Who will Make Canada Great Again?

[Dougie93]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Our climate change policies alone are robbing us of wealth

let the naive Normies burn in a fire of their own making

let them enjoy the features of being homeless in tent cities

Environmentalist Trudueauvilles are just desserts

since the masses only learn by suffering in the end

even better when the Americans are eating Canada's lunch therein

that's not soon to be forgotten, seared into the priggish Canadian psyche for decades to come

Edited December 13, 2024 by Dougie93

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That half of all America's deaths occurred in the 1st three months in New York? If you're saying you posted evidence of that you're lying.

Nobody said that. But of course you have to lie about it because that's all you have. You realize you were wrong about trump being responsible for the covid deaths so you're trying to shift the conversation to something I never even claimed never mind dealing with the things I did claim that I provided proof about.

You spent months cowering in fear scared to speak to me and now that you're talking again this is the best you can do? No wonder you were scared

[eyeball]

48 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

nothing is more desperate than the pathetic attempts to defend Trudeau

No, it's defending the truth that's at issue here. What's pathetic is the depths to which people will stoop to attack it.

You figure what these dingle-nuts are saying about epicenters and density rings true? Is that the fog of war swirling about your senses or the fog of ideology?

[I am Groot]

On 12/12/2024 at 12:51 PM, Politics1990 said:

not at all but  keep thinking  that lol

It might not be a criminal government but I'm pretty sure it's got a lot of criminals in it. Too much money has disappeared and the Liberals have told CRA not to investigate where all that covid money went, and put too much effort into stonewalling investigations and refusing to answer questions or provide legally required documents to the House.

[I am Groot]

23 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

You just posted that Canada could become one of the most prosperous, and successful nations in the World, when we already have been for the past 100 years.

Let's compare ourselves to the West and not Pakistan or Nigeria, okay?

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

This idea Trump is a great peacemaker has always struck me as amusing. The guy is a notorious lifelong bully who cares about nothing but himself. He bullies smaller countries and cowers before larger ones. If he settles the Ukrainian war it will come from him forcing Ukraine to surrender virtually everything Russia wants with no real guarantee they won't attack again.

20 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

That is strange. There were more deaths from COVID in America (especially per-capita) than more densely populated areas such as India, China, Indonesia, Spain, Italy, France, Germany, Lapan, Korea, Phillippines, Vietnam, Pakistan, Hong Kong, Mexico, etc.

There are a lot more fat and old people in America than in the Third World or Europe. Also a lot of people with untreated diseases -who were fat and old.

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10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

 

There are a lot more fat and old people in America than in the Third World or Europe. Also a lot of people with untreated diseases -who were fat and old.

Actually, the United States has a younger population than every country in Europe:

Median age by country:

Italy 48.1

Germany 46.7

Spain 46.3

France 42.4

Canada 42.4

Russia 41.5

Sweden 41.0

United Kingdom 40.6

United States 38.8

Edited December 13, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

"I thought that a really good way for a country to develop wealth and fight climate change would be to stop producing their own domestic energy, like oil, and import their oil from across the world, in places like Saudi Arabia that have better labour laws. Then we could also tax our people on the oil that they buy, and give that money to other countries." - Trudeau

Trudeau doesn't give a damn about climate change or fighting it.  He's a poseur. It's all about him and his image. He wants US to lower emissions so he can flaunt his virtue and 'goodness'. If us lowering our emissions just moves them elsewhere, or even increases the amount that's fine with him as long as he looks good.

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2 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Trudeau doesn't give a damn about climate change or fighting it.  He's a poseur. It's all about him and his image. He wants US to lower emissions so he can flaunt his virtue and 'goodness'. If us lowering our emissions just moves them elsewhere, or even increases the amount that's fine with him as long as he looks good.

Actually,  Trudeau seems very sincere in regards to fighting climate change. So do most first World countries. Unfortunately, the United States is messing everything up. I guess you were not around when all those forest fires were burning in 2023.

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

To be honest our integration of other races besides European did go very well, back when we were under Harper's old system of relatively small influxes, mentor programs only and bountiful resources to integrate them in the society and not force them to cluster into little groups because they had no resources.

