Housing affordability is a crisis in Canada

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Nope, that only happened in your clownworld fantasy:

 

It's literally in black and white above. I pointed out that the constitution is what creates parliament and you thought that was hilarious. I pointed out that the constitution and constitutional law is different than parliamentary law and you thought that was just nuts. 

Honestly I've seen you do and say sympathetic things. But this takes the cake, how the hell did you not know that the constitution is the supreme law of Canada? Do you realize how Much of a buffoon you appear to be claiming that's not true?

Whatever kid, normally I find your stupidity to be amusing but honestly I'm a little depressed the people can get through our school system and still not know these very basic things. The constitutional documents including the charter grant us rights in Canada and that's it. Everything else is an act of parliament or lower and is not a right

Seriously. Read some history

[Moonbox]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's literally in black and white above

Yep:

23 hours ago, Moonbox said:

It was an Act of British Parliament that formed the basis of our Constitution. 

but in clownworld:

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Considering  you thought that the british north america act was passed by a canadian parliament i'd say i've got a ways to go before i get as dumb as you  

Flailing flailing flailing, look at Foxey Flailing.  🤡🤡🤡

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

Yep:

said much later AFTER you said....

 

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You're wrong because you said Laws don't give rights, 

 

 9/19/2024 at 11:56 AM, CdnFox said:

Not laws made by parliament, which is what you claimed. 

 

 

Yes, by Laws made by Parliament (Acts).  Considering the Constitution itself was formed as an Act, your argument is just as stupid now as it was yesterday. 

 

We were talking about the Canadian Parliament. No mention was made of any other parliament.  

I said that our parliament doesnt' give  us rights.  and you said yes it does AND you claimed that our constitution was created by an act of parliament. 

I LATER told you that was untrue and that our parliament did not exist before the creation of the constitution.

 

LOL so this is your usual game of trying to rewrite what you said now that you know you're wrong.   

Also when you DID figure it out You STILL got it wrong.  The british parliament vote did not form the basis of our constitution, it ratified the legitimacy of the agrement already negotiated between the colonies that would become Canada, 

  Hard fail kid. Next time read history first.  and yes, i will be bugging you about this for quite some time  

 

 

[Moonbox]

Who do you think you're convincing here?  🤣

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

You have struggled to show it as being false. 

I haven't at all. I've shown that at any moment, with out warning, the gov't can say 'you can't evict if they don't pay'. the gov't  can dicate how much you charge the govt' can dictate what you have to do to get your proeprty back etc etc. 

And it's not up to me to prove the negative.  It's up to YOU to prove your claim they do have rights. 

And you couldn't. At all.   Because the don't 

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

No, simply calling you out for lying about there being none.

no, if you wanted to do that you'd show where they had rights. 

You want it to be my fault you're wrong. 

And you don't want to admit you're wrong even tho it's become painfully obvious that you've realized it. 

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Opinion.

Then show me. 

 

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

You can repeat it.

Yes  that's  how truth works. You can repeat it

Landlords have no rights and if they did by this point you'd have shown where,

Gays have rights and i can show in 2 second where their rights derrive from, present court cases recognizing they have actual rights that the gov't cant' just set aside, etc.  Same with women.  Same with a lo of things. . I can point precisely to the clause in the document that creates such rights. 

So far you've come up with provincial law.  Which despite moonbox's confusion is NOT something that creates rights  

 

Landlords have no rights, you know this ot be true or you'd have shown where they do, and it's leading to fewer and meaner landlords. 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Who do you think you're convincing here?  🤣

Awww - Best you had kiddo?  Couldn't even post a childish meme or pretend it's cause my posts are so long? LOL

We both know the truth. You screwed up and wound up looking stupid again. It's there in black and white. There's no 'convincing' it's just a thing that happened.  

I regularly make you look stupid. As a result, to try to comfort whats left of your sad little ego you jump in and attack me out of the blue like an enraged Chihuahua with the intent of trying to make me look bad. And because of that your arguments are always crap and poorly formed. And you wind up looking stupid again.

