics about once every two weeks and usually only if it is local such as road xyz being built

[Radiorum]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It's literally classified as a disorder 

Gender dysphoria (GD), according to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM 5), is defined as a "marked incongruence between their experienced or expressed gender and the one they were assigned at birth." It was previously termed "gender identity disorder."

Gender Dysphoria - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

Gender dysphoria - Diagnosis and treatment - Mayo Clinic

You need to keep up with the science and not rely on outdated sources. Your terms are outdated.

ICD-11 has redefined gender identity-related health, replacing outdated diagnostic categories like ICD-10’s “transsexualism” and “gender identity disorder of children” with “gender incongruence of adolescence and adulthood” and “gender incongruence of childhood” respectively. Gender incongruence has been moved out of the “Mental and behavioural disorders” chapter and into the new “Conditions related to sexual health” chapter. This reflects current knowledge that trans-related and gender diverse identities are not conditions of mental ill-health, and that classifying them as such can cause enormous stigma. 

https://www.who.int/standards/classifications/frequently-asked-questions/gender-incongruence-and-transgender-health-in-the-icd

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Left untreated for long enough it prevents people from having happy healthy lives. It leaves them dysfunctional.  that's why it's bad. 

Yes, their mental stresses will be relieved when they are allowed to live their lives as who they are.

All research points to the fact that whatever mental strain they feel is because of the shame they are made to feel, and because of the discrimination they face, and the lack of support they might find in the their social circle.

 

 

[Radiorum]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

mutilating small children as part of the treatment.

But this is just not happening. It's like arguing against Santa Claus shooting people on 5th Avenue.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

treating this condition at the cost of the taxpayer especially in the states when Kamala Harris proposed it was to be provided at the taxpayers expense for illegal migrants who were being held in America. 

You'll have to provide your source for this as I do not believe you.

However, California has made this treatment available to prison inmates. This is based on two things:

1. The 8th amendment:

The legal reasons for providing health care to prisoners were stipulated in the 1976 Supreme Court Estelle v. Gamble decision, in which the Court held that deprivation of health care constituted cruel and unusual punishment 

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-prisoners-deserve-health-care/2008-02

2. Gender-affirming care is recognized the medical necessity of treatments for gender dysphoria and endorse such treatments. Here's the list  of medical associations that say so:

• American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
• American Academy of Dermatology
• American Academy of Family Physicians
• American Academy of Nursing
• American Academy of Pediatrics
• American Academy of Physician Assistants
• American College Health Association
• American College of Nurse-Midwives
• American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
• American College of Physicians
• American Counseling Association
• American Heart Association
• American Medical Association
• American Medical Student Association
• American Nurses Association
• American Osteopathic Association
• American Psychiatric Association
• American Psychological Association
• American Public Health Association
• American Society of Plastic Surgeons
• Endocrine Society
• Federation of Pediatric Organizations
• GLMA: Health Professionals Advancing LGBTQ Equality
• National Association of Nurse Practitioners in Women's Health
• National Association of Social Workers
• National Commission on Correctional Health Care
• Pediatric Endocrine Society
• Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine
• World Medical Association
• World Professional Association for Transgender Health

https://transhealthproject.org/resources/medical-organization-statements/

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

You need to keep up with the science and not rely on outdated sources. Your terms are outdated.

That was July. And no it's not outdated it's still listed in the same book the same way. 

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ICD-11 has redefined gender identity-related health, replacing outdated diagnostic categories like ICD-10’s “transsexualism” and “gender identity disorder of children” with “gender incongruence of adolescence and adulthood” and “gender incongruence of childhood” respectively. Gender incongruence has been moved out of the “Mental and behavioural disorders” chapter and into the new “Conditions related to sexual health” chapter. This reflects current knowledge that trans-related and gender diverse identities are not conditions of mental ill-health, and that classifying them as such can cause enormous stigma. 

https://www.who.int/standards/classifications/frequently-asked-questions/gender-incongruence-and-transgender-health-in-the-icd

 

 

Not even relevant kiddo. Those are entirely different issues. The word gender dysphoria does not even appear in that document

So once again you resort to lying. You post a link that has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing and pretend it somehow proves something.

