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10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Rebut what? All I see from you is snotty insults.

Did you read the thread or are you just walking in at the end of the movie and are wondering why your confused about what's going on?

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45 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Did you read the thread or are you just walking in at the end of the movie and are wondering why your confused about what's going on?

I read far too many of your juvenile posts as it is. What's your problem now? 

If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed.

"I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul

"It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot

Posted
1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

Did you read the thread or are you just walking in at the end of the movie and are wondering why your confused about what's going on?

FFS Black Dummy, I just tried to skim through about 5 of your posts and they're sickening. You're like a poop-flinging monkey, just uglier inside and out.

Do you never go back and look at your posts? Do you have no shame? 

FWIW I'm ignoring the snotty insult part of your post in advance, which will no doubt be 99% of it. Just try and include a smidgeon of honest self-awareness in your answer if you'd like me to read it.  

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If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed.

"I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul

"It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot

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7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

FFS Black Dummy, I just tried to skim through about 5 of your posts and they're sickening. You're like a poop-flinging monkey, just uglier inside and out.

Do you never go back and look at your posts? Do you have no shame? 

FWIW I'm ignoring the snotty insult part of your post in advance, which will no doubt be 99% of it. Just try and include a smidgeon of honest self-awareness in your answer if you'd like me to read it.  

Oh I don't care if you read what I write or if you get hit by a bus. You have nothing of value to contribute here or in the real world.

Posted
44 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Oh I don't care if you read what I write or if you get hit by a bus. You have nothing of value to contribute here or in the real world.

Whatever.

So what proofs are you waiting on?

Can you limit your post to the topic at hand for a brief second? I'm not sifting through your infantile shit-posts. 

If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed.

"I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul

"It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot

Posted
19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Whatever.

So what proofs are you waiting on?

Can you limit your post to the topic at hand for a brief second? I'm not sifting through your infantile shit-posts. 

I guess at your age even simple tasks like reading a few pages of a thread are too difficult. That or you're just exceedingly lazy. I'll entertain you here but if you expect me to go through the trouble of articulating my arguments again you can forget about it.

The three main claims your little buddy made that he failed to back up with supporting evidence include:

1. Lincoln owned slaves (in fairness he provided a source for this claim but it turned out to be garbage; he also claimed "much has been written about it" but refused to provide any additional sources.)

2. Confederate statues commemorate all the good things people like Lee did not just their service to the Confederacy.

3. There were issues other than slavery that prompted the Civil War like (lol) excise taxes.

I'll also throw in the long running howler that "Very little of the Nazi policy had anything to do with racism" despite their entire worldview being shaped by the idea of German/aryan supremacy.

I'm not going to restate my counterarguments to any of these, they're all here in the thread. Find them or don't, IDC.

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Posted
4 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Nope. As I said before a real argument requires presenting evidence not just repeating the same false premises over and over. You have repeatedly failed to do so and the only two pieces of evidence you did produce are either low quality or prove the opposite of what you were trying to claim. It's all here in black and white and your denial doesn't change that. You're an extremely poor debater, your arguments are devoid of fact or logic and your triumphalism in the face of these truths is a defense mechanism because you are aware of the chasm between your self perception and the reality.

No, the reason I'm saying otherwise is because it's the truth. Again: it's all here in black and white and your denial doesn't change that.

Oh there's goes our IMAX, projecting again.

"Literally everyone" is obviously a lie. We're talking you and a couple of your fellow members of the lead poisoning brigade which is far from a representative sample. I can rally just as many people who think you're dumber than a bag of dogshit only they'd be right.

And you keep replying, continuing to prove my thesis that you have oppositional defiance disorder and can't accept losing to be correct.

Oh dear.  Still freaking out and lying to yourself? 

Kid.  Every point you made got shot down. Badly. 

That's why you're having this hissy fit now. 

And i notice you got shot down by a LOT of people over the last few days. 

You might want to get some cream for that butthurt  :)  Or at leaest a better therapist....

"That which doesn't kill me...

Had better start running."

Posted
23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Oh dear.  Still freaking out and lying to yourself? 

Kid.  Every point you made got shot down. Badly. 

That's why you're having this hissy fit now. 

And i notice you got shot down by a LOT of people over the last few days. 

You might want to get some cream for that butthurt  :)  Or at leaest a better therapist....

