Safety patrol teams show up at University of Toronto to protect Jewish students as the school year begins

[Army Guy]

49 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Do you believe Palestinians have the same right when they're attacked?

Can you give some examples of where Israel was not provoked, and just decided you know what, let's just kill some terrorist today....just for something to do....

The answer to your question is no i don't. The palestinian authority have chosen their path long ago, which is the total elimination of the state of Israel, they picked this fight, don't cry or whine when they are losing it..The only people that can stop all of this is the palestinian people...get rid of Hamas and elect a government that is willing to work with Israel, the people of Israel are just as tired of this conflict, and will demand their government come to some form of agreement... right now both Gaza and west bank are nothing more than welfare state...and thats not always how it use to be...not that long ago...

[Old Guy]

5 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Once a terrorist always a terrorist...those responsible for planning or taking part in terrorist activates should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law...Hunted down like dogs...and brought to justice...on both sides of the conflict..

Thanks for the hyperbole. I did like your once a terrorist always a terrorist... So you would agree that the likud party should be prosecuted given that it was begun by terrorists and is currently being led by a man who has an outstanding warrant for war crimes against him? 

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, Old Guy said:

Thanks for the hyperbole. I did like your once a terrorist always a terrorist... So you would agree that the likud party should be prosecuted given that it was begun by terrorists and is currently being led by a man who has an outstanding warrant for war crimes against him? 

No problem, it is what i do...It's been my experience that once people cross that line they rarely come back from it...

I would agree that those that planed or committed terrorist acts should be brought to justice... regardless of party...Bringing in the entire membership of a political party starting from today going back to 1977 is a bit much don't you think....do you think all of those members that were part of the Lukid group in the 40 's are still around to make up the political group in 1977..... hardly...

As for war crimes...moving the goalpost i see, being a terrorist and being charged with war crimes are to different topics...you sure you want to get into war crimes, because Hamas has a full page of crimes it needs to answer for....unfortunately those responsible will not likely see a courtroom, but a drone attack...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud

If he ever exits the country, then yes i would love to see him tried in a international court of law for any war crimes he has committed...

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Old Guy said:

Ben Gurian w...

Then there is the the Irgun

Deir Yassin massacre in which 107 Arab Villagers including women and children were killed.  

the Likud party...

Menachem Begin who was Israel's sixth Prime Minister.

So you see terrorists can become political leaders and even Prime Ministers. 

If you include Deir Yassin, which was the most egregious attack on muslims in Israel by far, the total number of muslims killed during partition was less than 500.

Partition of Palestine occurred in 1948 with less than 500 muslims murdered.

Partition of Pakistan occurred in 1947 with over 800,000 Sikhs and Hindus murdered. Some sources have that number over 2M.

 

Partition of Palestine occurred in 1948 with 700,000 Palestinians displaced with no right of return.

Partition of Pakistan occurred in 1947 with more than 10x as many Sikhs and Hindus displaced with no right of return.

 

If muslims were up in arms about what happened to Sikhs and Hindus in Pakistan I would sympathize with them, but they don't give a shit about them. They are just ducky with Pakistan.

I get that Palestinians would be unhappy because this happened to them personally, but muslims living outside of Palestine should be far more upset about the murders of 800,000 people than the murders of 500 people. For each Palestinian that was murdered there were at least 1,600 Sikhs and Hindus murdered. 

Why doesn't Iran go to war against Pakistan if they're such great humanitarians? 

[Old Guy]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

If you include Deir Yassin, which was the most egregious attack on muslims in Israel by far, the total number of muslims killed during partition was less than 500.

Partition of Palestine occurred in 1948 with less than 500 muslims murdered.

Partition of Pakistan occurred in 1947 with over 800,000 Sikhs and Hindus murdered. Some sources have that number over 2M.

 

Partition of Palestine occurred in 1948 with 700,000 Palestinians displaced with no right of return.

Partition of Pakistan occurred in 1947 with more than 10x as many Sikhs and Hindus displaced with no right of return.

 

If muslims were up in arms about what happened to Sikhs and Hindus in Pakistan I would sympathize with them, but they don't give a shit about them. They are just ducky with Pakistan.