Do you not read your links? Do you just Google search and hope like hell that what you're posting has some sort of relevance?

The very fact that you have to lie to try and make your point proves you don't have a point

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Yes, their mental stresses will be relieved when they are allowed to live their lives as who they are.

Nope. Go read the treatment

 

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All research points to the fact that whatever mental strain they feel is because of the shame they are made to feel,

Nope. Uttering complete lie. Having support around you can help a little bit but in no way shape or formed as a resolve the issue and you will still feel incredible suffering.

Once again you failed to provide any Relevant information and you're dishonest about the information that's been presented.

Which just goes to prove that the transgender rights argument is mostly made up of lies. You're proving that with every single post

[User]

2 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

But this is just not happening. It's like arguing against Santa Claus shooting people on 5th Avenue.

What is it you take issue with here exactly, the word small? Children certainly are having "gender-affirming" surgery performed on them. Do you deny that too?

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Radiorum said:

But this is just not happening. It's like arguing against Santa Claus shooting people on 5th Avenue.

But it was happening in fact. And if it isn't then you won't mind that there's laws being passed forbidding it will you. I mean if it never ever happens then there's no harm in having a law forbidding it.

Truth is it's happened thousands of times in Canada alone. There's actually a clinic in Ontario that specializes in it. Children over 14 didn't even need to have their parents approval to go for the consultations.

Once again, you have to lie.

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You'll have to provide your source for this as I do not believe you.

Tons of information on it with a simple web search.

And why would I bother looking it up for you? Every time I point you to the facts you lie and pretend they don't exist. I just named a very specific American text that outlines gender dysphoria as a disorder and you claimed it was out of date. The fact of the matter is it's absolutely up to date to this second.

Kamala was largely ridiculed for her stance on this during the election, this isn't contentious this is common knowledge. Look it up or live in ignorance your choice

 

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However, California has made this treatment available to prison inmates. This is based on two things:

So what? How is that relevant to what we were discussing? Did Kamala Harris bring that law in?

At the end of the day you're still back to the same point. Kamala wanted to extend that to illegal aliens in the united states in general. Generally speaking republicans have no interest in paying for illegal immigrants in custody to receive gender affirming operations at their expense.

Not complicated is it

 

[Black Dog]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I've never heard of a right winger opposing treatment at all.

A number of red states have pushed legislation to limit gender affirming care for adults. 

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In fact there's a fair bit of sympathy, more so than for homosexuals which are seen differently historically.

lol what? You guys had an extended freak out because Bud Light did a social media promotion with a trans influencer. Republicans banned a transgender member of Congress form using the bathroom that corresponds with their gender identity just to be dicks. The right has spent the last four years calling trans people )and drag queens who aren't even trans) groomers. The level of hostility by the right towards transpeople is sky high.

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What the right has a problem with is mutilating small children as part of the treatment. Experts have come out and said that's probably not a good idea. So it turns out the right was correct.

Yeah I know you guys love to lie about this stuff. Small children are not being "mutilated."

A study by researchers at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health found little to no usage of gender-affirming surgeries by transgender and gender-diverse minors in the U.S., instead finding that cisgender minors and adults had substantially higher utilization of such gender-affirming surgeries than their transgender counterparts.

In trans teens ages 15 to 17, the rate of gender-affirming surgery was 2.1 per 100,000, the study found -- a majority of which were chest surgeries. Physicians and researchers have told ABC News that surgeries on people under 18 happen rarely and are considered only on an individual basis.

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Many on the right also have an issue with treating this condition at the cost of the taxpayer especially in the states when Kamala Harris proposed it was to be provided at the taxpayers expense for illegal migrants who were being held in America. 

Harris never proposed that, why can't you guys stop lying about every goddamn thing? She filled out a meaningless ACLU survey indicating support for those things and subsequently did bugger all about any of it.

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But I have never heard of anyone saying that transgender adults shouldn't be allowed to take whatever treatment they want including hormone blockers, transitional surgery, etc.

If you haven't already you will soon because i guarantee that's the next frontier.

