Florida Hurricane

[CdnFox]

13 hours ago, robosmith said:

No, but people considering living in Florida, would know the kind of future they would face.

 

It's the past they also had to face so presumably they knew it by now

Also weren't these high school textbooks? How many of these high schoolers actually own their own home?

[gatomontes99]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

What you're talking about is a MUCH LONGER TIME FRAME than the warming which has occured in the LAST 100 years.

And you HAVE NO DATA which shows "MAGMA" has increased in that short time frame. You don't even know what the current distance to the sun is in the cycle nor how long that cycle takes.

Meanwhile we KNOW that man is releasing GIGA-TONS of fossil fuel CO2 into the atmosphere EVERY YEAR.

And the gulf water is several degrees above the 100 year average RIGHT NOW causing STRONGER HURRICANES. 

There's a REASON you've cited NOTHING for YOUR FANTASY.

㊙️ Its not supported by the majority of real climate scientists.

 

 

Actually, I do know all of those things you think i don't know. As for the last 100 years, you guys love to use charts like this to prove your point:

The reason you use that chart is if you used a chart that went out any further, you would see a pattern that would make you question the sky is falling fantasy:

Based on this chart, you can see that there is virtually no difference between the last transition from and ice house to a gas house era and the current transition.

So why do you believe that most climate scientists think there is a difference?

 

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The media loved her when she published a study that seemed to show a dramatic increase in hurricane intensity.

“We found that the percent of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes had doubled,” says Curry.

“This was picked up by the media,” and then climate alarmists realized, “Oh, here is the way to do it. Tie extreme weather events to global warming!”

“So, this hysteria is your fault!” I tell her.

“Not really,” she smiles.

“They would have picked up on it anyways.”

But Curry’s “more intense” hurricanes gave them fuel.

“I was adopted by the environmental advocacy groups and the alarmists and I was treated like a rock star,” Curry recounts.

“Flown all over the place to meet with politicians.”

But then some researchers pointed out gaps in her research — years with low levels of hurricanes.

“Like a good scientist, I investigated,” says Curry.

She realized that the critics were right.

https://nypost.com/2023/08/09/climate-scientist-admits-the-overwhelming-consensus-is-manufactured/

And there is this:

You guys love to say we are anti science. We are not anti science. We are against a system that promotes politics disguised as science. Rogan exposed it nicely.

[Legato]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

What you're talking about is a MUCH LONGER TIME FRAME than the warming which has occured in the LAST 100 years.

And you HAVE NO DATA which shows "MAGMA" has increased in that short time frame. You don't even know what the current distance to the sun is in the cycle nor how long that cycle takes.

Meanwhile we KNOW that man is releasing GIGA-TONS of fossil fuel CO2 into the atmosphere EVERY YEAR.

And the gulf water is several degrees above the 100 year average RIGHT NOW causing STRONGER HURRICANES. 

There's a REASON you've cited NOTHING for YOUR FANTASY.

㊙️ Its not supported by the majority of real climate scientists.

 

 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Actually, I do know all of those things you think i don't know. As for the last 100 years, you guys love to use charts like this to prove your point:

The reason you use that chart is if you used a chart that went out any further, you would see a pattern that would make you question the sky is falling fantasy:

It's NOT a fantasy. IT'S PHYSICS. You don't even know that Venus USED to be much like Earth BEFORE the atmosphere was 90% CO2. Since THEN it became a hellscape where LEAD is LIQUID.

 

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Based on this chart, you can see that there is virtually no difference between the last transition from and ice house to a gas house era and the current transition.

So why do you believe that most climate scientists think there is a difference?

 

 

And there is this:

You guys love to say we are anti science. We are not anti science. We are against a system that promotes politics disguised as science. Rogan exposed it nicely.

Because they are scientists and YOU ARE NOT. Your graph does not depict the actual rate of transition because it's NOT FINE GRAINED ENOUGH. Your graph barely shows it, but previous transitions took MUCH LONGER than the current one.

And Rogan knows JACK SHIT about science.

 

 

[gatomontes99]

26 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It's NOT a fantasy. IT'S PHYSICS. You don't even know that Venus USED to be much like Earth BEFORE the atmosphere was 90% CO2. Since THEN it became a hellscape where LEAD is LIQUID.

 

Because they are scientists and YOU ARE NOT. Your graph does not depict the actual rate of transition because it's NOT FINE GRAINED ENOUGH. Your graph barely shows it, but previous transitions took MUCH LONGER than the current one.

And Rogan knows JACK SHIT about science.

 

 

Oh...I need a "fine grained" graph? Why don't you google a fine grained graph and see what you get.

The graph size doesn't change the ratio of the data. It can make the patterns more obvious though. My graph shows the long range patterns. Your graph shows short term variability. Short term variability does not equal long term trend. That is why the "last 100 years" argument is completely irrelevant.

[Legato]

26 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It's NOT a fantasy. IT'S PHYSICS. You don't even know that Venus USED to be much like Earth BEFORE the atmosphere was 90% CO2. Since THEN it became a hellscape where LEAD is LIQUID.

