PA Supreme Court Orders Counties To Stop Counting Illegal Ballots

[CouchPotato]

Pennsylvania’s high court orders counties not to count disputed ballots in US Senate race

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HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Pennsylvania’s state Supreme Court on Monday weighed in on a flashpoint amid ongoing vote counting in the U.S. Senate election between Democratic Sen. Bob Casey and Republican David McCormick, ordering counties not to count mail-in ballots that lack a correct handwritten date on the return envelope.

The order is a win for McCormick and a loss for Casey as the campaigns prepare for a statewide recount and press counties for favorable ballot-counting decisions. The Democratic-majority high court’s order reiterates the position it took previously that the ballots shouldn’t be counted in the election, a decision that three Democratic-controlled counties nevertheless have challenged.

https://apnews.com/article/casey-mccormick-pennsylvania-senate-court-recount-b6c9ee8faac20d6272a54900e2d570e7

[impartialobserver]

this is standard practice.... not nearly as salacious or shocking as the OP likes to believe. 

[CouchPotato]

3 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

this is standard practice.... not nearly as salacious or shocking as the OP likes to believe. 

How salacious or shocking do I believe this is?

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, CouchPotato said:

How salacious or shocking do I believe this is?

obviously you intended to get a reaction. The more shocking the story, the greater the reaction. This is standard practice with mail in votes. 

[CouchPotato]

7 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

obviously you intended to get a reaction. The more shocking the story, the greater the reaction. This is standard practice with mail in votes. 

Or maybe I just posted a news article about a court ruling today in a current senate race.

Edited November 18, 2024 by CouchPotato

[impartialobserver]

4 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Or maybe I just posted a news article about a court ruling today in a current senate race.

I do not buy into that. You were hoping that folks would clamor about stolen elections, cheating, and get all worked up. 

[CouchPotato]

Just now, impartialobserver said:

I do not buy into that. You were hoping that folks would clamor about stolen elections, cheating, and get all worked up. 

O      K, then

[gatomontes99]

Yep. Nothing to see here. D court said you can't count illegal votes. Board said F U, we are doing it anyway. Court said no, you can't cheat.

 

https://x.com/JohnCremeansUSA/status/1858626291617935480?t=Ej9Dd7fvDiX2fZl9wN9kxA&s=19

Blatantly cheating and they aren't even sorry about it.

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

this is standard practice.... not nearly as salacious or shocking as the OP likes to believe. 

Do you mean that counting invalid ballots is a standard practice, or the court having to tell them not to count invalid ballots is a standard practice?

Either way that's pretty terrible.

Edited November 19, 2024 by CdnFox

[Yakuda]

On 11/18/2024 at 6:32 PM, CouchPotato said:

Pennsylvania’s high court orders counties not to count disputed ballots in US Senate race

https://apnews.com/article/casey-mccormick-pennsylvania-senate-court-recount-b6c9ee8faac20d6272a54900e2d570e7

But they keep counting them 

[Deluge]

On 11/18/2024 at 4:35 PM, impartialobserver said:

this is standard practice.... not nearly as salacious or shocking as the OP likes to believe. 

partialobserver is pissed off that the ldiot, Harris, lost. 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Yakuda said:

But they keep counting them 

And they do this and then they'll try and claim that trump illegally tried to steal the election. They are knowingly breaking the law trying to change the results of the election even after being told not to by a judge And the same people will claim there's no voter fraud and that trump tried to steal the election.

There can be no greater hypocrisy than democrat hypocrisy

[impartialobserver]

On 11/18/2024 at 4:25 PM, CdnFox said:

Do you mean that counting invalid ballots is a standard practice, or the court having to tell them not to count invalid ballots is a standard practice?

Either way that's pretty terrible.

All states that have mail in ballot discard those ballots where the signatures are illegible or do not match the original provided by the voter. In the last election, around 1,300 ballots were disposed of because the signatures did not match. Pretty tame stuff honestly. 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

All states that have mail in ballot discard those ballots where the signatures are illegible or do not match the original provided by the voter. In the last election, around 1,300 ballots were disposed of because the signatures did not match. Pretty tame stuff honestly. 

So why didn't they discard them then.

Nobody's arguing that ballots that are improperly marked or improperly dated as per the requirements should be discarded. The question is why did they refuse to discard them? Why did they decide to count them and therefore need a judge to tell them not to?

You kind of dodged that question there big guy   The only people that are suggesting that invalid ballots should be counted are the democrats who are trying to do so and needed to be ordered not to, not me

[impartialobserver]

Just now, CdnFox said:

So why didn't they discard them then.

Nobody's arguing that ballots that are improperly marked or improperly dated as per the requirements should be discarded. The question is why did they refuse to discard them? Why did they decide to count them and therefore need a judge to tell them not to?