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

A number of red states have pushed legislation to limit gender affirming care for adults. 

Your link doesn't work. I actually suspect it's a problem with the board right now, I've seen this a couple of times. All it does is link to the beginning of the thread

So I went looking using the basic text to see if I can find examples. Everything I found included the words "for  youth"

Did you have something that shows them denying it for adults who want to make their own decisions? Because I don't think you do

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lol what? You guys had an extended freak out because Bud Light did a social media promotion with a trans influencer.

There is no extended freak out. People just stop buying Bud Light. I know you like to portray things like that as being a freak out but the reality is it's not

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Yeah I know you guys love to lie about this stuff. Small children are not being "mutilated."

Sorry but they are

The absolute number of GAS procedures rose from 4552 in 2016 to a peak of 13 011 in 2019 and then declined slightly to 12 818 in 2020. Overall, 25 099 patients (52.3%) were aged 19 to 30 years, 10 476 (21.8%) were aged 31 to 40, and 3678 (7.7%) were aged12 to 18 years. 

National Estimates of Gender-Affirming Surgery in the US | Obstetrics and Gynecology | JAMA Network Open | JAMA Network

That's 3,600. And they are being mutilated, by the very definition of the word

 

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why can't you guys stop lying about every goddamn thing? 

Asks the guy who just lied about some goddamn thing

48 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

She filled out a meaningless ACLU survey indicating support for those things and subsequently did bugger all about any of it.

She spoke publicly about it and in support of it on talk shows and media. But again you have to lie and I notice no links or anything ? (gasp!!!!)

49 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

If you haven't already you will soon because i guarantee that's the next frontier.

If it needs to be. Hopefully you Brainless dolts will learn your lesson before then and stop picking fights

[WestCanMan]

On 11/26/2024 at 2:19 PM, Radiorum said:

You need to keep up with the science and not rely on outdated sources. Your terms are outdated.

Leftards know as much about science as they do about heterosexual intercourse. Never use that word again, dummy.

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ICD-11 has redefined gender identity-related health, replacing outdated diagnostic categories like ICD-10’s “transsexualism” and “gender identity disorder of children” with “gender incongruence of adolescence and adulthood” and “gender incongruence of childhood” respectively. Gender incongruence has been moved out of the “Mental and behavioural disorders” chapter and into the new “Conditions related to sexual health” chapter. This reflects current knowledge that trans-related and gender diverse identities are not conditions of mental ill-health, and that classifying them as such can cause enormous stigma. 

Blaaah, blah blahhhh, blah blaaahhhh.

People have been convicted in courts of law before, based on the "mental health science" BS of the day, only to be let out once said "science" had been redefined as sheer quackery.

It's the epitome of arrogance to think that today's pseudo-science is the real shiznit, never to be questioned again.

Children are having their genitalia hacked off as a result of adults misleading them about the realities of trans life. 

[WestCanMan]

I wonder what percent of the mental health science "knowledge" that we have today comes from the oh-so-scientific research that was done on human lab rats in sanatoriums all across NA and Europe during the last half of the 20th century...

There are millions of examples of humans being shitty to other humans, but there is no small number of "mental health professionals" who belong in the same group with with nazis and islamists if you think about it. 

[Black Dog]

On 11/27/2024 at 12:19 PM, CdnFox said:

Your link doesn't work. I actually suspect it's a problem with the board right now, I've seen this a couple of times. All it does is link to the beginning of the thread

So I went looking using the basic text to see if I can find examples. Everything I found included the words "for  youth"

Did you have something that shows them denying it for adults who want to make their own decisions? Because I don't think you do

Why am I not surprised your research skills suck shit too.,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/28/anti-trans-bills-gender-affirming-care-adults/

https://www.axios.com/2024/01/10/trans-care-adults-red-states

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/17/1176600711/republicans-in-several-states-push-for-limits-on-gender-affirming-care-for-adult
 

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There is no extended freak out. People just stop buying Bud Light. I know you like to portray things like that as being a freak out but the reality is it's not

LOL it was absolutely a freak out. People were posting videos of them shooting cases of Bud light, dumping out cases of the stuff, shit like that. You f*ckers wouldn't shut up about it for months.

