New pandemic laws

[GroundskeeperWillie]

Hello, I read an article that said the Canadian government will use the military to force covid "vaccines" on the unwilling, should there be another pandemic.  I don't know how true this is, but if it is, I think we really need to do something about it.  We should try and reach people in the armed forces.  Get them to come to our side, or at least, not go along with the government's plan to forcibly vaccinate us.

Anybody here who is in the military or knows someone who is?  This is an existential crisis.

[Goddess]

I've emailed all the senators and MPs about C-293.

It hands over our national sovereignty to unelected globalist alphabet entities.

"Pandemic" and "emergency" are not defined.  That is dangerous territory.  Dangerous for democracy, human rights & freedoms, a country's economy, quality of life......

We saw the damage done with the overblown covid reactions to a virus that was only mildly more dangerous than the flu for only a small portion of people.  It enabled the greatest wealth transfer in the history of mankind.

This can never happen again.  Humanity will not recover.

[Goddess]

C-293 MUST be DEFEATED because it is a comprehensive threat to Canada’s civil structure and our rights. No term is defined and no power is limited. The grant of power is overly broad in the following ways:

1. The One Health Approach covers all sectors, and all disciplines (‘multisectoral,’ ‘multidisciplinary’). It covers 'animal, human, plant and ecosystem health’ which purports to be everything in the natural world. It includes the 'welfare Interface' which is all of citizens’ interactions with government and asserts that everything is 'central, to preventing future pandemics.’

2. There is no definition of pandemic.

3. The plan covers any 'risk' that 'could lead' to a pandemic, where risk is not defined and does not have to be a proximate or material cause.

4. It is geographically and jurisdictionally broad, impacting Canadians’ activities at home and abroad. Activities are not defined.

5. It has many other jurisdictional issues. The plan requires all levels of government and indigenous communities to overcome 'jurisdiction challenges' (which could include court's jurisdiction, provincial jurisdictions, territorial jurisdiction, and indigenous treaty jurisdiction). Jurisdiction challenges are not defined.

6. Those in charge of the plan define the ‘state of research’ in order to establish interlinking surveillance systems which erode privacy.

7. Controllers determine the working conditions of employees across all sectors; manage (restrict access to) stockpiles and thus create a Soviet style command economy in which government controls all means of production and distribution.

8. Controllers define and manage 'communication of risk to the public' and therefore create and control the narrative without challenge. They set the 'communications capacity; infrastructure for electronic platforms’; provide for elimination or reduction of meat production and consumption.

9. Under the guise of reducing deforestation, the controllers determine land use in Canada, which has the power to expropriate rural, urban, agricultural and other lands and property from their owners.

10. It burdens Canadians with massive expenditures to address ‘global health equity’ and ‘global deforestation’ (aka agriculture).

11. C-293 allows the government of Canada to conclude agreements with organizations like WHO, UN Environment Program, Food and Agriculture Organization without public consultation, participation, or consent.

12. It allows for border measures such as “vaccine” passports and restriction of transportation.

13. It gives an additional unlimited, undefined grant of power to ‘the coordinator,’ allowing the Minister to 'delegate to the coordinator powers, duties and functions that the Minister considers appropriate.’ None of these powers, duties, or functions is defined within this Act. All powers granted by this Bill are broad, excessive and create jurisdictional issues. C-293 allows through 'sustained collaboration' (undefined), embedding of those in charge of this plan in all levels of government AND indigenous communities, all for the purpose of reducing an unquantified ‘risk,’ that 'could cause’ an undefined event alleged to be an undefined pandemic.

14. C-293 grants these authorities to the Public Health Agency of Canada which, since the adoption of the 2005 International Health Regulations, has been a satellite office or focal point of the World Health Organization (WHO).

C-293 institutes a Marxist takeover of our country. The review committee is an irrelevant issue and a deceitful distraction from the purpose of this Bill, which is a severe infringement of rights on a grand scale. All Senators must defeat this Bill. MPs must cross the floor to recall the Bill. Provincial MLAs and Premieres need an immediate legal review of the broad jurisdictional assaults of this Federal Bill in order to pre-emptively go to Court to stop the operation of Bill C-293. The provinces must protect our rights when a Federal Bill has totalitarian reach into their Constitutional authority.