Do you ever get bored posting the exact same dumb shit over and over again, or are you actually sitting back in your reeking office chair thinking "ha ha got 'em" every time you post identical inane and cringey boomer-tier insults? Is it a slog to be so incapable of walking away without getting the last word? Are you both my puppet and your own prisoner?

I'm genuinely curious, Because you're not adding any additional value, you're not changing the fact you've failed to support any of your arguments you're certainly not making anybody else laugh. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

Do you ever get bored posting the exact same dumb shit over and over again, or are you actually sitting back in your reeking office chair thinking "ha ha got 'em" every time you post identical inane and cringey boomer-tier insults? Is it a slog to be so incapable of walking away without getting the last word? Are you both my puppet and your own prisoner?

I'm genuinely curious, Because you're not adding any additional value, you're not changing the fact you've failed to support any of your arguments you're certainly not making anybody else laugh. 

LOL You lefty losers are all the same :)  You think at this point this is some sort of battle of wits. This is me, and apparently a fair number of other people, watching you and laughing at your antics. :) 

Nobody respects you. Nobody respects your opinions. The argument was over ages ago.  You're just so thick you didn't notice :) 

At this point you're the comic relief.  People reply to you to get a laugh out of how you'll beg or insist or freak out next ;) 

Sorry kiddo. I know it hurts your ego a bit. But you're the forum equivilent of watching a cat chase a laser pointer :)  If it helps you're not the only one who acts like this and it's all pretty funny :)  

"That which doesn't kill me...

Had better start running."

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9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL You lefty losers are all the same :)  You think at this point this is some sort of battle of wits. This is me, and apparently a fair number of other people, watching you and laughing at your antics. :) 

Nobody respects you. Nobody respects your opinions. The argument was over ages ago.  You're just so thick you didn't notice :) 

At this point you're the comic relief.  People reply to you to get a laugh out of how you'll beg or insist or freak out next ;) 

Sorry kiddo. I know it hurts your ego a bit. But you're the forum equivilent of watching a cat chase a laser pointer :)  If it helps you're not the only one who acts like this and it's all pretty funny :)  

Oh I'm well aware the argument was over a long time ago. It ended when I dismantled your pathetic efforts with facts and reduced you to making a sad spectacle of yourself.

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3 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Oh I'm well aware the argument was over a long time ago. 

LOL   no you weren't :)  that's what makes it so funny :)   ROFLMAO!   You lose an argument and then you go on for ages because you're too emotionally damaged to cope :) 

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Had better start running."

Posted
1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

I guess at your age even simple tasks like reading a few pages of a thread are too difficult. That or you're just exceedingly lazy. I'll entertain you here but if you expect me to go through the trouble of articulating my arguments again you can forget about it.

It's not a matter of how long it would take, it's a matter of how gross it is to read your drivel. 

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The three main claims your little buddy made that he failed to back up with supporting evidence include:

1. Lincoln owned slaves (in fairness he provided a source for this claim but it turned out to be garbage; he also claimed "much has been written about it" but refused to provide any additional sources.)

FYI most of the disinformation coming out about Lincoln - a Republican - would have come from leftists, who were all about destroying statues for a while during the Kamala-approved riots of 2014-2017 and summer of 2020. 

If CFox read that Lincoln owned slaves, blame your own mongrels for putting that out there, not conservatives. 

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I'll also throw in the long running howler that "Very little of the Nazi policy had anything to do with racism" 

I don't know who said that, but if you want to talk in-depth about Hitler's bigotry, @Five of swords is your guy. He's a Nazi/CNN cultist. 

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If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed.

"I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul

"It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot

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4 hours ago, Black Dog said:

I'll also throw in the long running howler that "Very little of the Nazi policy had anything to do with racism" despite their entire worldview being shaped by the idea of German/aryan supremacy.

You show your own tendency to lie in your own sentence.

I was clear that the Nazis were extremely racist and that it colored their identity a great deal. But that's not their policy. Most of their policy wasn't racist driven. Lebensraum aligned with their racism but it wasn't caused by their racism, it was a popular german position before the nazis.  The jews were not a race. The nazi control of industry and society wasn't race driven. 

The Vast majority of their POLICY had nothing to do with racism.  Even tho racism made up a lot of their identity and beliefs. 

LOL,  which is why you quote me saying "policy", and then try to sneak in "worldview" later as if it's the same thing :)  You just can't help but show you're a liar even when you're trying to call others out ;)  

 

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Had better start running."