 

I don't suppose that because Venus is just 0.72 AU's has anything to do with it.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

It's NOT a fantasy. IT'S PHYSICS. You don't even know that Venus USED to be much like Earth BEFORE the atmosphere was 90% CO2. Since THEN it became a hellscape where LEAD is LIQUID.

??????????  Who the hell told you THAT Load of bullshit?  What do you mean "Before"?   You think there was a venusian population that produced too much carbon? IT's ALWAYS been like it is now

And the temp there has NOTHING TO DO with carbon.  I've expained this the LAST time you tried this unusually dumb argument,  the atmosphere on venus is 100 times as dense as it is on earth. THAT is why it retains heat. 

Reading your nonsense makes me think of OTHER things around here  that are 100 times as dense 🙄🙄

 

[BeaverFever]

On 10/11/2024 at 1:03 PM, Rebound said:

As Deluge one id0tically suggested, Florida probably got hit with hurricanes all the time that nobody noticed before the latest weather radars were invented 

[BeaverFever]

Republican Science:

 

 

Lara and Eric Trump-backed “prophet” claims God told her the hurricanes were “man-made” and “they” will also “set off” an earthquake

 

 

“Prophet” Julie Green told followers that the Lord told her that the recent hurricanes were “all man-made” and that the weather events were deliberately created or manipulated as a form of “election interference.” She added that “they” will “set off” an earthquake at some point.  

Green isn’t a random grifter: She’s connected to Trump’s inner circle and has been heavily endorsed by Eric Trump. The former president’s son told Green that she’s “so incredible,” stated that he’s saved one of her messages, called her a “warrior,” and thanked her for their “friendship.” 

Green has also spoken with Republican National Committee co-Chair Lara Trump, who told Green that she was “so honored” to be on her podcast. She also said: “On behalf of our whole family, thank you for all of the prayers, thank you for believing in my father-in-law, and for fighting alongside of us.”  

During a recent podcast appearance, Green — as she does — pushed far-right conspiracy theories while telling people what “the Lord had talked about” regarding the country, including that the Lord supposedly said that the recent hurricanes were “deliberate,” “man-made,” and “another form of election interference”: 
 

…

 

https://www.mediamatters.org/hurricanes/lara-and-eric-trump-backed-prophet-claims-god-told-her-hurricanes-were-man-made-and-they

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Oh...I need a "fine grained" graph? Why don't you google a fine grained graph and see what you get.

The graph size doesn't change the ratio of the data. It can make the patterns more obvious though. My graph shows the long range patterns. Your graph shows short term variability. Short term variability does not equal long term trend. That is why the "last 100 years" argument is completely irrelevant.

You still don't understand that the CAUSE of every bump in that CYCLE is not the same, and NOT the one you fantasize about. Which is why you STILL haven't provided ANY EVIDENCE for your FANTASY.

In ANCIENT times (450M years ago) volcanism in the Russian Steppes ignited huge coal deposits in the ground and raised temps for 100s of years.   We have seen this cycle BEFORE as a NATURAL occurrence. 

Of course you know NOTHING about that, just as you KNOW nothing about your fantasy scenario.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

I don't suppose that because Venus is just 0.72 AU's has anything to do with it.

 It LOST its moisture and CO2 took over. 

NASA climate modeling suggests Venus may have been habitable  

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Scientists long have theorized that Venus formed out of ingredients similar to Earth’s, but followed a different evolutionary path. Measurements by NASA’s Pioneer mission to Venus in the 1980s first suggested Venus originally may have had an ocean. However, Venus is closer to the sun than Earth and receives far more sunlight. As a result, the planet’s early ocean evaporated, water-vapor molecules were broken apart by ultraviolet radiation, and hydrogen escaped to space. With no water left on the surface, carbon dioxide built up in the atmosphere, leading to a so-called runaway greenhouse effect that created present conditions.

 

Previous studies have shown that how fast a planet spins on its axis affects whether it has a habitable climate. A solar day on Venus is 117 Earth days (a sidereal day on Venus is 243 Earth days). Until recently, it was assumed that a thick atmosphere like that of modern Venus was required for the planet to have today’s slow rotation rate. However, newer research has shown that a thin atmosphere like that of modern Earth could have produced the same result. That means an ancient Venus with an Earth-like atmosphere could have had the same rotation rate it has today.

 

Another factor that impacts a planet’s climate is topography. The GISS team postulated ancient Venus had more dry land overall than Earth, especially in the tropics. That limits the amount of water evaporated from the oceans and, as a result, the greenhouse effect by water vapor. This type of surface appears ideal for making a planet habitable; there seems to have been enough water to support abundant life, with sufficient land to reduce the planet’s sensitivity to changes from incoming sunlight.

 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Republican Science:

 

 

 

Lara and Eric Trump-backed “prophet” claims God told her the hurricanes were “man-made” and “they” will also “set off” an earthquake

 

 

 

“Prophet” Julie Green told followers that the Lord told her that the recent hurricanes were “all man-made” and that the weather events were deliberately created or manipulated as a form of “election interference.” She added that “they” will “set off” an earthquake at some point.  

