The Only Patriotic Choice for President

[WestCanMan]

Blah blah blah...

Kamala is NOT a patriot, nor has she ever pretended to be one.

[SkyHigh]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You mean, nothing that you want to admit to.

It's true though. 

What are laws like in Canada, France, Britain, Germany, the US, Ireland, Scotland, dummy?

An enclave of resistance to social norms in Canada = a place of intolerance.

An enclave of resistance to social norms in Pakistan = a place of tolerance.

Do you understand that? 

That is true, dummy. Regardless of whether or not you want to admit it, it is true. 

Could he live like that in Gaza? Iran? Pakistan? Iran? Iraq? Yemen? Qatar? 

Would his fellow muslims tolerate that? 

Ask him.

Do you understand that in some muslim countries they still have the death penalty on the books for apostasy? 

1. That's an anecdote. 2. That's how a muslim raised in Canada behaves.

FYI the true test of character isn't "what one does when they're powerless", it's what they do when they're in a position of power over someone else.

If he called her a whore for not wearing a hijab, and then raped her, he'd go to jail here. FYI that's not the case everywhere. In Afghanistan and Pakistan the cops would laugh. 

I'm a Canadian that lives in Canada, what's happening with people or governments in foreign lands is a completely different conversation as is irrelevant to my point on the xenophobia that exists in Canada .

Now who's not willing to admit to something? Not me

If you actually want to address the point I've been raising,we can certainly move on to other topics, but if you just want to continue going of on semi (at best) related rabbit trails, then kick rocks 

[robosmith]

On 10/4/2024 at 11:53 PM, WestCanMan said:

From CdnFox's article:

• "Democratic President Joe Biden and Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris have left up tweets expressing support for actor Jussie Smollett after he was allegedly a victim in a racist and anti-gay hate attack that occurred on January 29, 2019. However, on Thursday, a jury found that Smollett lied about the attack."

FYI that jury decision wasn't a day or two after Jussie's faked hate crime attack. The world had come to know that he was a fraud long before that. 

Why was "patriot Kamala" still supporting Jussie's obvious attempt to divide the country you stupid a-hole?

What a couple of stupid dipshits. Only a total skid like you could vote for them. 

Better get busy defending Trump's 30,000+ LIES AFTER even YOUR LOGICAL FALLACY FAILED, lDIOT.

[robosmith]

On 10/6/2024 at 4:25 AM, Nationalist said:

Ya know what robo-dweeb?

I read that article and she is correct.

So why don't you point out the lies in that article?

Why would I waste my time when it will never penetrate your COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.

Not going to wade through her BULLSHIT to teach you a lesson you won't understand.

[robosmith]

On 10/6/2024 at 10:23 AM, WestCanMan said:

Where'd you go, robo? Here, I'll add this to the "Kamala the Patriot" thread 🤣

You FASCISTS in Canada may be different, but here the accused are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Duh

No matter how much you want to keep them in jail.

[SkyHigh]

On 10/7/2024 at 12:39 PM, Deluge said:

Said SkyHigh to the mirror. 

Well, at least you show self awareness in front of your reflection.  

Dude when all you have is , I know you are but what am I, aka, the rubber, glue defense.

Just quit

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

I'm a Canadian that lives in Canada, what's happening with people or governments in foreign lands is a completely different conversation as is irrelevant to my point on the xenophobia that exists in Canada .

The only real xenophobia here right now is against Jews. We have people openly chanting in Ottawa for a genocide against Israel. 

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Now who's not willing to admit to something? Not me

You'd never admit to anything, are you joking right now?

Why would a leftist stop lying? It's entirely acceptable within your culture. 

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If you actually want to address the point I've been raising, we can certainly move on to other topics, but if you just want to continue going of on semi (at best) related rabbit trails, then kick rocks 

I responded to your farcical soliloquy, and set the record straight. You had no measurable contradictions. 

We're all good here now.

[SkyHigh]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Why would a leftist stop lying? It's entirely acceptable within your culture

I have no problem accepting fault, for example I don't honestly believe you're attracted to trans women (well probably not anyway)

But you again can't help yourself continuing to make dishonest assertions about my beliefs that you know you can't support, effectively answering my question to if you wanted to participate in good faith conversation. Therefore I cordially, with all sincerity and respect invite you to,

Kick rocks 

Edited October 8, 2024 by SkyHigh

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

I have no problem accepting fault, for example I don't honestly believe you're attracted to trans women (well probably)

But you again can't help yourself continuing to make dishonest assertions about my beliefs that you know you can't support, effectively answering my question to if you wanted to participate in good faith conversation. Therefore I cordially, with sincerity, and respect invite you to,

Kick rocks 

Blah blah blah.