Canada as we know it, and love, will no longer exist with the enacting of C-293.

[myata]

Scary. And who initiated and advancing it?

[ExFlyer]

Ya all now this is an old bill and a done deal?

Was presented Monday, November 22, 2021, to present. An Act respecting pandemic prevention and preparedness

This enactment enacts the Pandemic Prevention and Preparedness Act to require the Minister of Health to establish, in consultation with other ministers, a pandemic prevention and preparedness plan, which is to include information provided by those minister. 5 June 2024

it is a plan just in case we have another pandemic because we never had a plan for the COVID pandemic.

 

 

[ExFlyer]

5 hours ago, Goddess said:

C-293 MUST be DEFEATED because it is a comprehensive threat to Canada’s civil structure and our rights. No term is defined and no power is limited. The grant of power is overly broad in the following ways:

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A little late to the party... as usual LOL

C-293...done deal LOL

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, Goddess said:

It hands over our national sovereignty to unelected globalist alphabet entities.

Given how woke these entities are you can be sure they're only prepared to accept that sovereignty if our First Nations approve.

[Aristides]

Bill C-293

 

What exactly is the problem with this?

Edited October 27, 2024 by Aristides

[Goddess]

10 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

we never had a plan for the COVID pandemic.

 

 

Yes, we did.

We ignored it so billionaires could get $1.3 trillion dollars richer.

[ExFlyer]

9 hours ago, Goddess said:

Yes, we did.

We ignored it so billionaires could get $1.3 trillion dollars richer.

Don't be so stupid...it may be difficult for you not to be.....but we, Canada never had an official legislated national plan for a world wide pandemic.

[Venandi]

It was called CPIP back in the day and it included contingency plans for bioterrorism... and that's the only reason I ever heard of it. In the mid 90's I think it gained a few teeth and included emergency preparedness.

I'm not suggesting it meets the definition of being a legislated national plan, only suggesting that a plan (such as it was/is) existed as a living document subject to amendment. Frankly, I didn't care enough to read through all of this, I couldn't even remember the name of the plan when I went looking for it... I simply remembered that it existed.

It reads a bit like a contingency planning Service Paper and I seem to recall references to it in OPDP material and Aid to Civil Power discussions... just prior to dinosaurs roaming the earth.

Here's a link:

 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7134843/

BTW, why is politeness and rational discussion impossible here? You sound like Herb... 

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Don't be so stupid...it may be difficult for you not to be.....

Speaking of which, here's an excerpt in case the link qualifies as TLDNR and causes Herb to hatch out multi coloured kittens on the kitchen floor:

At the inception of the Canadian Pandemic Influenza Plan (CPIP) in 1988, the main focus was on a vaccine strategy. After the Hong Kong influenza A/H5N1 incident in 1997, the pandemic plan evolved to include a more comprehensive approach, incorporating the following key components: surveillance, vaccine programs, and use of antivirals, health services, emergency services, public health measures and communications. One of the main challenges of pandemic preparedness was to establish the essential close linkages between public health, health care and emergency response sectors. After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 and the subsequent anthrax attacks in the United States, national authorities became acutely aware of the need to strengthen public health infrastructure to respond to health emergencies.

Edited October 27, 2024 by Venandi

[Aristides]

Heaven forbid that we should look into  how Covid was handled and how we can do better in future. That would never do.

[Venandi]

19 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Heaven forbid that we should look into  how Covid was handled and how we can do better in future.

Throw in ridicule and a healthy dose of arrogance and it becomes breathtaking... 

On the plus side, it was pretty easy to tell where the Herbs (screaming "horse paste") had never vacationed and what colour hats they never wore.

Edited October 27, 2024 by Venandi

[Aristides]

39 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Throw in ridicule and a healthy dose of arrogance and it becomes breathtaking... 

On the plus side, it was pretty easy to tell where the Herbs (screaming "horse paste") had never vacationed and what colour hats they never wore.

I asked what exactly is wrong with the bill and am still waiting for an answer.

[Venandi]

19 minutes ago, Aristides said:

still waiting for an answer.

Herb is busy with the kittens...