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On 10/18/2024 at 4:33 PM, CdnFox said:

LOL   no you weren't :)  that's what makes it so funny :)   ROFLMAO!   You lose an argument and then you go on for ages because you're too emotionally damaged to cope :) 

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You lost an argument and post retarded emojis because you can't cope. So cringe.

On 10/18/2024 at 5:07 PM, WestCanMan said:

FYI most of the disinformation coming out about Lincoln - a Republican - would have come from leftists, who were all about destroying statues for a while during the Kamala-approved riots of 2014-2017 and summer of 2020. 

If CFox read that Lincoln owned slaves, blame your own mongrels for putting that out there, not conservatives. 

The claim was made by a conservative  poster here and he cited a book by a conservative authour. You absolute shit for brains.

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On 10/18/2024 at 6:07 PM, CdnFox said:

You show your own tendency to lie in your own sentence.

I was clear that the Nazis were extremely racist and that it colored their identity a great deal. But that's not their policy. Most of their policy wasn't racist driven.

The whole point of the Nazi project was to create a world dominated by the Aryan master race and to eliminate all they considered lesser races. Every policy they had was in service of that goal even if the policies themselves were not explicitly race-based. This isn't that difficult to grasp.

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Lebensraum aligned with their racism but it wasn't caused by their racism, it was a popular german position before the nazis. 

The Nazi usages of the term Lebensraum were explicitly racial, to justify the mystical right of the racially superior Germanic peoples (Herrenvolk) to fulfill their cultural destiny at the expense of racially inferior peoples (Untermenschen), such as the Slavs of Poland, Russia, Ukraine, and the other non–Germanic peoples of "the East".

This is from the source you posted btw.

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The jews were not a race.

Yes they were, hence the Hitler at the Nazis' frequent references to them as such. Like in Mein Kampf.

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The nazi control of industry and society wasn't race driven. 

Kicking Jews out of business and industry wasn't race-driven? Utilizing a labour force of slaves from the "lesser races" wasn't race-driven?

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The Vast majority of their POLICY had nothing to do with racism.  Even tho racism made up a lot of their identity and beliefs. 

Just like how every Southern slaveholding states grievance against the north could be traced back to slavery, every policy the Nazis had was in service of their ideological goals, which were fundamentally racist. 

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LOL,  which is why you quote me saying "policy", and then try to sneak in "worldview" later as if it's the same thing :)  You just can't help but show you're a liar even when you're trying to call others out ;)  

I'm not surprised that you don't understand that policy and the rationale for said policy are not separate and distinct, you seem incapable of actually following logical trails to their conclusion.

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3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

You lost an argument and post retarded emojis because you can't cope. So cringe.

The claim was made by a conservative  poster here and he cited a book by a conservative authour. You absolute shit for brains.

I never read through all of your snotty posts to see who made what claims, Black Dummy.

You of all people should be able to relate to people who read disinformation, because you still watch CNN ffs. That means that 95% of the things that you have said about current events in the past ten years all turned out to be BS. The only difference between you and CdnFox is that you got stooged into saying stupid things about events that were happening all around you, not 1 random thing that happened approximately 180 years ago.

If Lincoln didn't own any slaves, you can do a tiny victory lap, but at the same time you have to admit to being wrong about mostly peaceful protests, a summer of love, Gentle Giant and GG V-2.0, Russian collusion, the laptop, the Deutsche bank lawfare scandal, the perfect vax, vax-fascism, Sandman, no inflation, etc, etc, etc. 

If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed.

"I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul

"It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot

Posted
5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I never read through all of your snotty posts to see who made what claims, Black Dummy.

You of all people should be able to relate to people who read disinformation, because you still watch CNN ffs. 

I don't watch CNN or any cable news because I'm not 75 years old.

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If Lincoln didn't own any slaves, you can do a tiny victory lap, but at the same time you have to admit to being wrong about mostly peaceful protests, a summer of love, Gentle Giant and GG V-2.0, Russian collusion, the laptop, the Deutsche bank lawfare scandal, the perfect vax, vax-fascism, Sandman, no inflation, etc, etc, etc. 

This is stuff is all meaningless to anyone who isn't steeping their early-onset dementia wracked brains in the fever swamps of online right wing discourse.

Posted
1 minute ago, Black Dog said:

I don't watch CNN or any cable news because I'm not 75 years old.

You are still drinking stupidity from the same firehose. TNI is in print, on the radio, social media, and everywhere else. 