Openly state which facts you think you can challenge, SkyHigh...

I think you're gonna sit there with you stupid trap shut and rattle off more juvenile insults 😉  

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well obviously. It's like saying "canada has better car insurance rates so..... MOAR FREEE!!!!!!"  

No. No that's not how it works. 

Americans have property rights that we don't. American speech is more protected. Americans tend to look for a better balance between rights to belief and expression and rights to identity and sexuality etc.  Americans have fewer regulations and gov't control. 

Those are freedoms.  "we have better insurance" isn't a freedom.

Agreed.

OK @SkyHigh, what say you?

[SkyHigh]

21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Blah blah blah.

Openly state which facts you think you can challenge, SkyHigh...

I think you're gonna sit there with you stupid trap shut and rattle off more juvenile insults 😉  

Let's examine that. 

I was speaking with someone on how we can better understand people that had a closed minded upbringing and the political leanings or specific ideologies were not mentioned in fact I made a point to speak of the extremists on both sides.

You interjected with Newsmax talking points irrelevant to the conversation at hand, then claim I support or am afraid to address them, so I'll play (remember that the other times we've played this game, you have to admit you essentially agree with my opinion so just have to keep asking questions until you can find so sort of semantic issue to cling to) but here goes we can use the things you said just in this thread 

In fully understand and acknowledge the advantage I have to have grown up in a free society, mostly engineered by , European, Christian values.

Yes I agree there are many cultures, particularly those with Muslim theocratic "governments" that have no respect for the freedom of religion or speech, etc...

I agree that antisemitism exists (but so do many other prejudices in Canada, the language issue is a perfect example),though the middle east is an issue I tend to stay away from because the reality of their situation is honestly so foreign and hard for my brain to even conceptualize, I think there are bad actors on both sides but fail to understand the intricacies enough to fall down definitively on one side or the other.

Pakistan isn't as tolerant as Canada.

I think that covers everything?

So for the last time, what positions that I have just expressed, would identify me as a,  "Left wing (insert random pejorative, here"

 

Put up or shut up, son

 

[SkyHigh]

47 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Agreed.

OK @SkyHigh, what say you?

First I will not comment directly to what Foxy said, we're trying to turn over a new leaf.

I will say that I have said more then once "freedom" is a subjective word ,that I have to the best of my abilities tried to qualify using my  personal interpretation of one aspect of "freedom" that being economic freedom  there are of course other branches of freedom we can and hopefully will discuss, but we have to start somewhere and the ability to change jobs or pursue entrepreneurial opportunities without having to put at risk something as essential as the health of you and your family, to me is incredibly important for a free society.

On another note, I'm much more interested in your opinion to the clear, concise points I made, than asking me to respond to someone elses post that at the time ( of course now we're like old friends now) was admittedly not attempting to engage in a good fath conversation ( to be clear I was not making any effort to do so myself either) but I won't dwell on that because it's entirely possible that you will make a future post addressing me directly. I look forward to reading it 

Edited October 9, 2024 by SkyHigh

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

In fully understand and acknowledge the advantage I have to have grown up in a free society, mostly engineered by , European, Christian values.

It's good that you can acknowledge that, because it's a foundational aspect of this whole multiculturalism/racism/bigotry/gender equality topic that's completely lost on 99% of leftists.

When the average bluehair/man-bun starts talking about multiculturalism, the snuck premise is that straight white men are somehow the least inclusive people on the planet, and I find that weird because, if you go to the non-European countries where most 1st-, 2nd- and 3rd-generation Canadians come from, this multiculturalism and female empowerment situation that we have here isn't even on the map. 

White men created the most multicultural and inclusive countries on the planet from what I've seen, and judging by the way Joy Reid and Oprah talk and act, I can promise they wouldn't treat white men fairly. 

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Yes I agree there are many cultures, particularly those with Muslim theocratic "governments" that have no respect for the freedom of religion or speech, etc...

I'd say that they have codified bigotry built into their laws and ingrained in their daily lives, and that it has been that way for 1,400 years. 