Edited October 27, 2024 by Venandi

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

It was called CPIP back in the day and it included contingency plans for bioterrorism... that's the only reason I even heard of it. In the mid 90's I think it gained a few teeth and included emergency preparedness.

I'm not suggesting it meets the definition of being a legislated national plan, only suggesting that a plan (such as it was/is) existed as a living document subject to amendment. Frankly, I didn't care enough to read through all of this, nor could I remember the name of the plan when I looked for it... I simply remembered that it existed. It reads a bit like a contingency planning Service Paper and I seem to recall references to it in OPDP material and Aid to Civil Power discussions just before prior to dinosaurs roaming the earth... here's a link:

 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7134843/

BTW, why is politeness and rational discussion impossible here? You sound like Herb... 

Speaking of which, here's an excerpt in case the link qualifies as TLDNR and causes Herb to hatch out multi coloured kittens on the kitchen floor:

At the inception of the Canadian Pandemic Influenza Plan (CPIP) in 1988, the main focus was on a vaccine strategy. After the Hong Kong influenza A/H5N1 incident in 1997, the pandemic plan evolved to include a more comprehensive approach, incorporating the following key components: surveillance, vaccine programs, and use of antivirals, health services, emergency services, public health measures and communications. One of the main challenges of pandemic preparedness was to establish the essential close linkages between public health, health care and emergency response sectors. After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 and the subsequent anthrax attacks in the United States, national authorities became acutely aware of the need to strengthen public health infrastructure to respond to health emergencies.

As I recall, most of the 'plan" was rhetoric as we, the feds and provinces, did not follow or even enact any of the recommendations and that is why we had no PPE or anything else.

Your link is to an American Library of Medicine document and pertains to American preparedness. Yes,they make reference to Canadian  CPIP of 1988 saying  "The general concepts incorporated into the CPIP that may be utilised in the contingency planning for other infectious disease emergencies " but, do not endorse or use it.

Aid to civil power is a military action. Where the military is invoked to assist with floods, fire and other natural (or unnatural) disasters.

Down vote me if you wish but. if you are asking" BTW, why is politeness and rational discussion impossible here?", it is a matter of tit for tat. Come at me and I come back likewise.

Edited October 27, 2024 by ExFlyer

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Aid to civil power is a military action. Where the military is invoked to assist with floods, fire and other natural (or unnatural) disasters.

 

And that's the only reason I ever heard of it.

I think the context was provincial EMO communications support, interoperability with HAM repeaters, packet communications and first responder radios... or something to that effect, I don't recall exactly. 

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Come at me and I come back likewise.

Enjoy.... but I think it only serves to attract like minded players and accomplishes little in the process. You may have noticed that those "like minded players" usually don't have an off switch. I don't see the point... maybe it's just me. Isn't it better for those so inclined to just sign a waiver and step onto the mats?

If you actually talked to people that way IRL wouldn't that be the likely outcome or is it a matter of keyboard warriors being insulated by anonymity and screen names? Maybe the world has become excessively passive aggressive from binging out on NETFLIX and that has become the new norm.

I don't know what to make of it. Might be a good thread eh?

Personally, I could take asymmetric shots at Herb and the kittens forever and a day, it's not my thing though so I simply choose not to do that anymore... and Ironically, that was the point of doing it in the first place.

Sorry Herb, best wishes to the kittens. 

I think I'm done here, sorting through the nonsense for a few snippets of good gen is actually pretty tiresome. Hats off to the fox though, and I mean that sincerely... I would never be able to find the time or inclination. 

Best wishes to all.

 

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by Venandi

[ExFlyer]

8 minutes ago, Venandi said:

And that's the only reason I ever heard of it.

I think the context was provincial EMO communications support, interoperability with HAM repeaters, packet communications and first responder radios... or something to that effect, I don't recall exactly. 

Enjoy.... but I think it only serves to attract like minded players and accomplishes little in the process. You may have noticed that those "like minded players" usually don't have an off switch. I don't see the point... maybe it's just me. Isn't it better for those so inclined to just sign a waiver and step onto the mats?