I get that Palestinians would be unhappy because this happened to them personally, but muslims living outside of Palestine should be far more upset about the murders of 800,000 people than the murders of 500 people. For each Palestinian that was murdered there were at least 1,600 Sikhs and Hindus murdered. 

Why doesn't Iran go to war against Pakistan if they're such great humanitarians? 

Wow is this a whataboutism fallacy?  Whatever, nice pivot. Since when is any religion not riddled with with schisms, each proclaiming they are the only true way. Some prepared to fight to the death to prove it - god willing.  Protestant vs Catholics, Shia vs Sunni, Evangelicals vs any and all takers. 

Here is a bigger problem for Israel and Jewish people everywhere, Netanyahu's  over reach has created 100's of thousands of children who know nothing of peace, who know the sound of gunfire rather than bird song, who have been traumatized by bombs falling and who have lost family. They know only war and they will no doubt wait their opportunity to give back. If I were Jewish I would e begging my government to end the war.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

The answer to your question is no i don't.

I didn't think so, but thanks for being honest.

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

The only people that can stop all of this is the palestinian people...get rid of Hamas

That'll only happen by getting rid of the regimes in countries like Iran and Qatar that support Hamas.

The only people who can do this are countries that helped start all this...that would include us.  We helped break it so we're responsible for helping fix it.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Old Guy said:

Wow is this a whataboutism fallacy?  Whatever, nice pivot. Since when is any religion not riddled with with schisms, each proclaiming they are the only true way. Some prepared to fight to the death to prove it - god willing.  Protestant vs Catholics, Shia vs Sunni, Evangelicals vs any and all takers. 

Just learn it, stupid.

Muslims will always cry about the 500 muslims who were killed in 1948, but they'll never shed a tear for the 800,000 Sikhs and Hindus that were killed less than a year before by muslims, in an earlier British partition.

So when the muslims from outside of Palestine scream and cry that they want justice for 1948, I know that they are just bigots who aren't worth listening to. 

Quote

Here is a bigger problem for Israel and Jewish people everywhere, Netanyahu's  over reach has created 100's of thousands of children who know nothing of peace, who know the sound of gunfire rather than bird song, who have been traumatized by bombs falling and who have lost family. They know only war and they will no doubt wait their opportunity to give back. If I were Jewish I would e begging my government to end the war.

Oh stop with the poetry you bigoted whiner.

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

Do you believe Palestinians have the same right when they're attacked?

Absolutely. IF Israel crossed the border without warning or direct provocation and slaughtered 1200 of their people and took a few hundred hostages and tortured and mutilated the people and then fled  i'd say hamas would have the right to fight back to protect itself.  Especially if israel was still firing hundreds of rockets into gaza as well directly targeting civilians only. 

But that never happened. At all. It DID happen the other way around. 

[Old Guy]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

The only people that can stop all of this is the palestinian people...get rid of Hamas

How about getting rid of the settlements that continue to pop up on the west-bank. How about ending the ending the Israeli militias that attack Palestinians with the aim of driving them from their homes. How about ending the occupation. 

 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

IF Israel crossed the border without warning or direct provocation and slaughtered 1200 of their people and took a few hundred hostages

You must not be paying attention to the news or you would have noticed IDF do this on an almost daily basis in the west bank. 

Let me ask you this. You wake up one day, you're sitting there having a coffee when some soldiers show up and usher you and your family outside. You start to ask what's happening and one of the soldiers smacks you aside the head and tells you they are going to bulldoze your house because the neighbor wants to expand his garden. He shows you a court order granting the neighbour title to your land. Would you resist? 

Of course you will argue that this doesn't happen.  But this is exactly how so many Jewish settlements are being built in the Palestinian West Bank.  

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Old Guy said:

How about getting rid of the settlements that continue to pop up on the west-bank. How about ending the ending the Israeli militias that attack Palestinians with the aim of driving them from their homes. How about ending the occupation. 

Sure that too, but probably best to do one thing at a time.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Old Guy said:

How about getting rid of the settlements that continue to pop up on the west-bank. 

How about getting rid of the west bank.