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Sorry but they are

1. the 12-18 age group includes actual adults. We need to see the numbers without the 18 year olds.

2. The study doesn't did not exclude procedures with clinical justifications outside of gender affirmation.

3. You said "small children". No one considers adolescents small children.

4. The majority of gender affirming surgeries for minors are breast reduction surgeries carried out on cisgender males. In other words: removing man boobs.

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Asks the guy who just lied about some goddamn thing

LOL you failed, better go back to lying.

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She spoke publicly about it and in support of it on talk shows and media. But again you have to lie and I notice no links or anything ? (gasp!!!!)

How are you so f*ckin retarded that you still don't know how arguments work? You made the claim, you bring the evidence. I'm tired of spoonfeeding you.

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If it needs to be. Hopefully you Brainless dolts will learn your lesson before then and stop picking fights

LOL thanks for conceding my entire point regarding the right's hostility to trans people as a whole. F*ckin loser.

Edited November 28, 2024 by Black Dog

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Why am I not surprised your research skills suck shit too.,

 

You can't even post a link properly and somehow once again it's my fault  

I haven't even looked yet and i already know your links are going to be more lies.  Lets look. 

 

 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/28/anti-trans-bills-gender-affirming-care-adults/

This bill would not limit gender affirming care for anybody. It addresses who pays for it. They don't want the state and taxpayer dollars paying for it, but anybody can still go and get the surgery done if their own personal insurance pays or they're paying for it out of their pocket.

So you lied for that one. Strike one

 

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https://www.axios.com/2024/01/10/trans-care-adults-red-states

Took a bit of digging but that one doesn't actually limit care either. Not only was the bill shot down but it actually didn't limit care, it simply would have required that a doctor sign off on the care first. The idea of having doctors approve medical treatments he's not entirely unusual. So strike too

 

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https://www.npr.org/2023/05/17/1176600711/republicans-in-several-states-push-for-limits-on-gender-affirming-care-for-adult

 

That one just talks about the first two which as we noted don't actually restrict care.

So Strike three

So no big surprise that I couldn't find this on my own, seeing is the problem was you were lying. None of these restrict care. They restrict who's going to pay for it and they also say that if you're getting medical treatments a doctor should be involved. Nice try

 

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LOL it was absolutely a freak out. 

No no you just desperately wanted to be. And the reason you want it to be is because You know what was said was true and you don't want to deal with it. So rather than address the legitimate point raised you are simply trying to hide behind the idea that somehow everybody freaked out over nothing. I pointed this little tactic of the left out I'm about a million times on this site alone.

The view is a popular TV show that frequently spreads misinformation and was very popular with the left for doing so. They're now getting in trouble for it and becoming nervous about it as the original story suggests.

 

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1. the 12-18 age group includes actual adults. 

Nope. Unless you're going to suggest that all of them are 18 which we know not to be true then it's still a simple fact that children are being mutilated. So that was another thing you lied about

 

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How are you so f*ckin retarded that you still don't know how arguments work? You made the claim, you bring the evidence. I'm tired of spoonfeeding you.

No that particular one was your plan. And evidence was already provided to show that's how she felt. If you feel the evidence isn't good enough then it is on you to prove otherwise.

See that really is how arguments work. You are free to discredit somebody's evidence but if you choose to do so or say that it's not good enough you have to provide your own.

 

I know I know. If we take your sea lioning away you won't have anything to argue with. God knows that facts and truth don't work for you  

 

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LOL thanks for conceding my entire point regarding the right's hostility to trans people as a whole. F*ckin loser.

ROFLMAO!! Well if your point was that if you continue to attack the right without cause or merit then the right might very well choose to react if necessary then yes, I imagine I did  

[Black Dog]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You can't even post a link properly and somehow once again it's my fault  I haven't even looked yet and i already know your links are going to be more lies.  Lets look. 

You can't do a simple google search, that's your fault.

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This bill would not limit gender affirming care for anybody. It addresses who pays for it. They don't want the state and taxpayer dollars paying for it, but anybody can still go and get the surgery done if their own personal insurance pays or they're paying for it out of their pocket.