If you actually talked to people that way IRL wouldn't that be the likely outcome or is it a matter of keyboard warriors being insulated by anonymity and screen names? Maybe the world has become excessively passive aggressive from binging out on NETFLIX and that has become the new norm.

I don't know what to make of it. Might be a good thread eh?

Personally, I could take asymmetric shots at Herb and the kittens forever and a day, it's not my thing though so I simply choose not to do that anymore... and Ironically, that was the point of doing it in the first place.

Sorry Herb, best wishes to the kittens. 

I think I'm done here, sorting through the nonsense for a few snippets of good gen is actually pretty tiresome. Hats off to the fox though, and I mean that sincerely... I would never be able to find the time or inclination. 

Best wishes to all.

 

 

There were circumstances in the recent past where the Military medical staffs were deployed to assist local and provincial hospitals and care centres.

If attacked or verbally abused for your position on a topic, I will not and I am sure you will not either, just turn the other cheek. 

When I speak with people, I do not sugar coat, in person or online.

You also, have a great day.

Edited October 27, 2024 by ExFlyer

[Goddess]

21 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

A little late to the party... as usual LOL

C-293...done deal LOL

Are you dyslexic or something?  So blind with rage and hatred towards me that your reading comprehension drops off a cliff?

I didn't say when I wrote to all the senators and MPs, just that I did.

 

[Goddess]

3 hours ago, Venandi said:

It was called CPIP back in the day and it included contingency plans for bioterrorism... and that's the only reason I ever heard of it. In the mid 90's I think it gained a few teeth and included emergency preparedness.

I can't remember the name of the plan the world agreed to, either, but I know there was one.  Because Sweden followed it and couldn't figure out why nobody else was.

It did NOT include lockdowns or ruining the world's economy, because the science on many NPI's was already well established.  It did advocate allowing people to live as much of a normal life as possible, because the public health aspect of it took more into account than just a myopic focus on "stop this one particular virus" and fuque everything else. It was an agreed upon document that took into account ALL the things that normally encompass public health - mental health, physical health, the effects of destroying the economy and educational systems, ALL of it. 

It wasn't just the injections that were experimental - the whole response was experimental.

[ExFlyer]

18 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Are you dyslexic or something?  So blind with rage and hatred towards me that your reading comprehension drops off a cliff?

I didn't say when I wrote to all the senators and MPs, just that I did.

 

"Are you dyslexic or something? "?  Yes, you seem to be.

You wrote "C-293 MUST be DEFEATED because it is a comprehensive threat to Canada’s civil structure and our rights. No term is defined and no power is limited. The grant of power is overly broad in the following ways: "   The rest of your diatribe is moot

I told you that you were late to the party because it is already law....it can not be defeated because it is law LOL

Not "blind with rage and hatred towards me "  because you cannot read. It is you that seems to have reading comprehension LOL

It's a done deal already tootsie LOL

Edited October 27, 2024 by ExFlyer

[Goddess]

 

 

9 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I told you that you were late to the party because it is already law....it can not be defeated because it is law LOL

It's a done deal already tootsie LOL

It has to go through the Senate yet.

Here's a CBC article for you that explains it. You'll like it because they pander to Trudeau and kick Alberta in the face for questioning aspects of it.

Alberta government's concerns about federal pandemic bill reflect conspiracy theories, MRU prof says | CBC News

Bill C-293, "an Act respecting pandemic prevention and preparedness", passed a third reading in the House of Commons earlier this year, but it has not yet been passed by the Senate.

[ExFlyer]

43 minutes ago, Goddess said:

 

 

It has to go through the Senate yet.

Here's a CBC article for you that explains it. You'll like it because they pander to Trudeau and kick Alberta in the face for questioning aspects of it.

Alberta government's concerns about federal pandemic bill reflect conspiracy theories, MRU prof says | CBC News

Bill C-293, "an Act respecting pandemic prevention and preparedness", passed a third reading in the House of Commons earlier this year, but it has not yet been passed by the Senate.

Point is calling or complain to your MP is useless now LOL

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Point is calling or complain to your MP is useless now LOL

Point is you don't know what you're talking about.

It's not law yet.

Edited October 27, 2024 by Goddess

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Point is you don't know what you're talking about.

We will see. C 293 is a done deal....you lose...again LOL