How about no more Palestinians in Israel and there is just Israel. Israel has put his hand out several times to look for peace and the Palestinians have failed to do so even once. If they don't want to live in peace then they should live somewhere else. End of story

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Old Guy said:

How about getting rid of the settlements that continue to pop up on the west-bank. How about ending the ending the Israeli militias that attack Palestinians with the aim of driving them from their homes. How about ending the occupation. 

 

You must not be paying attention to the news or you would have noticed IDF do this on an almost daily basis in the west bank. 

Nope. That'd be a lie. And a common one told by people who like to try and justify why Hamas and Gaza attacked Israel.

Sorry kiddo, the attack on Israel was unprovoked and unannounced and those people currently getting their asses handed to them deserve every death. Maybe they will learn not to rape and burn women and children And then hide behind there own women and children with a specific purpose of getting them killed to have a higher body count to cry about at the united nations.

[Old Guy]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Sure that too, but probably best to do one thing at a time.

Good idea how about starting with the settlements?

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, Old Guy said:

Good idea how about starting with the settlements?

It doesn't really matter I suppose. I guess  I'd encourage more mass protests to pressure governments to impose economic sanctions against Israel.

In any case I think the longer those of us in the west refuse to get serious about burying our hatchets in one another here the fighting over there will never end.

Edited September 14, 2024 by eyeball

[Old Guy]

41 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nope. That'd be a lie. And a common one told by people who like to try and justify why Hamas and Gaza attacked Israel.

Sorry kiddo, the attack on Israel was unprovoked and unannounced and those people currently getting their asses handed to them deserve every death. Maybe they will learn not to rape and burn women and children And then hide behind there own women and children with a specific purpose of getting them killed to have a higher body count to cry about at the united nations.

The international court and most of the world would disagree with you. 

A sneak attack by the Palestinian air force using flying bicycles.  Don't you think its kind of weird how they were able to punch so far into land controlled by Israel and across an armed  border.  In what world does 1139 dead Israeli settlers justify the death of over 41,000 Palestinians including over 3,000 children?  If that is your belief then I don't see much room for discussion. But you might want to have a look at the principle of proportionality. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Old Guy said:

The international court and most of the world would disagree with you. 

A sneak attack by the Palestinian air force using flying bicycles.  Don't you think its kind of weird how they were able to punch so far into land controlled by Israel and across an armed  border.  In what world does 1139 dead Israeli settlers justify the death of over 41,000 Palestinians including over 3,000 children?  If that is your belief then I don't see much room for discussion. But you might want to have a look at the principle of proportionality. 

And where in that link does it say that "Every Day" israelis enter the west bank and kill 1200 civillians, rape the women and burn the bodies as you claimed they did? LIke, at all?

 

Me: IF Israel crossed the border without warning or direct provocation and slaughtered 1200 of their people and took a few hundred hostages

You: You must not be paying attention to the news or you would have noticed IDF do this on an almost daily basis in the west bank. 

 

there isn't a single word about that in the source you cited. Not one.  It does not happen. 

So I was right, and you were lying. Which is for whatever reason exactly what we see constantly from the left attempting to justify gaza's attacks.

That would be the sound of your credibility flushing down the toilet.  If you can't be honest, you should probably be quiet. 

[NAME REMOVED]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And where in that link does it say that "Every Day" israelis enter the west bank and kill 1200 civillians, rape the women and burn the bodies as you claimed they did? LIke, at all?

 

Me: IF Israel crossed the border without warning or direct provocation and slaughtered 1200 of their people and took a few hundred hostages

You: You must not be paying attention to the news or you would have noticed IDF do this on an almost daily basis in the west bank. 

 

there isn't a single word about that in the source you cited. Not one.  It does not happen. 

So I was right, and you were lying. Which is for whatever reason exactly what we see constantly from the left attempting to justify gaza's attacks.

That would be the sound of your credibility flushing down the toilet.  If you can't be honest, you should probably be quiet. 

For one, we agree!

[Five of swords]

On 9/7/2024 at 11:34 AM, CdnFox said:

Safety patrol teams show up at University of Toronto to protect Jewish students as the school year begins - The Canadian Jewish News (thecjn.ca)

So it has come to this. Jews have had to enlist their own volunteer security force to keep their kids safe because Canada's flawlessness has grown to a point where authorities can no longer control itself.

Is this the future of our country? Teams of volunteers replacing police and other forces as security for our communities?