So you lied for that one. Strike one

In other words it limits gender affirming care to people with insurance or the means to pay for it themselves. That's a restriction, that's how these things work.

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Took a bit of digging but that one doesn't actually limit care either. Not only was the bill shot down but it actually didn't limit care, it simply would have required that a doctor sign off on the care first. The idea of having doctors approve medical treatments he's not entirely unusual. So strike too

Not "a" doctor, several doctors.

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  The rules would require minors and adults to get approval from an endocrinologist, psychiatrist and bioethicist before receiving gender-affirming care.

  • Providers would also have to report to the state each gender dysphoria diagnosis, any time they initiate treatment and details about the cessation of treatment, according to the draft regulations.

Those are also restrictions/limits on adults.

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That one just talks about the first two which as we noted don't actually restrict care.

Except they literally do. Wait do you not know what the word "restrict" means?

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So no big surprise that I couldn't find this on my own, seeing is the problem was you were lying.

I got those results by putting the text "A number of red states have pushed legislation to limit gender affirming care for adults." into Google and those were all on the first page. You said that's what you did and didn't find anything, so either you're lying about having done a search or you were lying about not finding anything in the results. No big surprise either way.

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None of these restrict care. They restrict who's going to pay for it and they also say that if you're getting medical treatments a doctor should be involved. Nice try

lmao beyond parody.

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No no you just desperately wanted to be. And the reason you want it to be is because You know what was said was true and you don't want to deal with it. So rather than address the legitimate point raised you are simply trying to hide behind the idea that somehow everybody freaked out over nothing. I pointed this little tactic of the left out I'm about a million times on this site alone.

You always pretend there's some legitimate point being ignored, but there seldom is. The simple fact is all bud light did was do a social media promotion with a transgender person and the right turned it into a major boycott and social media freakout. It was in the news for weeks, you dumb c*nts couldn't stop taking about it.

Maybe you don't consider that a freakout because the baseline for right wing discourse is constant outrage and grievance.

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The view is a popular TV show that frequently spreads misinformation and was very popular with the left for doing so. They're now getting in trouble for it and becoming nervous about it as the original story suggests.

Wrong thread, dipshit!

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Nope. Unless you're going to suggest that all of them are 18 which we know not to be true then it's still a simple fact that children are being mutilated. So that was another thing you lied about

Again, your claim was "small children" not adolescents. And it's quite possible and indeed highly likely the handful of young people in question were in the older cohort.

There's no evidence anyone under 12 ever getting gender affirming surgery, and of the tiny number of those surgeries that actually did happen for 12-17 year olds, 97% were for cisgender boys getting their manboobs removed. You goddamned dope.

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No that particular one was your plan. And evidence was already provided to show that's how she felt. If you feel the evidence isn't good enough then it is on you to prove otherwise.

See that really is how arguments work. You are free to discredit somebody's evidence but if you choose to do so or say that it's not good enough you have to provide your own.

You didn't present any evidence that "Kamala Harris proposed it was to be provided at the taxpayers expense for illegal migrants."

As i clarified: she filled out an ACLU survey indicating support for that, but that's not the same as proposing it or actually doing anything to bring it about, which she certainly could have as VP.

You also didn't present any evidence for your claim that Harris "spoke publicly about it and in support of it on talk shows and media".  None at all. As usual.

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I know I know. If we take your sea lioning away you won't have anything to argue with. God knows that facts and truth don't work for you  

You don't know what that term means lol.

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ROFLMAO!! Well if your point was that if you continue to attack the right without cause or merit then the right might very well choose to react if necessary then yes, I imagine I did  

"You called us bigots so we had no choice but to become bigots and prove you right" is a such a fascinating insight into how your diseased brains function.  

Edited November 29, 2024 by Black Dog

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

You can't do a simple google search, that's your fault.

 

Turns out I did my Google search just fine. You just lied and what you said was there wasn't.

Sorry kiddo, that's on you.

3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

In other words it limits gender affirming care to people with insurance or the means to pay for it themselves.

Not at all. You're welcome to pay for as many as you like if you want the doctors welcome to do it for free if he feels like it.