Maybe you need to think about this a little

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

How have you shown this, other than covid-19, which would not be indicative of "on a whim"?

A deadly pandemic doesn't pass the sniff test of having no rights.

You are (falsely) claiming measures used during it, are still being employed without proof.

You have failed to provide any other proof, and are trying to murky the debate topic to avoid doing so.

Regulations aren't a removal of your rights.

You claiming as such, don't make it fact.

I did. The tribunals. Their rights are listed. I can link you to them, if desired. Let me know which provonce you would prefer to see them from.

You saying these aren't rights, would require you to prove how they are not. You have failed to do so.

You're trying to gaslight people into believing your narrative, which is all what you are saying is.

I have proven they do have rights. Have offered to post the list of them of your liking. Let me know the province. 

You're essentially trying to say their list of rights aren't rights and fighting for their rights aren't fighting for rights because rights, they do not have.

All you're missing is the foil hat o_O

I did, pick a province. Will send you the list of rights. 

Doesn't make it any truer. You did try, so hats off.

We can agree to disagree.

I know you're wrong (have heavy handed proof to back it up), and you can feel you're right (and continue to avoid posting specific proof on how you are).

We are done debating. This was fun, though.

Pretty simple.  First off there is no "Other than".  During covid the gov't decided that landlords should pay out of their own pockets for the social safety net with no consultation and zero remuneration.  What's to say they won't again tomorrow for some other reason? If we have an economic downturn is that reason enough? Nobody knows and the Landlords have NO RIGHTS. 

Further despite the agreement that landlords would  raise rates by the amount of inflation - when inflation went up and landlords had to pay more money out of their own pockets the gov't decided to BREAK that agreeement and FORBID the landlords from raising rates to match inflation because "that would be unfair".  Again - ZERO rights. And that had nothing to do with covid. 

So that is absolute proof. At any moment the gov't can remove their right to charge money for their place. can alter how much they're allowed to charge, can forbid eviction, and they can do it on a whim.  

 

Meanwhile you've provided nothing. And there is no province that can grant "rights" to anyone. At best they can pass laws which they or the next gov't can change on a whim. 

 

And you'll 'send" me a list of rights? Can't post them here?

You're a liar and i'ts obvious.  You're beyond dishonest. There are no rights, i've proven that and you can't produce ANYTHING that says different. 

[Moonbox]

On 9/21/2024 at 2:27 AM, CdnFox said:

Awww - Best you had kiddo?  Couldn't even post a childish meme or pretend it's cause my posts are so long? LOL

We both know the truth. You screwed up and wound up looking stupid again. It's there in black and white. There's no 'convincing' it's just a thing that happened.  

Yes, we both know the truth.  You've said some utterly ridiculous, easily-disproven things and fully humiliated yourself...again. 

All that's left now is your flailing and pitiful attempts to re-arrange reality to try and save face.  It's all there, in black and white.  Your coping mechanism doesn't require much of a response.  🤡

[CdnFox]

58 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Name the province, and will cite the rights landlords have within it, verbatim.

*grabs popcorn*

Provinces don't give 'rights'.  Rights are granted by the constitution. Provinces pass laws, and any law they pass they can unpass or pass a new one tomorrow. 

Pick any right you think landlords have from anywhere and we'll go from there. 

 

And if you're at the point where you're posting cheezy memes you know you've lost  

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Meaning there are no laws and rights?

Still can't come up with a single example can you. Seven pages and you still haven't come up with a single right.

You about done or do you want to continue looking like a complete jackass for a little while?

[CdnFox]

52 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Kind of like your personal insults are you with a comfortable lead.

You can't come up with proof governments can change landlord rights at will.

Ah, the insults vs substance to your argument.

That must be you winning, again.

I did. Right to raise rents every 12 months. Right to evict for just cause.

You have yet to post governments changing laws at will, and constantly, like you put it, which is blatantly false.

Still not a single example of even one "right" i see. 

You're  a joke. You might as well waive a sign to the world "I believe that repeating a lie will make it true!!!!"