We're dealing with near stone-age mentalities. 

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I agree that antisemitism exists (but so do many other prejudices in Canada, the language issue is a perfect example),though the middle east is an issue I tend to stay away from because the reality of their situation is honestly so foreign and hard for my brain to even conceptualize, I think there are bad actors on both sides but fail to understand the intricacies enough to fall down definitively on one side or the other.

In the ME it's "us" and "people who we will tolerate until we don't have to tolerate them anymore".

The squabbles from the bible era are still alive and kicking in the hearts and minds of a lot of people, Christians included.

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Pakistan isn't as tolerant as Canada.

That's the understatement of the century.

Pakistan has committed TWO genocides in the last 80 years that number in the millions, and they're not the least bit apologetic about either one.

We wouldn't be at risk of missing out on anything positive coming out of there in the next 500 years if the place was turned to glass.  

That's not to say they should be nuked, just that they're not decent people at all and aren't on course to be so.

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I think that covers everything?

Fairly well, TBH.

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So for the last time, what positions that I have just expressed, would identify me as a,  "Left wing (insert random pejorative, here"

I'd honestly say that you're not on the wrong track, although you probably downplay ME intolerance by about 95%. 

Religious discrimination has been the law there for over 1,000 years. 

[SkyHigh]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's good that you can acknowledge that, because it's a foundational aspect of this whole multiculturalism/racism/bigotry/gender equality topic that's completely lost on 99% of leftists.

When the average bluehair/man-bun starts talking about multiculturalism, the snuck premise is that straight white men are somehow the least inclusive people on the planet, and I find that weird because, if you go to the non-European countries where most 1st-, 2nd- and 3rd-generation Canadians come from, this multiculturalism and female empowerment situation that we have here isn't even on the map. 

White men created the most multicultural and inclusive countries on the planet from what I've seen, and judging by the way Joy Reid and Oprah talk and act, I can promise they wouldn't treat white men fairly. 

I'd say that they have codified bigotry built into their laws and ingrained in their daily lives, and that it has been that way for 1,400 years. 

We're dealing with near stone-age mentalities. 

In the ME it's "us" and "people who we will tolerate until we don't have to tolerate them anymore".

The squabbles from the bible era are still alive and kicking in the hearts and minds of a lot of people, Christians included.

That's the understatement of the century.

Pakistan has committed TWO genocides in the last 80 years that number in the millions, and they're not the least bit apologetic about either one.

We wouldn't be at risk of missing out on anything positive coming out of there in the next 500 years if the place was turned to glass.  

That's not to say they should be nuked, just that they're not decent people at all and aren't on course to be so.

Fairly well, TBH.

I'd honestly say that you're not on the wrong track, although you probably downplay ME intolerance by about 95%. 

Religious discrimination has been the law there for over 1,000 years. 

So how is it I'm a left wing cultist? Because that's your go to, and all you do is agree with me whenever you actually give me a chance to elaborate on one of my opinions.

Or are you coming out (sorry couldn't resist) as left wing?

[WestCanMan]

37 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

So how is it I'm a left wing cultist? Because that's your go to, and all you do is agree with me whenever you actually give me a chance to elaborate on one of my opinions.

Or are you coming out (sorry couldn't resist) as left wing?

I'll strip you of your cultist badge for now. That's something that you'll have to work hard for if you want to be respected by robo, Hodad, etc. 

[SkyHigh]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'll strip you of your cultist badge for now. That's something that you'll have to work hard for if you want to be respected by robo, Hodad, etc. 

You really can't just have an honest conversation can you? 

You can't just flat out admit you misjudged me,  so because you have to be "against" someone, you have to talk smack about some ,next random people that were in no way involved in our conversation.

Why must you be like that? Seriously, Why?

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

You really can't just have an honest conversation can you? 

You can't just flat out admit you misjudged me,  so because you have to be "against" someone, you have to talk smack about some ,next random people that were in no way involved in our conversation.

Why must you be like that? Seriously, Why?

Let's be honest SkyHigh, it's not my first convo with you and I don't find you an honest person.

In fact, leftists are basically all dishonest, because left wing media is entirely dishonest. 

Take for example the case of raindropgate vs Biden's assertion that Bidenomics created 10M jobs in 2022. 

In raindropgate you have a guy who stood out in the open for 17 minutes and finished with hair so dry it was almost frizzy. He said that "It didn't rain during his speech" and the MSM went crazy over it. It was "a huge lie".