I posted the rebuttal to this on another thread not that long ago. A report by Immigration Canada in 2017. They didn't get that bad after just a year of Trudeau. Things had already gotten bad after years and years of heavy immigration which Harper never slowed. It showed growing ethnic enclaves, declining economic success rate for immigrants, less of them bothering to learn English or French, difficulty finding housing - this was in 2017 - difficulty obtaining healthcare and growing religious tensions. This bloody report foresaw everything that has gone wrong based on what had already started to go wrong. We can and absolutely should blame Trudeau and his government of airheads for ignoring it, but they just took a bad situation and made it infinitely worse. It was already bad.

“Declining outcomes of recent immigrants have shown that integration is not automatic,” says the report, which surveys emerging problems with immigration flows and the pressure it’s putting on Canadian sectors.

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canada-struggling-to-absorb-immigrants-internal-report-says

 

Edited December 13, 2024 by I am Groot

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That half of all America's deaths occurred in the 1st three months in New York? If you're saying you posted evidence of that you're lying.

He always lies.

All we have to do is fact check his posts. 95% are incorrect. I think  it may be a case of @CdnFox not being able to understand science.

Edited December 13, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And at a time when the government should have been bringing people together they tore people apart

There was an election to win, man!

7 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Actually,  Trudeau seems very sincere in regards to fighting climate change. So do most first World countries. Unfortunately, the United States is messing everything up. I guess you were not around when all those forest fires were burning in 2023.

Two thirds of emissions (and growing) come from the developing world. And they keep building coal plants. The West's emissions have been steadily declining but not nearly enough to make up for the heavy growth from the developing world.

[Dougie93]

26 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, it's defending the truth that's at issue here. What's pathetic is the depths to which people will stoop to attack it.

who needs to attack Trudeau anymore ?

I've learned to appreciate Trudeau,  I hope he stays to the bitter end

since he is dragging the Liberals into the political wilderness for generations to come

[I am Groot]

14 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Actually, the United States has a younger population than every country in Europe:

Median age by country:

Italy 48.1

Germany 46.7

Spain 46.3

France 42.4

Canada 42.4

Russia 41.5

Sweden 41.0

United Kingdom 40.6

United States 38.8

But those people have public healthcare and the US doesn't, so they didn't have all the untreated illnesses in their population. They also tend to be a lot less fat than Americans.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That half of all America's deaths occurred in the 1st three months in New York? If you're saying you posted evidence of that you're lying.

If you're saying that's what i claimed then you're lying. 

THe 'half of the deaths' thing is your fabrication entirely. I never said that. 

You lied and claimed that trump was responsible for the fact that there were more deaths in the US than in Canada.

I correctly pointed out that that was not true and that many of the issues were regional (under state control) and that a lot of deaths had occured due to population density (overcrowding more accurately) in areas where there was a major breakout early on like new york.  And that when you look at a lot of the later data after the initial blurbs the us didn't look much different than canada ( somthing like 1.25 to 1.15 or the like as i recall). 

You completely fabricated this idea that somehow that meant that half of all deaths occurred in New York in 3 months.

And yes i absolutely did provide proof that i was correct. 

Further it seems DUI feels you were also claiming that the colder it was the more covid deaths there were.  I don't remember you saying that but he did drag you into it. I provided a bunch of actual studies proving that's false too. 

As usual you can't refute what I actually said so you attempt to create something I never said and then argue with that.

I am not responsible for what the voices in your head say. I can only tell you what I said

But sure, go ahead and post where I said that half of America's deaths took place in New York in the first 3 months. Post where I said that

[WestCanMan]

17 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

This idea Trump is a great peacemaker has always struck me as amusing. The guy is a notorious lifelong bully who cares about nothing but himself. He bullies smaller countries and cowers before larger ones.

It stems from the fact that he obliterated islamic state in about 1/10th of what Obama said it would take, he ended the constant stream of terrorist attacks against the US by killing all of their leaders, he tore Iran's head off and sh1t down their throat, the Afghanistan war was winding down without a whimper, and Russia/Ukraine was 100% peaceful while he was president.