And the fact you're wrong apperently is my fault.   LOL 

You don't have the right to raise rents every 12 months at all. In fact the gov't dictates whether you can or if you can at all, and changes that on a whim.  Show my ANYWHERE that it's written that you have that as a "right". 

A regulation FORBIDDING you to raise rents EXEPT as the gov't allows is not a right, it's a restriction. 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Just because you feel they don't exist, won't make it reality.

You can't even name one. 

They don't exist, and you're dishonest. 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

At least we have something in common.

 

yeah - you realize that means i'm right and you're wrong. well done. 

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In your opinion. You have yet to prove otherwise. 

Nope that's fact until YOU prove otherwise. That's how logic and arguments work, if you're going to claim something exist the burden of proof is on you. Until you do then they're assumed not to. 

And you can't.. Because they don't. 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

You feel you're right. Have yet to quantify with cites and evidence. 

I can't PROVE santa doesn't exist. So he must right? What kind of loser demands others prove that what he says exists doesn't. 

Still can't come up with a single example of  a right can you.  Hard fail kid. If there was one you'd have mentioned it. 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Sure you can. O_o

Not in your world. 

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Ah, the personal insults. You must be winning again.

Ahhh the lack of proof of rights, you must be losing again. 

Kid - it's not like this is a debate any more.  You've failed to prove your claim, and the burden of proof is on you.  You can't even come up with a single example of a right. 

Not one. None. zilch. 8 pages and not a one. 

So really making fun of you is all that's left    I mean you're literally a guy who'll believe in santa because i can't PROVE he doesn't exist   That's pretty funny   

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Am confused.

 

Obviously. 

If you say something exists, you have to be able to provide evidence it exists.  You have provided no evidence of any rights for landlords. 

In fact you presented restrictions. That's the opposite of a right, that's where your freedoms have been reduced and you can only do what hte gov't allows. 

Kids learn this very early on in school -  if you claim something exists you have to show evidence for its existence. So.  Grade 3.  Just a little too hard for you to work past i take it  

[herbie]

Don't pay your rent and discover the rights landlords don't have.

You're griping out one side of your mouth you can't afford to buy a house and that landlords need more rights with the other?

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, herbie said:

Don't pay your rent and discover the rights landlords don't have.

 

Tens of thousands did during covid. Nothing happened.  ANd the gov't could for any reason decide to do that again.  If we hae an economic downturn and we've got a woke ndp gov't they could once again say "it would be cruel to kick people out right now". 

You lost that one pretty hard   Maybe don't pick an imaginary thing that happened like TWO YEARS AGO as your example  

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You're griping out one side of your mouth you can't afford to buy a house and that landlords need more rights with the other?

I own already kiddo  . So i'd challenge you to show where i EVER griped that I couldn't afford to buy a house  

And we're talking real houses, not the ones you can triple the price of with your credit card    LOLOL (that never gets old  ) 

But it is a problem that the kids can't afford houses without the bank of mom and dad backing them.  That really is a problem. 

Rental and owner occupied homes have the same base problem - not enough homes period. 

But the fact is builders are slowing down their building and one of the reasons for that is investment in homes is not the same as it was.  People don't want to own rental homes any more like they used to . Too many getting burned.  

So what you get is big rental corps with big lawyers snapping up all the affordable housing, fixing it up, and renting at insane prices for junk because it's the only way they can justify the risk. 

Here in bc the gov't offered major grants to anyone willing to  finish their basement and rent it out. Despite the fact that tens of thousands qualified and could have done it, almost nobody did. Why? They didn't want to risk being a landlord.  Thats tens of thousands of rentals across the province that could be available today but -  nobody's stupid enough to want to do it. 

Making it fair and desirable to be a landlord again is a major step in dealing with rental problems.  Landlords have no rights. There's no protections that the gov't can't take away without warning tomorrow and has before. 

At the rate things are going within a few years 35 percent of our kids will be living in tents or motor homes. And a sizeable hunk of our elderly will as well

[Moonbox]

6 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

All you have left is to deny it being false, insult and happy face emoji your way to most posters giving up at how pathetic you are, so you can tell yourself you won the debate.