You kind of dodged that question there big guy   The only people that are suggesting that invalid ballots should be counted are the democrats who are trying to do so and needed to be ordered not to, not me

My point is that the court ordering them to stop counting the ballots that lack the correct handwritten date is not all that earth shaking. Its possible that the voter made a simple mistake and did not put the correct date. Folks make mistakes all of the time. As to why they are not.. I do not know with exact certainty. If I had to guess.. the reason is that not all that interesting nor salacious. Besides Trump won PA and no one is demanding a recount.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

My point is that the court ordering them to stop counting the ballots that lack the correct handwritten date is not all that earth shaking. Its possible that the voter made a simple mistake and did not put the correct date. Folks make mistakes all of the time. As to why they are not.. I do not know with exact certainty. If I had to guess.. the reason is that not all that interesting nor salacious. Besides Trump won PA and no one is demanding a recount.

Sigh. 

This isn't complicated.  It doesn't matter why the voter made a mistake.  The point is that they KNEW the ballots were invalid AND STILL WERE COUNTING THEM. 

And yes, counting ballots you know aren't valid is a VERY VERY BIG DEAL.  That's huge! That's election fraud.  That's unlawful. 

Explain to me why adding votes that do NOT count in an election ISN"T a big deal?  Why unlawfully tampering with election results isn't a big deal? I'm dying to hear it. 

[impartialobserver]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sigh. 

This isn't complicated.  It doesn't matter why the voter made a mistake.  The point is that they KNEW the ballots were invalid AND STILL WERE COUNTING THEM. 

And yes, counting ballots you know aren't valid is a VERY VERY BIG DEAL.  That's huge! That's election fraud.  That's unlawful. 

Explain to me why adding votes that do NOT count in an election ISN"T a big deal?  Why unlawfully tampering with election results isn't a big deal? I'm dying to hear it. 

There are too many other unknown elements in this for myself. First, does PA state law allow ballots that arrived in time but have mistakes. Does timeliness have legal precedent over correct dates? If so, they were not invalid as per one legal definition. The court coming in an stopping it does not mean that they were wrong.. not legally. I do not have the time to be a paralegal and dive into this. Now, spare us the diatribe because it is clear that you do not KNOW the answer to my questions or you would have put them forth already. If you want the win.. no articles. Provide us with exact verbage from the PA state code (https://www.pacodeandbulletin.gov/)

Also can you prove that the election workers KNOWINGLY violated any laws? No articles.. secondary sources are not trustworthy enough. 

Edited November 22, 2024 by impartialobserver

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

There are too many other unknown elements in this for myself. 

No there isn't. The judge said they were very clearly wrong no contest.  They were illegally counting ballots and they were ordered to stop. 

The lengths of which you will go and contort yourself in order to stand up for democrats who are breaking the law while at the same time claiming your impartial is absolutely stunning. They were unlawfully counting ballots that favored the democratic candidate. That is no longer in doubt or question

[impartialobserver]

Just now, CdnFox said:

No there isn't. The judge said they were very clearly wrong no contest.  They were illegally counting ballots and they were ordered to stop. 

The lengths of which you will go and contort yourself in order to stand up for democrats who are breaking the law while at the same time claiming your impartial is absolutely stunning. They were unlawfully counting ballots that favored the democratic candidate. That is no longer in doubt or question

I do not buy into conspiratorial thinking nor arguments... read that again. Where is there any mention of either party? My guess is that the election workers had a different interpretation of the law or there were policies set forth by someone further up that said that if a ballot arrived on time but the handwritten date was not perfect then pass it along. Or it could have been an issue of automation.. where the date stamp (when it arrived) was given priority. We have had issues like that with claims where we only look at the date of arrival when we should look at more fields or data points. 

the fact that you produce no boots-on-the-ground info (so no articles) nor any legal arguments (cited with actual PA code) tells me that you are simply lazy and by into conspiratorial arguments as long as they align with you. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The lengths of which you will go and contort yourself in order to stand up for democrats who are breaking the law while at the same time claiming your impartial is absolutely stunning. 

"I do not buy into conspiratorial thinking nor arguments" is his way of saying "I only believe what I see on CNN."

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

I do not buy into conspiratorial thinking nor arguments..

This isn't conspiratorial .  You're denying the facts of the case because it doesn't suit your preferred 'version' of reality 

Shame on you

[Fluffypants]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

This isn't conspiratorial .  You're denying the facts of the case because it doesn't suit your preferred 'version' of reality 

Shame on you

It is funny because the election official who made that decision to count the ballots admitted she was breaking the law and didn't care, there was no interpretation of the law she knew exactly what she was doing was illegal.

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

It is funny because the election official who made that decision to count the ballots admitted she was breaking the law and didn't care, there was no interpretation of the law she knew exactly what she was doing was illegal.

The Dems break/flaunt/abuse/diminish election laws so frequently now that you have to let some shit slide or there wouldn't be any more elections.