1. If it was a lie it's the most inconsequential lie of all time. Why would anyone care?
2. A careful inspection of hi-def video reveals that there was in fact a light drizzle for at least ten seconds, maybe 15.
3. So did he 'lie'? Did he forget those few drops that landed on him? Did he just not consider 11 droplets "rain"?
4. For whatever reason, that was a major story for the MSM, and it was their go-to "Trump is a liar!" story for years. Any mention of Trump lies starts with raindropgate.

In Bidenomics you have the story of a president, D Trump, who banned non-Americans from flying into America from China to protect his country from covid at a time when there were only 5 covid deaths in America, and even Fauci was still saying "We don't think that covid is transmissible between humans". Then Trump basically shut down his vaunted economy when there were less than 100 covid deaths in America. Millions of jobs were lost, just in the snap of a finger. Those jobs stayed gone until Joe Biden declared the pandemic over, at which point Joe started saying "The Trump economy lost ten million jobs, it was the worst economic disaster since the great depression. Then the Biden economy created 10M jobs!" without ever saying that it was ENTIRELY the fault of the pandemic that those jobs were lost, and ending the pandemic restrictions just automatically restored the vast majority of them. 

In all honesty, that was one of the biggest lies of the entire covid saga, and the covid saga is famous for whoppers. Did the MSM call Biden out for that monstrous lie? Never. Not once. According to MSM lore, that was true. 

 

So ^that^ is the world we live in. That's how dishonest leftists are, right across the board. 

Am I supposed to just play nice with these guys every day, and treat them with kid gloves? Am I just supposed to hold leftists to the lowest standards imaginable every day, in every thread, on every post? 

 

Now we're hearing about how awesome Kamala is, and how great she will be for America. Which Kamala? Real Kamala, who spoke from her heart while she pimped a bail fund for rioters, supported the defund police movement, etc, or new-and-improved Kamala, who suddenly called for protesters to become peaceful after Biden named her his VP pick? And who no longer thinks that walls are racist, or that no one should be deported? 

Screw them both, because Kamala is a total id10t. Her 60 minutes interview was worse than Biden's debate against Trump. 

A CNN host who tried to defend her lame duck answers yesterday could only come up with "Her strongest topics are women's rights and abortion". 

Really? In a time that Europe is in an escalating war, and the ME is in an escalating war, and the border is still gaping wide because of failed Harris/Biden policies, you want to elect a president whose strongest topics are "women's rights and abortion"? Is she going to bring about world peace by hectoring Russians, Ukrainians, Israelis, Palestinians, and Iranians about women's rights to abortion and equal pay? 

Just kill me now ffs. I do NOT want to see how a Kamala Harris presidency ends.

 

So can leftists admit that Kamala is a f'king lame duck bimbo who doesn't even have the courage to stand in front of a friendly reporter and answer pre-scripted questions that are posed on the friendliest of terms, with a gentle hand to guide her answers back on track should ever she wander? 

C'mon SkyHigh, rate Kamala on a scale from 1-10, and then tell me how much war there was on planet earth when Trump was president. 

You want to talk about engaging in honest debate, don't shy away now.

 

I'll start: Kamala is a 0 out of 10,000, and the world was at war against islamic state when Trump came into power but that war quickly ended, and then the Abraham Accords were signed, in which Israel was able to normalize relations with some Arabic countries. The world became very peaceful and stable under Trump.  

 

The floor is yours...

Edited October 9, 2024 by WestCanMan

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

Honestly, I completely agree we could find much better topics, but I think this discussion is a great jumping off point because it deals more with style than substance and I think style is an often neglected aspect of productive dialogue and in my opinion also the major contributor to our problems finding common ground.

Thank you for a honest response, I admit that I often use language and rhetoric when responding to people intentionally to attack the core values they profess to believe, but I think or at least distribute it evenly over both sides., but in this case don't see how anything I've said could be construed as partisan and to be clear it may vary well have been, I just didn't realize.

A little info to maybe understand me better. I started coming here primarily to improve my communication skills in the written language. I'm a strong communicator in person (even I the phone I find it more difficult) but because of my history in the education system, I completely neglected my writing abilities and when you add the ADHD being able to summarize my thoughts coherently on paper is really hard ( if you notice I included a lot of brackets), hahaha ) so I know that sometimes the tone of what I write may come across different than intended or precived 

So again in all sincerity, could you please explain what I said that was partisan? That way I can avoid making the same mistakes.

