Canadians must renew their political system, or it will lead the counry from crisis to crisis into the third world

[myata]

The political system created in the 18th century and for it, runs on a borrowed time: for a while, already. There are no chances, or reasonable prospects for a renewal within it for one simple reason: it does not need it. Whatever happens in the country, it's perfectly fine as it is, no thanks.

Talking: for decades, factually, does nothing to bring even minuscule change any closer. In this setting, the democracy will degrade, and decay. And there are no other logical and reasonable paths.

So what is proposed is a new political party: the Political Reform party. It's main agenda and plan is the meaningful political change, as much of it as needed, no excuses or superficial causes. Plus competent, pragmatic management fully transparent and accountable to the citizens. It declares its goals outright and maintains them through several election cycles, till citizens could see that it's for real and grant it an opportunity to go ahead with the change. This option is real and very likely, the only one.

The default duopoly has zero interest in any meaningful change. And there's no one else, discounting political costume shows.

If we begin now, time can be used with good purpose.

Edited September 25, 2024 by myata

[Michael Hardner]

Honourable objective.

 

You need clear goals, methods, a plan to propagate and a name to lead it.

 

Small steps.  Reform did this in the 90s with no social media and a nobody at the helm...

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, myata said:

The political system created in the 18th century and for it, runs on a borrowed time: for a while, already. There are no chances, or reasonable prospects for a renewal within it for one simple reason: it does not need it. Whatever happens in the country, it's perfectly fine as it is, no thanks.

Talking: for decades, factually, does nothing to bring even minuscule change any closer. In this setting, the democracy will degrade, and decay. And there are no other logical and reasonable paths.

So what is proposed is a new political party: the Political Reform party. It's main agenda and plan is the meaningful political change, as much of it as needed, no excuses or superficial causes. Plus competent, pragmatic management fully transparent and accountable to the citizens. It declares its goals outright and maintains them through several election cycles, till citizens could see that it's for real and grant it an opportunity to go ahead with the change. This option is real and very likely, the only one.

The default duopoly has zero interest in any meaningful change. And there's no one else, discounting political costume shows.

If we begin now, time can be used with good purpose.

Oh look you've said something Stupid again

The political system has been revamped a number of times since it was created. And parties have come and gone, And with the exception of the liberals with a fair bit of regularity.

Calling it a two-party system is !diotic. There will be at least four major players on the stage in the next federal election. They will all be able to spend about the same amount of money in advertising thanks to our system and they all have an equal chance to get their message out there and win.

The simple fact is that the governments we get are the governments that people want for the most part. Sure, for the last two elections justin has become the leader .without winning the popular vote, But that certainly is the exception rather than the rule.

There is no meaningful political change. What you want to say is that you're a hard left-wing woke voter and you're angry that there aren't enough other hard left woke !diots to elect the kind of government you want so you'd like to change the system to try and stack it in your favor

No. Thanks for playing.

[Legato]

7 hours ago, myata said:

The political system created in the 18th century and for it, runs on a borrowed time: for a while, already. There are no chances, or reasonable prospects for a renewal within it for one simple reason: it does not need it. Whatever happens in the country, it's perfectly fine as it is, no thanks.

Talking: for decades, factually, does nothing to bring even minuscule change any closer. In this setting, the democracy will degrade, and decay. And there are no other logical and reasonable paths.

So what is proposed is a new political party: the Political Reform party. It's main agenda and plan is the meaningful political change, as much of it as needed, no excuses or superficial causes. Plus competent, pragmatic management fully transparent and accountable to the citizens. It declares its goals outright and maintains them through several election cycles, till citizens could see that it's for real and grant it an opportunity to go ahead with the change. This option is real and very likely, the only one.

The default duopoly has zero interest in any meaningful change. And there's no one else, discounting political costume shows.

If we begin now, time can be used with good purpose.

I popped that post into a blender and out came Floccinaucinihilipilification.

[herbie]

Political reform was part of Justin's original agenda. Went over like a lead balloon so he dropped it. With barely an outcry.
No public consensus on what kind of reform, hell even thinking about it is just too hard for most people.

[myata]

53 minutes ago, herbie said:

Went over like a lead balloon so he dropped it.

That wasn't the chief reason though. He ran on it and he got a majority (I don't like "landslides" that are pretty meaningless in this kind of a system). Anyways, Justin wanted a different reform that would work into his (party's) pocket. And it's true that the duo twin had zero interest and even made some appeals. So the statement in the OP was quite accurate: not a chance of any meaningful change, in the status quo.