Green isn’t a random grifter: She’s connected to Trump’s inner circle and has been heavily endorsed by Eric Trump. The former president’s son told Green that she’s “so incredible,” stated that he’s saved one of her messages, called her a “warrior,” and thanked her for their “friendship.” 

Green has also spoken with Republican National Committee co-Chair Lara Trump, who told Green that she was “so honored” to be on her podcast. She also said: “On behalf of our whole family, thank you for all of the prayers, thank you for believing in my father-in-law, and for fighting alongside of us.”  

During a recent podcast appearance, Green — as she does — pushed far-right conspiracy theories while telling people what “the Lord had talked about” regarding the country, including that the Lord supposedly said that the recent hurricanes were “deliberate,” “man-made,” and “another form of election interference”: 
 

…

 

https://www.mediamatters.org/hurricanes/lara-and-eric-trump-backed-prophet-claims-god-told-her-hurricanes-were-man-made-and-they

So the rumors about Eric being an lDIOT have basis in FACT. LMAO

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

As Deluge one id0tically suggested, Florida probably got hit with hurricanes all the time that nobody noticed before the latest weather radars were invented 

I believe he said tornadoes didn't he? What was that about not noticing?  

[CdnFox]

36 minutes ago, robosmith said:

 It LOST its moisture and CO2 took over. 

NASA climate modeling suggests Venus may have been habitable  

 

Nope. As you will recall I posted two actual research papers rather than an article that were considerably later than 2016.

the carbon in the air has NOTHING To DO with the heat.  And if you THOUGHT about it that would make sense - if venus got it's "heat" from when the water evaporated, why did it get hot enough for all the water to evaporate in the first place?

The reason venus is hot is that its atmostphere is 100 times as dense as earths.   If you put a blanket over someone, then put anther blanket 100 times as thick over someone else, guess which one will be warmer?

THIS IS JUST MORE ROS LIES FROM ROBO

Edited October 12, 2024 by CdnFox

[Rebound]

On 10/11/2024 at 2:04 PM, Legato said:

So if the references had not been removed there would not have been a hurricane?

If Florida school children were taught science, then they could become well educated citizens who understand the importance of transitioning to renewable energy. 

[BeaverFever]

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I believe he said tornadoes didn't he? What was that about not noticing?  

No the topic at the time was about the number of HURRICANES being higher than historical and he said the historical numbers is probably under counted. Nice try though. 

[User]

The problem here is that Greta Thunberg did not protest enough. 

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I believe he said tornadoes didn't he? What was that about not noticing?  

It was me and I was talking about how new tech detects far more tornados and more accurately.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No the topic at the time was about the number of HURRICANES being higher than historical and he said the historical numbers is probably under counted. Nice try though. 

He also did say that the number of tornados and such were underreported until advanced radar became available.  Maybe you should be a little more clear what you're referring to in the future. 

[Legato]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

If Florida school children were taught science, then they could become well educated citizens who understand the importance of transitioning to renewable energy. 

So if the references had not been removed there would not have been a hurricane?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

If Florida school children were taught science, then they could become well educated citizens who understand the importance of transitioning to renewable energy. 

None of that is actually removed from the curriculum. By everything I can see and read they Have stopped referring to it as a crisis, but they still teach about climate change and how the planet works.

So we'll still be educated people. They just won't be indoctrinated to the cult of climate catastrophe, where without any science to back it up that i can see we're apperently all going to die if we' re not all driving ev's by 2035. 

i'll point out that many people here, including myself, have asked people such as yourself for any actual SCIENCE that says its a crisis.  in all the numerous times i see it asked i've yet to see a single scientific publication which demonstrates that. 

Further the actions of the various govt's including biden and trudeau strongly indicate they don't believe it's a crisis. 

So  they'll learn about climate change and such but they'll also learn that it might not be as huge a crisis as some suggest. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

He also did say that the number of tornados and such were underreported until advanced radar became available.  Maybe you should be a little more clear what you're referring to in the future. 

My statement was perfectly clear. 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

So if the references had not been removed there would not have been a hurricane?

^TROLLING. You know that "references" have NOTHING to do with hurricanes happening.

IF the references had not been removed, SOME (DUMB) PEOPLE might know better than to move to Florida.

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

My statement was perfectly clear. 

Sure kid 🙄

36 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^TROLLING. You know that "references" have NOTHING to do with hurricanes happening.

IF the references had not been removed, SOME (DUMB) PEOPLE might know better than to move to Florida.

But this is only happening in Florida. So they would already have had to be living in Florida. If they were outside of Florida they would already know not to move to Florida because only Florida is removing the term

You really suck at this don't you  

[BeaverFever]

31 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure kid 🙄

What I said accurately descried the situation. You brought up tornadoes for no reason so I repeated myself without having adding any additional clarification. 
 

Sorry but you lose again