In life I genuinely pride myself on the conscious effort I made to evaluate all things doing my best to compensate for my confirmation bias and it would bother me if that didn't come through in this forum 

I honestly don't care what people think of me , as long as their opinion actually represents the reality of who I at least aspire to be even if I often fall short 

Well to keep it short just because i'm a bit pressed for time tonite.... 

It's almost a meme that people tend to use their upbringing and background  (rather than formal education or other credentials) to say "I'm superior to you and more qualified to speak to this" 

Some examples are the ever popular "I can say this about (ethnic group) because some of my best friends are (ethnic group).  

Or "I can relate to poor people because i was poor growing up so i'm the same as a poor person"  (Oprah after earning her next 100 million)

Or as Kamala has been saying  " I understand x issue because i grew up in a middle class family so i understand how  (virtually every group ever anywhere) feels".   She over uses it to an extreme.  Her upbringing wasn't even 'average' middle class, her parents both made massive dollars, she grew up in montreal as a teen, etc etc.  She has NO connection to young people growing up in alabama but still insists she does because she 'grew up in a middle class family'

 

So when you explain your growing up and life and use it as a basis to justify your current position or give credibility to your current position then you create the appearance of falling into that same pattern or meme. 

I get you probably just wanted to explain that your experiences lead  you  to your conclusion but what it sounds like is similar to the "i grew up in a middle class family so  i really understand the xxxx people!" trope or meme. 

Hence my comment comparing it. Which may or may not be the case in your specific case but that's how it comes across a little. 

 

 

Edit - And as others can testify yes that IS short for me! Shut up. 

Edited October 9, 2024 by CdnFox

[SkyHigh]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Let's  be honest SkyHigh, it's not my first convo with you and I don't find you an honest person.

You don't have an honest bone in your body.

 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

In fact, leftists are basically all dishonest

And straight back to calling me a leftist. You're a complete joke 

I will no longer be responding to you in the future 

You're pathetic.

[Hodad]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Let's be honest SkyHigh, it's not my first convo with you and I don't find you an honest person.

In fact, leftists are basically all dishonest, because left wing media is entirely dishonest. 

Take for example the case of raindropgate vs Biden's assertion that Bidenomics created 10M jobs in 2022. 

In raindropgate you have a guy who stood out in the open for 17 minutes and finished with hair so dry it was almost frizzy. He said that "It didn't rain during his speech" and the MSM went crazy over it. It was "a huge lie".

1. If it was a lie it's the most inconsequential lie of all time. Why would anyone care?
2. A careful inspection of hi-def video reveals that there was in fact a light drizzle for at least ten seconds, maybe 15.
3. So did he 'lie'? Did he forget those few drops that landed on him? Did he just not consider 11 droplets "rain"?
4. For whatever reason, that was a major story for the MSM, and it was their go-to "Trump is a liar!" story for years. Any mention of Trump lies starts with raindropgate.

In Bidenomics you have the story of a president, D Trump, who banned non-Americans from flying into America from China to protect his country from covid at a time when there were only 5 covid deaths in America, and even Fauci was still saying "We don't think that covid is transmissible between humans". Then Trump basically shut down his vaunted economy when there were less than 100 covid deaths in America. Millions of jobs were lost, just in the snap of a finger. Those jobs stayed gone until Joe Biden declared the pandemic over, at which point Joe started saying "The Trump economy lost ten million jobs, it was the worst economic disaster since the great depression. Then the Biden economy created 10M jobs!" without ever saying that it was ENTIRELY the fault of the pandemic that those jobs were lost, and ending the pandemic restrictions just automatically restored the vast majority of them. 

In all honesty, that was one of the biggest lies of the entire covid saga, and the covid saga is famous for whoppers. Did the MSM call Biden out for that monstrous lie? Never. Not once. According to MSM lore, that was true. 

 

So ^that^ is the world we live in. That's how dishonest leftists are, right across the board. 

Am I supposed to just play nice with these guys every day, and treat them with kid gloves? Am I just supposed to hold leftists to the lowest standards imaginable every day, in every thread, on every post? 