You're not the first person to tell him that, or even the 10th, and you won't be the last.  

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

I did. You denied its existence.

I even offered to post the list of rights. All you need to do is request the province you want to see rights from.

You seem to shine at personal insults, more than you do at debate. So, there goes that kid excuse.

This is your version of governments constantly amending rights "at will".

Without proof, that's just hearsay. 

Opinion, if you will. 

Am sure you learned that in grade school, too.

Again, you're conflating hearsay with cold hard facts. 

You're literally inventing 95% of the narrative, then patting yourself on the back about how handily that you won the debate. That's literally what you just did o_O

You're the most predictable poster.

When you're happy face emoji heavy, you're butthurt, angry and trying to convince yourself that you're happy, while tears stream down your puffy food and alcohol stained cheeks.

Still not convincing yourself, so you need to escalate it.

In your opinion.

During covid-19. Not exactly "on a whim", certainly doesn't point to it happening next week, month or even year.

I like how you pull numbers and arguments out of your butt. 

All you have left is to deny it being false, insult and happy face emoji your way to most posters giving up at how pathetic you are, so you can tell yourself you won the debate.

I don't think he understands what a law is, or the rights associated to it. 

Still not e single example of a right.

Well there you go. I guess all you've got left is lies. 

24 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

You're not the first person to tell him that, or even the 10th, and you won't be the last.  

Awww muffin - still butthurt?

THis from a guy who didn't realize that constitutional law predates and supercedes the parliament  

[NAME REMOVED]

For a good laugh, check out kijiji or Facebook marketplace, and look for either shared accommodation or rooms for rent under $1000. New immigrants,  nearly all East Indians,  own the property,  and they dont rent to people outside their race.

Especially native Canadians since we know the laws. These ppl think nothing of putting 4 befs in a unfinished basement, and charging $500-1000 per person. Its not unheard of for 15+ residents living in one home, totally illegal of course.

Its obly a matter of time before one of them burns down, and kills a dozen people. 

[Moonbox]

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

THis from a guy who didn't realize that constitutional law predates and supercedes the parliament

You can make up whatever dumb nonsense you like, everyone can see it's coping after you made yourself look like an assclown.  How many threads can you get laughed out of today, do you figure?  More than yesterday, or less?  It'll be entertaining regardless!

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

You can make up whatever dumb nonsense you like, everyone can see it's coping after you made yourself look like an assclown.

Dude - what everyone can see is that you started off presenting provincial law as a "right" and then went on to claim that constitutional law and parliamentary law were the same thing.  And laughed at the idea that the constitution was the 'supreme' law.

You effed up, realized you're wrong and tried desperately to pretend you knew all along when you very obviosuly didn't. And how many hundreds of times have we seen that from you now. 

Here  i'll save you some time.  You're wrong but it's MY fault because:

1  my post count

2 how long my posts are

3 some word who's meaning is obvious actually means something entirely different

4 math doesn't work the way everyone else thinks it does. 

There ya go. 

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

For a good laugh, check out kijiji or Facebook marketplace, and look for either shared accommodation or rooms for rent under $1000. New immigrants,  nearly all East Indians,  own the property,  and they dont rent to people outside their race.

Especially native Canadians since we know the laws. These ppl think nothing of putting 4 befs in a unfinished basement, and charging $500-1000 per person. Its not unheard of for 15+ residents living in one home, totally illegal of course.

Its obly a matter of time before one of them burns down, and kills a dozen people. 

That has happened before. 

As long as there's more people than there are rental spaces we're going to see more and more of this. 

Soon the kind of landlord you're talking about will be the only ones left along with the big corporate orgs. 

[suds]

We have individual rights (or civil rights) which are usually laid out in a country's constitution. We  have human rights which are more international in scope such as the UN's Declaration of Human Rights. And then there's the ordinary 'right' which is a privilege or power that belongs to a person by law. Maybe you're all getting a little too hung up over exactly what a right is?  Just my opinion.