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This is stuff is all meaningless to anyone who isn't steeping their early-onset dementia wracked brains in the fever swamps of online right wing discourse.

It's meaningless to you now because you want to put it behind you. You got stooged and you don't want to talk about it anymore. 

If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed.

"I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul

"It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot

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5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You are still drinking stupidity from the same firehose. TNI is in print, on the radio, social media, and everywhere else. 

The f*ck is TNI? 

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It's meaningless to you now because you want to put it behind you. You got stooged and you don't want to talk about it anymore. 

No I literally have no idea what half that shit is about, again, because i'm not an elderly shut in getting raw sewage pumped into my skull 24/7 like you.

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3 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

The f*ck is TNI? 

The Big Brother Media Network. It's basically a bunch of liars getting together to get their disinformation/false narratives aligned. 

They're the people who collectively banned information about the BSL4 lab in Wuhan, the Hunter laptop, etc., from your news feed. They're the ones who got the NYPost banned from social media for telling the truth and pushed vax narratives into your brain for 2 years.  

The fact that you still don't know who your handlers are is pathetic/alarming. They programmed you. You should at least know their name. 

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 getting raw sewage pumped into my skull 24/7

What a good little cultist you are.

If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed.

"I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul

"It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot

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3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The Big Brother Media Network. It's basically a bunch of liars getting together to get their disinformation/false narratives aligned. 

They're the people who collectively banned information about the BSL4 lab in Wuhan, the Hunter laptop, etc., from your news feed. They're the ones who got the NYPost banned from social media for telling the truth and pushed vax narratives into your brain for 2 years.  

The fact that you still don't know who your handlers are is pathetic/alarming. They programmed you. You should at least know their name. 

What a good little cultist you are.

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3 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

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You're way more athletic-looking than I would have guessed, but you have less hair. I thought you'd have a man-bun. 

If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed.

"I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul

"It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot

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4 hours ago, Black Dog said:

The whole point of the Nazi project was to create a world dominated by the Aryan master race and to eliminate all they considered lesser races.

no, most of it was in response to the rising communism popularity. They weren't out in the streets having fist fights with black people or Jews, they were out having riots with communists

The Nazi party was very racist. There is no doubt that they felt they were superior. But it didn't show up in a lot of their policy Specifically. 

Every policy they had was in service of that goal even if the policies themselves were not explicitly race-based. This isn't that difficult to grasp.

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The Nazi usages of the term Lebensraum were explicitly racial, to justify the mystical right of the racially superior Germanic peoples (Herrenvolk) to fulfill their cultural destiny at the expense of racially inferior peoples (Untermenschen), such as the Slavs of Poland, Russia, Ukraine, and the other non–Germanic peoples of "the East".

This is from the source you posted btw.

 

As I have tried to educate you, the term and the history of it meshed well with their racist attitudes, but it was a policy of expansion of the german empire that existed before them and was about expanding the empire and not about prosecuting other races. Remember those races were allowed to live within germany.

So while the policy meshed quite nicely with their racist attitudes the policy existed before the Nazis got there and the Nazis believed in it for expansion purposes. It's not like they were going to kill off the races they didn't like and then leave the country alone. They wanted it for expansion

 

Yes they were, hence the Hitler at the Nazis' frequent references to them as such. 

Kicking Jews out of business and industry wasn't race-driven? Utilizing a labour force of slaves from the "lesser races" wasn't race-driven?

Just like how every Southern slaveholding states grievance against the north could be traced back to slavery, every policy the Nazis had was in service of their ideological goals, which were fundamentally racist. 

I'm not surprised that you don't understand that policy and the rationale for said policy are not separate and distinct, you seem incapable of actually following logical trails to their conclusion.

and no, the Jews are not a race.

4 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Kicking Jews out of business and industry wasn't race-driven? Utilizing a labour force of slaves from the "lesser races" wasn't race-driven?

Nope. Jews are not a race. They are an ethnicity but they are not a race. Jews come in all kinds of colours and shapes. 

 

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Just like how every Southern slaveholding states grievance against the north could be traced back to slavery, every policy the Nazis had was in service of their ideological goals, which were fundamentally racist. 

Really. So their family fun day benefits were racially motivated? Their economic policies to bring inflation under control and promote business where racially motivated? Their control of Industries and their proposition that germany must be expanded was racial? Their improvements in public health care and education we're all racial? The opposition of the treaty of Versailles and the various responses to it were all racial?