 

Now we're hearing about how awesome Kamala is, and how great she will be for America. Which Kamala? Real Kamala, who spoke from her heart while she pimped a bail fund for rioters, supported the defund police movement, etc, or new-and-improved Kamala, who suddenly called for protesters to become peaceful after Biden named her his VP pick? And who no longer thinks that walls are racist, or that no one should be deported? 

Screw them both, because Kamala is a total id10t. Her 60 minutes interview was worse than Biden's debate against Trump. 

A CNN host who tried to defend her lame duck answers yesterday could only come up with "Her strongest topics are women's rights and abortion". 

Really? In a time that Europe is in an escalating war, and the ME is in an escalating war, and the border is still gaping wide because of failed Harris/Biden policies, you want to elect a president whose strongest topics are "women's rights and abortion"? Is she going to bring about world peace by hectoring Russians, Ukrainians, Israelis, Palestinians, and Iranians about women's rights to abortion and equal pay? 

Just kill me now ffs. I do NOT want to see how a Kamala Harris presidency ends.

 

So can leftists admit that Kamala is a f'king lame duck bimbo who doesn't even have the courage to stand in front of a friendly reporter and answer pre-scripted questions that are posed on the friendliest of terms, with a gentle hand to guide her answers back on track should ever she wander? 

C'mon SkyHigh, rate Kamala on a scale from 1-10, and then tell me how much war there was on planet earth when Trump was president. 

You want to talk about engaging in honest debate, don't shy away now.

 

I'll start: Kamala is a 0 out of 10,000, and the world was at war against islamic state when Trump came into power but that war quickly ended, and then the Abraham Accords were signed, in which Israel was able to normalize relations with some Arabic countries. The world became very peaceful and stable under Trump.  

 

The floor is yours...

Out for a little Gish gallop to blow off some steam? ^^This is what happens when you can't get laid, folks. Just raw incel energy released in a rambling, unfocused hate-gasm.  

[Nationalist]

11 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

First I will not comment directly to what Foxy said, we're trying to turn over a new leaf.

I will say that I have said more then once "freedom" is a subjective word ,that I have to the best of my abilities tried to qualify using my  personal interpretation of one aspect of "freedom" that being economic freedom  there are of course other branches of freedom we can and hopefully will discuss, but we have to start somewhere and the ability to change jobs or pursue entrepreneurial opportunities without having to put at risk something as essential as the health of you and your family, to me is incredibly important for a free society.

On another note, I'm much more interested in your opinion to the clear, concise points I made, than asking me to respond to someone elses post that at the time ( of course now we're like old friends now) was admittedly not attempting to engage in a good fath conversation ( to be clear I was not making any effort to do so myself either) but I won't dwell on that because it's entirely possible that you will make a future post addressing me directly. I look forward to reading it 

OK...

IMO...what you're talking about is available both in the US and Europe. Thus it does not provide a level of freedom that is not available elsewhere. In fact, after witnessing what Pixie-Dust and that homely side-kick of his, Freeland, did to those trucker protestors, I'm of a mind to move my liquid assets off shore. Some of which I've already done. Were it up to me, Freeland would be behind bars right now.

The word "freedom" is not subjective IMO. Indeed it is very objective. Our governments have been eroding our personal freedoms WAY too much. Especially this current federal government. Hell Jordan Peterson had his credentials revoked over freedom of speech. All because he refuses to call a man, a woman. It's disgusting. 

Our government is bloated beyond reason and Canadians are regulated to the point of stupidity. Case in point...our housing crisis. Building regulations and costs to navigate the regulations, slows housing construction and pumps the sale prices by a huge margin. Pixie-Dust imports hundreds of thousands of "refugees", but curtails housing construction with his bloated bureaucracies. Stupid and an infringement on freedom and Canadian society.

Ok...your turn...

[SkyHigh]

41 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

OK...

IMO...what you're talking about is available both in the US and Europe. Thus it does not provide a level of freedom that is not available elsewhere. In fact, after witnessing what Pixie-Dust and that homely side-kick of his, Freeland, did to those trucker protestors, I'm of a mind to move my liquid assets off shore. Some of which I've already done. Were it up to me, Freeland would be behind bars right now.

The word "freedom" is not subjective IMO. Indeed it is very objective. Our governments have been eroding our personal freedoms WAY too much. Especially this current federal government. Hell Jordan Peterson had his credentials revoked over freedom of speech. All because he refuses to call a man, a woman. It's disgusting. 