But it says that taxpayers won't pay for it. And in my first statement i said basically 'they don't care if people do it. They DO care that taxpayers don't pay for it" 

And you're the one saying "No no no no that's not true they're limiting it for adults as well!!"

Then you post an article saying people don't want to pay for it. 

Let's cut this a little short. It is not restricting services whatsoever to say that government programs won't pay for specific non-essential surgery. That has always been the case in America and is in fact the case in Canada. So when you said that they wanted to limit the treatments available to these people that was a lie.

It's also extremely common that significant medical procedures require doctors to consult and authorize the surgeries before they happen. That is in no way shape or form limiting Care.  And that was your argument. 

Bud light Did a minor ride campaign with a trans person. And people didn't like it. As I've been saying for quite some time and a lot of others have said as well people are sick of the woke. So they just stopped buying that product. And the interesting thing is the sales number suggest very strongly it wasn't just conservatives. A lot of people are just sick to death of woke crap and they got fed up and just said I'm not buying any more of that product. That's it

3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Again, your claim was "small children" not adolescents.

12-year-olds are small children. For that matter so we're 14-year-olds.

Once again now that you've lost an argument you're going to try and play some sort of weird semantics game. These are children who are being mutilated. In fact it is the very definition of being mutilated.

And the fact that you try and lie and weasel about it kind of proves my point. You know it's wrong, but you don't want to say it.

There's no point in providing any evidence with regards to Kamala Harris. As we've seen even with clear evidence you just lie and pretend that the evidence isn't there. It can be found in 3 seconds with a Google search. You remember at the top of this where you tried to pretend you were mad at me because I didn't do a Google search to find your information the way you thought I should have? Go do a Google search

Enough of your sea Lion bullshit. And how could I not know what the term means with one of the kings of sea lioners of all times right in front of me. 

3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

"You called us bigots so we had no choice but to become bigots and prove you right" is a such a fascinating insight into how your diseased brains function.  

Once again, you have to lie in order to try to make your point because you don't have a point.

Nobody said anything about calling people bigots. I'm talking about going after people's kids, I'm talking about forcing people's mothers and daughters to have to stare at a penis in a changing room to make you happy. I'm talking about demanding that children's Parents have no right and should not be informed if their kid is looking at gender changing surgery through the education system. I'm talking about towns and schools and other people being forced to celebrate trans events even if they don't agree with it.

In short I'm talking about the attack by the trans community on basic human rights that other people have.

And yeah. If that's what it comes to and if that continues then I guarantee you there will be blowback

[Black Dog]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Turns out I did my Google search just fine. You just lied and what you said was there wasn't.

Sorry kiddo, that's on you.

There wasn't what? Do you speak english, dipshit?

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Let's cut this a little short. It is not restricting services whatsoever to say that government programs won't pay for specific non-essential surgery. That has always been the case in America and is in fact the case in Canada. So when you said that they wanted to limit the treatments available to these people that was a lie.

If such treatments were formerly paid for and then that's changed so they no longer are, that's a restriction. And that's the whole point, to make it so onerous to get care,that people are functionally unable to do so.

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It's also extremely common that significant medical procedures require doctors to consult and authorize the surgeries before they happen. That is in no way shape or form limiting Care.  And that was your argument. 

Name another medical procedure that you need to get an endocrinologist, psychiatrist and bioethicist to sign off on first.

I highly doubt Ohio requires someone wanting a breast reduction or nose job jump through those hoops.

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Bud light Did a minor ride campaign with a trans person. And people didn't like it. As I've been saying for quite some time and a lot of others have said as well people are sick of the woke. So they just stopped buying that product. And the interesting thing is the sales number suggest very strongly it wasn't just conservatives. A lot of people are just sick to death of woke crap and they got fed up and just said I'm not buying any more of that product. That's it

They did not just stop buying the product. They launched a organized campaign, they made a whole big deal out of it in the media and on socials. Your attempts to gaslight us aren't gonna work, i saw the videos, the FOX News reports the wave of insane right wingers on Twitter foaming at the mouth about it.

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12-year-olds are small children. For that matter so we're 14-year-olds.