[herbie]

No the real reason is that so many people believe shit like that they'd hinder any process. PP would be screaming such an accusation at the top of his lungs. Just as he, a career politician at the top pension is blasting out ads that the only reason Singh won't support his obstructionist power seeking is so he can pad his.

All we're ever going to see is oceans of lies and misinformation on electoral reform the average Joe will have to wade through.

[CdnFox]

44 minutes ago, herbie said:

No the real reason is that so many people believe shit like that they'd hinder any process. PP would be screaming such an accusation at the top of his lungs. Just as he, a career politician at the top pension is blasting out ads that the only reason Singh won't support his obstructionist power seeking is so he can pad his.

All we're ever going to see is oceans of lies and misinformation on electoral reform the average Joe will have to wade through.

Didn't see the NDP fighting terribly hard for it either.

I think the real problem is that people are concerned that you would get minority parliaments with folks like you who can't make reasonable arguments and instead are driven by hatred and anger an oversized voice that they really didn't deserve

Edited September 27, 2024 by CdnFox

[Guest]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

like you who can't make reasonable arguments and instead are driven by hatred and anger

Aren't like 90% of your posts insult laden. 🤔

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Aren't like 90% of your posts insult laden. 🤔

No, just the ones to stupid people who get angry because they can't form an argument.  

!diot  

[Guest]

48 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

just the ones to stupid people who get angry because they can't form an argument.

So why the anger? 😉

 

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

So why the anger? 😉

 

Contempt and amusement.  I can respect a different opinion if the argument is well made even if i disagree but i have little but contempt for stupid, and i find it amusing to torment it in the hopes that maybe it'll come back next time and do better. 

It would seem based on your dozens of posts late last night and this morning, coupled with you deleting an entire 7 page thread's worth of your comments to hide how badly you lost that i've succeeded in the 'torment' part of it  

So - Do better next time.  

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Contempt and amusement.

So you're admitting to anger.

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

So you're admitting to anger.

Ahhh still hampered by your illiteracy i see. 

No wonder you went back and deleted those dozens of posts in that thread where you looked so foolish.   Its a little sad.  Keep practicing

[Guest]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

No wonder you went back and deleted those dozens of posts in that thread where you looked so foolish.   Its a little sad. 

I will take it as a yes.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Perspektiv said:

I will take it as a yes.

well of COURSE you will.  That's your whole thing, ignore what was said or what the words actually mean and make-believe whatever you want like any 4 year old would! 

Here - have a cookie and a nap. You'll be fine. 

[Guest]

Just now, CdnFox said:

well of COURSE you will. 

So that closes that file.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Perspektiv said:

So that closes that file.

Sure!  Well,  you should probably run it by King Friday and Queen Saturday seeing as you're in Make Believe land anyway and maybe Mr Rogers himself but i'm fine with it. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Sure! 

Nice. Thanks.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Nice. Thanks.

you're welcome     Enjoy your delusions!

[herbie]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Didn't see the NDP fighting terribly hard for it either.

Mr Whatabout strikes again.
The subject is about the public and electoral reform, not what party positions are.

[PIK]

18 hours ago, herbie said:

No the real reason is that so many people believe shit like that they'd hinder any process. PP would be screaming such an accusation at the top of his lungs. Just as he, a career politician at the top pension is blasting out ads that the only reason Singh won't support his obstructionist power seeking is so he can pad his.

All we're ever going to see is oceans of lies and misinformation on electoral reform the average Joe will have to wade through.

PP didn't hold the country hostage to get his.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

delusions

Better than your anger, and trying to mask it with smiley faces.

[herbie]

9 minutes ago, PIK said:

PP didn't hold the country hostage to get his.

He did sweet f*ck all for the country.
He wasn't the guy behind pharmacare, dental or child care, was he? He just delivered more in 3 years with a handful of MPs than either the last few majority lib or Tory govts over multiple terms.
KInd of shoots big holes in that lame ass argument, doesn't it?

[PIK]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

He did sweet f*ck all for the country.
He wasn't the guy behind pharmacare, dental or child care, was he? He just delivered more in 3 years with a handful of MPs than either the last few majority lib or Tory govts over multiple terms.
KInd of shoots big holes in that lame ass argument, doesn't it?

And how have those policies worked out?