You've lost this one kiddo. Well all of their policies may somehow in some way may mesh with their racist attitudes, teh policies were not racial. Lebensraum was about expansion And pre-existed the Nazis. Their state control over the economy and industry was based on their social ideas that these things should exist to promote the best interests of the society which was military expansion. Their economic policies were all about stabilizing a horrible economy and bringing inflation under control. The vast majority of their social policies were about providing better care and free services to individuals and Families.

When you look at their actual policies, very very few of them are actually racist. They did not attack other countries because of racism, they attacked other countries for the purposes of expansion as had always been the german policy. The fact that they were beating up on some people they didn't like just was icing on the cake.

Let's remember, they really like the English but they attacked them too.

 

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I'm not surprised that you don't understand that policy and the rationale for said policy are not separate and distinct, you seem incapable of actually following logical trails to their conclusion.

He prove your own lie in your own statement. If the policies were racial you would say the policies are racial. What you said was the policies themselves are not racial but somehow deep down the motivation behind them was racial.

What I said is the Nazis were extremely racist people but that their policies specifically were not. And that's just what you agreed with. Policies are not racial but the people behind them are.

 

 

Once again, you have argued to the point where you have come around and literally just admitted that what I said to begin with is correct. Very little of the actual Nazi policy was racist. The Nazis themselves were but most of the policy itself was not.

Anybody asked about world war II would it say that it is defined from a german point of view as the invasion of other countries for the purposes of expansionthe extermination of the Jews. The expansion was not racially motivated, and jews are not a race. 

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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

no, most of it was in response to the rising communism popularity. They weren't out in the streets having fist fights with black people or Jews, they were out having riots with communists

If you think there was nothing racial about the Nazis hatred of what they called Judeo-Bolshevism, you really need to read an actual book.

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The Nazi party was very racist. There is no doubt that they felt they were superior. But it didn't show up in a lot of their policy Specifically. 

It was the underpinning of their ideology and everything they did was in service of that ideology.

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As I have tried to educate you, the term and the history of it meshed well with their racist attitudes, but it was a policy of expansion of the german empire that existed before them and was about expanding the empire and not about prosecuting other races. Remember those races were allowed to live within germany.

It wasn't a Imperial policy, it was a theory of geography that evolved seamlessly into a racial crusade:

Kjellén's geopolitical interpretation of the Lebensraum concept was adopted, expanded, and adapted to the politics of Germany by publicists of imperialism such as the militarist General Friedrich von Bernhardi (1849–1930) and the political geographer and proponent of geopolitics Karl Haushofer (1869–1946). In Deutschland und der Nächste Krieg (1911; Germany and the Next War), General von Bernhardi developed Friedrich Ratzel's Lebensraum concept as a racial struggle for living space, explicitly identified Eastern Europe as the source of a new, national habitat for the German people, and said that the next war would be expressly for acquiring Lebensraum—all in fulfillment of the "biological necessity" to protect German racial supremacy. Vanquishing the Slavic and the Latin races was deemed necessary because "without war, inferior or decaying races would easily choke the growth of healthy, budding elements" of the German race—thus, the war for Lebensraum was a necessary means of defending Germany against cultural stagnation and the racial degeneracy of miscegenation.

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So while the policy meshed quite nicely with their racist attitudes the policy existed before the Nazis got there and the Nazis believed in it for expansion purposes. It's not like they were going to kill off the races they didn't like and then leave the country alone. They wanted it for expansion

The expansionary part and the race part are immeshed and inseparable. The racial aspect was the entire motivation for the Nazis, not an afterthought or a nice-to-have for them.

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Nope. Jews are not a race. They are an ethnicity but they are not a race. Jews come in all kinds of colours and shapes. 

The Nazis considered the Jews a race, that's all that's relevant for our purposes here.

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Really. So their family fun day benefits were racially motivated? Their economic policies to bring inflation under control and promote business where racially motivated? Their control of Industries and their proposition that germany must be expanded was racial? Their improvements in public health care and education we're all racial? The opposition of the treaty of Versailles and the various responses to it were all racial?

They wanted to control the economy to eliminate what thy saw as the pernicious influence of Jews. They wanted to rearm and expand to exterminate lesser races and absorb the territory into greater Germany. Their improvements to health and education and their family policies were all about increasing the size of the population and to ensuring it was pure Aryan (everyone else got eugenics). It all comes back to the central belief in the superiority of the German Volk and the annihilation of its inferior enemies. Again: you cannot separate individual policies from the worldview they served.