Our government is bloated beyond reason and Canadians are regulated to the point of stupidity. Case in point...our housing crisis. Building regulations and costs to navigate the regulations, slows housing construction and pumps the sale prices by a huge margin. Pixie-Dust imports hundreds of thousands of "refugees", but curtails housing construction with his bloated bureaucracies. Stupid and an infringement on freedom and Canadian society.

Ok...your turn...

Are you saying that the health care systems in the states are comparable to those in Canada ?

I just checked and 54% of Americans get employment based health care. So at least half of Americans can't leave their jobs if themselves or their family has any kind of health issues, not to mention some that couldn't even make lateral moves to other businesses if any of those health issues involve pre existing conditions, and honestly I feel you've not addressed my point.

I agree our government bureaucracy is bloated and the unions have way to much power, so that's not a point of contention between us at all 

I don't think freedom is an objective word but if you provide me with your  definition, I'm fine with using that as our working definition going forward 

I'm not a fan of Justin either, so we can agree on that as well, therefore using current liberals (and their policies) as some sort of counter point to any subjects I may bring up (well presented or if I need to clarify better) is really just a waste of time for both of us 

I'm not partisan, so I don't care about what any political party platform is, I evaluate each specific issue independently based on how I feel it will effect me and society as a hole

[SkyHigh]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well to keep it short just because i'm a bit pressed for time tonite.... 

It's almost a meme that people tend to use their upbringing and background  (rather than formal education or other credentials) to say "I'm superior to you and more qualified to speak to this" 

Some examples are the ever popular "I can say this about (ethnic group) because some of my best friends are (ethnic group).  

Or "I can relate to poor people because i was poor growing up so i'm the same as a poor person"  (Oprah after earning her next 100 million)

Or as Kamala has been saying  " I understand x issue because i grew up in a middle class family so i understand how  (virtually every group ever anywhere) feels".   She over uses it to an extreme.  Her upbringing wasn't even 'average' middle class, her parents both made massive dollars, she grew up in montreal as a teen, etc etc.  She has NO connection to young people growing up in alabama but still insists she does because she 'grew up in a middle class family'

 

So when you explain your growing up and life and use it as a basis to justify your current position or give credibility to your current position then you create the appearance of falling into that same pattern or meme. 

I get you probably just wanted to explain that your experiences lead  you  to your conclusion but what it sounds like is similar to the "i grew up in a middle class family so  i really understand the xxxx people!" trope or meme. 

Hence my comment comparing it. Which may or may not be the case in your specific case but that's how it comes across a little. 

 

 

Edit - And as others can testify yes that IS short for me! Shut up. 

I completely agree that invoking personal experience as apposed to education etc.. is not the correct way to engage in political discourse, but I don't think that's what I did.

I spoke of my personal story, only with the intention to explain my struggles to properly express myself in the written form and to clarify that if something comes out the wrong way that it will most likely be because of form and not function.

I am still confused as to how anything I said could be construed as hackery (I'm not saying it wasn't, just that if it was, it was unintentional) so would you please tell me specifically what I did say (or how I said it) that gave you that impression.

I think we have started to develop something resembling a respectful conversation, so if you can just answer my last question. You can pick the next topic for discussion.

[Deluge]

On 10/7/2024 at 7:04 PM, SkyHigh said:

You know what's sad ? I agree with almost everything you just said.

The problem is and always has been with you, is you have too add in crap like I'm "peddling Marxism , instead of just having a conversation where we could exchange ideas even disagree strongly with eachother but at the same time possibly grow in our understanding of certain issues so if you do want to have a conversation, how about not calling me offensive things like pervert or Démocrate 

Your problem is that you think meaningful discussions can be had about things like Marxism. I don't like Marxism; I want nothing to do with Marxism, or any other ism that turns government loose on the people. I want leadership, not a dictatorship. 

Discussing Marxism is pointless - unless you're devoted to it, which I am not. 

[SkyHigh]

3 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Your problem is that you think meaningful discussions can be had about things like Marxism. I don't like Marxism; I want nothing to do with Marxism, or any other ism that turns government loose on the people. I want leadership, not a dictatorship. 

Discussing Marxism is pointless - unless you're devoted to it, which I am not. 

Well since you're the one that brought up Marxism, I guess you're admitting that everything you say is pointless.

They say that admittance is the first step to recovery, so at least you're on the right track