Again: no one consider adolescents small children that's why they're called adolescents. and not small children.

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Once again now that you've lost an argument you're going to try and play some sort of weird semantics game. These are children who are being mutilated. In fact it is the very definition of being mutilated.

The only one playing semantic games here is you because you clearly can't back up your claims so you have to move the goalposts about what constitutes "small children" while ignoring the evidence that gender affirming surgery is extremely rare and predominantly done on cisgender males.

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And the fact that you try and lie and weasel about it kind of proves my point. You know it's wrong, but you don't want to say it.

I think it's clear who the lying weasel here is and it ain't me babe.

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There's no point in providing any evidence with regards to Kamala Harris. As we've seen even with clear evidence you just lie and pretend that the evidence isn't there. It can be found in 3 seconds with a Google search.

lol "it's easy to find but i won't do it" get f*cked loser.

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You remember at the top of this where you tried to pretend you were mad at me because I didn't do a Google search to find your information the way you thought I should have? Go do a Google search

I already did: that's how I know you're lying. The only references are to her ACLU survey. No actual proposals or policies or anything like that. Wah wah.

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Enough of your sea Lion bullshit. And how could I not know what the term means with one of the kings of sea lioners of all times right in front of me. 

Because you're stupid.

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Once again, you have to lie in order to try to make your point because you don't have a point.

Always with the projection.

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Nobody said anything about calling people bigots. I'm talking about going after people's kids, I'm talking about forcing people's mothers and daughters to have to stare at a penis in a changing room to make you happy. I'm talking about demanding that children's Parents have no right and should not be informed if their kid is looking at gender changing surgery through the education system. I'm talking about towns and schools and other people being forced to celebrate trans events even if they don't agree with it.

In short I'm talking about the attack by the trans community on basic human rights that other people have.

And yeah. If that's what it comes to and if that continues then I guarantee you there will be blowback

Amazing: all this shit your mad about is completely made up. Like literally none of this stuff is happening. Nobody in any change room is being forced to stare at anyone's genitals, maybe if you went to the gym you'd know this. The education system is not facilitating gender surgery, that's insane. Nobody is being forced to celebrate trans events, you're nuts.

It's pretty obvious what's happening here is you whackjobs are making up a bunch of bullshit fake problems in order to create the permission structure to act on the bigotry you already feel deep down.

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[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Black Dog said:

There wasn't what? Do you speak english, dipshit?

What you said was there wasn't there.  In fairness you have to speak English at a higher than grade three level to get that, I should have remembered my audience

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If such treatments were formerly paid for and then that's changed so they no longer are, that's a restriction.

No that's completely stupid. It isn't restricting anything. Your access to those operations are exactly the same as they always work, this is about funding and has absolutely nothing to do with restricting access. There are a lot of medical procedures that the governments medicare does not fund.

So what's happened here is you made a ridiculous claim and you've discovered you were wrong. And rather than deal with the fact that you're wrong you go on for paragraph after paragraph claiming that English words don't mean what English words clearly mean.

There's no restriction here. In order to preserve Medicare it cannot pay for all treatments to all things to all people. So there are a lot of procedures and things that it simply will not cover, and this is one of them. But that in no way shape or form means you have any less access to having the medical procedures done, it just means that you have to pay for it yourself.

There was no significant organized campaign against Bud Light. Swinging a miss on your part kiddo

And it's amazing how many aspartations you make without providing proof considering how much you claim that nobody else provides proof

And yes, it's very obvious that you are the liar here. Just got caught at it again moments ago. And then you play the game where english words don't mean what they actually mean.

 Oh and as to kammy - you lied again. This popped up top of the list with a simple google search

 

12 year olds are children btw. So you lied there again as well.  

 

you've got nothing left kiddo. All you can do is pretend that english words don't mean what they clearly mean. 

Children DO get mutilated in surgeries. 

Kamala DID openly speak about AND PUSH FOR gender affirming surgeries for anyone INCLUDING ILLEGALS in prison.  

Nobody moved any goalposts. 

 

You've lost yet again.  And it's lies like yours that cost the dems the election.  People are done with your brand of bullshit.