Jews should not be allowed security. Do white people get their own security at schools when jewish teachers talk  about how evil white people and white civilization is? Let the jews fend for themselves like white people have to.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

For one, we agree!

Why, it's patently clear Israel is taking advantage of the distraction its war against Gaza has provided to expand it's colonization of the West Bank.

In 2024, Israel illegally seized 23.7sq km (9.15 sq miles) of Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank, amid its ongoing war on Gaza.

That’s more than the land it took over the past 20 years combined.

 

Israel kills more than 500 Palestinians in the West Bank since October 7

That toll is more than three times the number of Palestinians killed in the West Bank in 2022.

 

 

 

[NAME REMOVED]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Why, it's patently clear Israel is taking advantage of the distraction its war against Gaza has provided to expand it's colonization of the West Bank.

While I agree that Natanyahu is a war criminal, I think Israel would be doing the World a favor by eradicating Palestine. 

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

In 2024, Israel illegally seized 23.7sq km (9.15 sq miles) of Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank, amid its ongoing war on Gaza.

That’s more than the land it took over the past 20 years combined.

They need to seize MORE land. Drive all the Palestinians out. October 7 changed the rules. If the Palestinians wanted their own state, they should not have attacked a stronger nation, and killed mainly innocent women and children.

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

While I agree that Natanyahu is a war criminal, I think Israel would be doing the World a favor by eradicating Palestine. 

They need to seize MORE land. Drive all the Palestinians out. October 7 changed the rules. If the Palestinians wanted their own state, they should not have attacked a stronger nation, and killed mainly innocent women and children.

If we're being 100% honest we're probably doing the Palestinians a favor as well.

Currently their entire lives are revolving around their hatred. Every waking minute is focused on conflict and hatred and generational murder and killing. They will never make a home or a life for themselves, they will never be successful and have a decent economy and have children with good prospects.

It's entirely possible that if they move somewhere else and are dispersed that they may eventually let that go and focus on their day-to-day lives and start thinking about a future rather than the past

All I can say with certainty is whatever we've been doing for the last 80 years has not been working

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

If the Palestinians wanted their own state, they should not have attacked a stronger nation, and killed mainly innocent women and children.

They didn't, Hamas did, with help from Iran and Qatar.

If you're implying ordinary Palestinians supported this attack that changed the rules you'll have to show me a poll or referendum result that shows these ordinary Palestinians had some inkling of and gave their support to this attack prior to Oct 7th. Thousands of ordinary Palestinian workers tried to show up for work in Israel that morning who clearly didn't have a clue what was happening.  That blows a pretty significant hole in what you're saying don't you think?

And before you start celebrating the democratic virtue of Hamas' election nearly 2 decades ago don't forget they haven't allowed Gazans to hold an election since.

This all seems like an appallingly flimsy basis for advocating genocide.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

While I agree that Natanyahu is a war criminal, I think Israel would be doing the World a favor by eradicating Palestine. 

You seem ridiculously conflicted - wtf is wrong with you?

[NAME REMOVED]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It's entirely possible that if they move somewhere else and are dispersed that they may eventually let that go and focus on their day-to-day lives and start thinking about a future rather than the past

If Europe and North America are any indication, that will never happen, and they will remain parasites to their host nations. 

[Old Guy]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

There isn't a single word about that in the source you cited. Not one.  It does not happen. 

Yep I will need to be more literal with you in the future.  Here is another link and although it doesn't say 1200 Palestinians it does shows that the west bank is controlled and is being settled by Jews and the IDF has been raiding the west bank for years.  

 

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

How about no more Palestinians in Israel and there is just Israel. Israel has put his hand out several times to look for peace and the Palestinians have failed to do so even once. If they don't want to live in peace then they should live somewhere else. End of story

Really?  You really need to give your head a shake and maybe read more. The myth that Israel wants a two state solution was rejected by Ben Gurion, the father of Israel, who said early on favored the transfer policy.

Goldmann reported that Ben Gurion had told him in private in 1956:^[76]

Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?

Or this: 

Israeli historian Benny Morris wrote that the idea of expulsion of Palestinian Arabs was endorsed in practice by mainstream Zionist leaders, particularly Ben-Gurion.