I don't know how any of that is amusing. 

The world was a dumpster fire when Trump took over, he handed it over to Biden all nice and tidy with a bow on it, and it all turned back to absolute sh1t under Biden.

Just who did he cower before?

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If he settles the Ukrainian war it will come from him forcing Ukraine to surrender virtually everything Russia wants with no real guarantee they won't attack again.

Every inch that was lost in the Ukraine war was lost under Biden, and because of him. 

If you think that "strong words" can get Russia to just abandon everything that they conquered, then why didn't Biden say those words 4 years ago? 3 years ago? 2 years ago? Last year? Why did hundreds of thousands of people have to die? And after all that, you expect Russia to just give all that land back?

Was that supposed to be some kind of joke?

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3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

There was an election to win, man!

Two thirds of emissions (and growing) come from the developing world. And they keep building coal plants. The West's emissions have been steadily declining but not nearly enough to make up for the heavy growth from the developing world.

That all depends on what countries are considered "developing." One could make a legitimate argument that China should not be included in the Developing World, as their standard of living has improved dramatically in the past 25 years.

China is responsible for 34% of the greenhouse gases in the World. If we include China in the developing World, you are correct. If not, the developed World produces more greenhouse gases than the developing World. 

It should be noted that China has not curtailed their emissions at all. The United States is second with 12.% of emissions.

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8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

Further it seems DUI feels you were also claiming that the colder it was the more covid deaths there were.  I don't remember you saying that but he did drag you into it. I provided a bunch of actual studies proving that's false too. 

It's already been proven that there are more COVID cases in colder climates, than in Warner climates. I presented two scientific studies of this, but you plugged your ears, and sang "It's raining Men" by the Weather Girls.  as the old saying goes, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it."

[WestCanMan]

33 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I posted the rebuttal to this on another thread not that long ago. A report by Immigration Canada in 2017. They didn't get that bad after just a year of Trudeau.

Immigration used to be at around 240k per year, but it has been double that for the past few years under Trudeau - right at half a million. 

I don't know if that's what's to blame for the rising homelessness here. 

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

It's already been proven that there are more COVID cases in colder climates, than in Warner climates. I presented two scientific studies of this, but you plugged your ears, and sang "It's raining Men" by the Weather Girls.  as the old saying goes, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it."

Sorry but the scientific studies did not support your position. I presented later works which very clearly demonstrated that what you're saying is not true. The warmest states in America suffered the highest Fatality rates over the course of covid. Amusingly it's thought that this may be due to air conditioning, in other words people tend to stay inside and share colder air than outside when it's hot and this may lead to the spread.  Colder air conditioned air can also promote the initial growth of the virus making cases more severe.  When it's 27 outside people dont' bother with air conditioning as much and don't feel the need to stay inside. When it's 35 they want to stay out of the heat and everyone wants to stay where it's air conditioned. 

But whatever the reason in the end as i posted proof of the warmest states for the most part had the highest death rates with only a few exceptions. 

I believe i previously posted this, here it is again, 

Effects of High Temperature on COVID‐19 Deaths in U.S. Counties - PMC

The daily mean temperature is approximately positively correlated with COVID‐19 deaths nationwide, with a relative risk of 1.108 (95% confidence interval: 1.046, 1.173) in the 90th percentile of the mean temperature distribution compared with the median temperature. In addition, 0.02 YLL per COVID‐19 death attributable to high temperature are estimated at the national level, and distinct spatial variability from −0.10 to 0.08 years is observed in different states. Our results provide new evidence on the relationship between high temperature and COVID‐19 deaths, which might help us to understand the underlying modulation of the COVID‐19 pandemic by meteorological variables and to develop epidemic policy response strategies.

this is a research paper which was produced well after the initial thoughts of your articles.

The only thing worse than failing badly once his returning to fail badly in exactly the same way again  well done  

Edited December 13, 2024 by CdnFox

[eyeball]

36 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If you're saying that's what i claimed then you're lying. 