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You've lost this one kiddo. Well all of their policies may somehow in some way may mesh with their racist attitudes, teh policies were not racial.

I literally addressed this already: every policy they had was in service of their racial beliefs even if the policies themselves were not explicitly race-based but as such they are still racist.

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Lebensraum was about expansion And pre-existed the Nazis. 

Expansion to protect the German race, silly.

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Their state control over the economy and industry was based on their social ideas that these things should exist to promote the best interests of the society which was military expansion.

LMAO, "the best interests of society?" Whose society, exactly?

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Their economic policies were all about stabilizing a horrible economy and bringing inflation under control. The vast majority of their social policies were about providing better care and free services to individuals and Families.

Really? Even Jewish families? Roma? Slavic? Did everyone get to enjoy teh great care and services equally?

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When you look at their actual policies, very very few of them are actually racist. They did not attack other countries because of racism, they attacked other countries for the purposes of expansion as had always been the german policy. The fact that they were beating up on some people they didn't like just was icing on the cake

It wasn't icing on the cake, it was baked right into it.

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Let's remember, they really like the English but they attacked them too.

Because England declared war on them first. This just proves my point: they had no racial animosity towards France or England or the U.S.A and wouldn't have fought any of them but for treaty obligations on both sides. They wanted to go east because that's where the people they wanted to eliminate were.

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He prove your own lie in your own statement. If the policies were racial you would say the policies are racial. What you said was the policies themselves are not racial but somehow deep down the motivation behind them was racial.

Not deep down, no. The racial motivation is pretty easy to discern, given it was their whole deal. My argument is it's absurd to pretend that the Nazi's policies were separate or free from the taint of their worldview.

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What I said is the Nazis were extremely racist people but that their policies specifically were not. And that's just what you agreed with. Policies are not racial but the people behind them are.

In the Jim Crow South, they had laws that were prima facie race-neutral, but were intended to criminalize and disenfranchise Black people and were enforced accordingly. Those policies were racist even if the letter of the law made no mention of race. The same holds for the Nazis.

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Once again, you have argued to the point where you have come around and literally just admitted that what I said to begin with is correct. Very little of the actual Nazi policy was racist. The Nazis themselves were but most of the policy itself was not.

The purposes of the policies were to enforce the Nazis' racial hierarchy and create their ideal society where the Aryan Volk was on top. Pretending that those policies are somehow separate from the motivations of their creators and their real-world effects is absurd and naive.

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Anybody asked about world war II would it say that it is defined from a german point of view as the invasion of other countries for the purposes of expansionthe extermination of the Jews. The expansion was not racially motivated, and jews are not a race. 

Are Jews a Race? | My Jewish Learning

 

I don't care what your woke link says, Hitler considered the Jews a race (rasse) that's all that matters for the purposes of this discussion.

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If you think there was nothing racial about the Nazis hatred of what they called Judeo-Bolshevism, you really need to read an actual book.

Jews are not a race kiddo. They're an ethnicity. The nazi's didn't care about accuracy they just hated jews  But we know that jews are not a race. As i demonstrated to you.  I notice you can't deny the source :)

The expansion part is completely separable.  Sorry.  

And as far as England goes they knew damn well England was going to be at war with them the moment they invaded poland. They just didn't care. Because the expansion was the important part and if expansion meant going to war with races they liked well so be it.

The vast vast vast majority of actual Nazi policy was not racial. It was based on their theory of expanding their empire which pre-existed the Nazis had been around for ages, controlling their economics and industry to provide for that war, And reducing inflation and providing social benefits for people.

They were horribly racist, but their policies were not based on race. They were based on the longstanding german belief of expansion of the empire, socialistic control of the market and the provision of services to the people. That is what concerned them 90% of the time

 

You can lie, you can twist, you can pretend, but at the end of the day it's true

So now we're at the point where you know you're wrong and you're going to hissy fit about it by just simply repeating lies over and over and over again.

I've already proven that the expansion policy predated the germans and that the policy may have tied well in with the racism of the Nazis but that wasn't the cause of it or the source of it or even what it was all about. It wasn't about destroying the other races it was about expansion and if the other races they didn't like happened to be in the way so much the better. And if the races they had to fight weren't once they didn't like too bad

Sorry kiddo, I know you really wanted to be right at least once but you're just not. The Nazis themselves were extremely racist but their policies for the most part weren't based on that

"That which doesn't kill me...

Had better start running."

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