No I'm saying that's what would have to happen to validate your claim that the actual US death rate was almost exactly comparable outside your epicenter density and insane casualty rate.

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Specifically New York. If you take out there insane casualty rate early in the pandemic due to the fact that people were not advised to avoid mass public transportation then the actual death rate was almost exactly comparable to Canada or any other country.

 

 

Edited December 13, 2024 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Immigration used to be at around 240k per year, but it has been double that for the past few years under Trudeau - right at half a million. 

I don't know if that's what's to blame for the rising homelessness here. 

There's a great deal of evidence to suggest it plays a significant role.

When there aren't enough homes for the people that need homes, what happens is supply and demand kind of kicks in and prices begin to climb. Eventually the bottom part of society is forced out of the housing market because they can't afford it. The percentage of those who are forced out of housing crimes as the price climbs would becomes more unaffordable.

So let's say that 5% of the population under normal conditions can't get their act together well enough to afford a home be at rental or otherwise and are on the street. As rental prices rise even those who are working can't afford to live by themselves anymore pretty soon they wind up in a situation where they are either homeless or living in mobile housing such as out of their vehicle or a camper. And that percentage continues to increase as the price of rental goes up.

We have been increasing our population faster than we are producing homes and have been for at least a decade probably more like two decades and that phenomenon has been increasing at a rapid pace under Trudeau. Our population increases due to immigration of course at the moment.

Which means that it's not exactly immigration that is driving that homelessness, but because the immigration is being allowed at a rate higher than our ability to produce new homes for the immigrants it creates a situation where homelessness as a percentage of the population is increasing and is going to continue to increase because the price of rental will continue to increase. And as it does more and more people are forced out of the market

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No I'm saying that's what would have to happen to validate your claim

Yeah you're making shit up that I never said. And you're wrong of course as I've pointed out.

One of your favorite tricks, if you can't argue against what I actually said then you just lie about what I said and argue with that.

But I appreciate you at least admitting it rather than pretending otherwise for a change

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah you're making shit up that I never said.

You didn't say this?

On 12/12/2024 at 3:45 PM, CdnFox said:

If you take out there insane casualty rate early in the pandemic due to the fact that people were not advised to avoid mass public transportation then the actual death rate was almost exactly comparable to Canada or any other country.

You're saying someone hacked your account?

[I am Groot]

34 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Immigration used to be at around 240k per year, but it has been double that for the past few years under Trudeau - right at half a million. 

Immigration used to around 85k per year until Mulroney raised it to 225 because her was convinced by his immigration minister that immigrants, especially those from non-democratic backgrounds, would be grateful to his party for letting them in and would be lifelong party supporters.

At the time of the report, though, he'd just raised it to 300k

34 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't know if that's what's to blame for the rising homelessness here. 

It's clearly a big part of it, along with our unrestrained flood of refugees, our massive increase in foreign workers for unskilled labour, and our massive increase in foreign student workers.

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

It should be noted that China has not curtailed their emissions at all. The United States is second with 12.% of emissions.

It should also be noted that while China's emissions continue to grow the American emissions have gone down. More than ours, in fact, last time I heard.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

It stems from the fact that he obliterated islamic state in about 1/10th of what Obama said it would take, he ended the constant stream of terrorist attacks against the US by killing all of their leaders, he tore Iran's head off and sh1t down their throat, the Afghanistan war was winding down without a whimper, and Russia/Ukraine was 100% peaceful while he was president.

I'm not going to get into an argument over your interesting interpretation of history, but merely say I disagree with that interpretation in its entirety.

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Every inch that was lost in the Ukraine war was lost under Biden, and because of him. 

Again, an interesting take not supported by fact. The only reason Ukraine still exists is because Biden, much to the surprise of the Kremlin, rallied the West and poured arms into Ukraine. If it had been Trump, well, Trump would have done nothing. Ukraine would be a part of Russia by now, and the Russians would probably be moving on Georgia. Trump is not going to stand up to Russia on behalf of a bunch of foreigners who neither pay him nor can benefit him.