Safety patrol teams show up at University of Toronto to protect Jewish students as the school year begins

[CdnFox]

Safety patrol teams show up at University of Toronto to protect Jewish students as the school year begins - The Canadian Jewish News (thecjn.ca)

So it has come to this. Jews have had to enlist their own volunteer security force to keep their kids safe because Canada's flawlessness has grown to a point where authorities can no longer control itself.

Is this the future of our country? Teams of volunteers replacing police and other forces as security for our communities?

[Dougie93]

as the civil disorder continues to propagate

at some point the provinces will invoke Aid to the Civil Power

summoning HM Canadian Army to put boots on the streets

Vigilamus pro te

 

[CdnFox]

I doubt it'll come to military patrols of the streets (soldiers, In our streets, we're not making this up  LOL)  but at some point various "security" groups will clash. 

The jewish people will have their security groups, safe bet the palestinians will respond with their own 'gang' of security, others may well look to protect their own kids, it'll be a matter of time till there's a clash and violence.  And where does that stop?

[Dougie93]

the right to collective and/or individual private security is strictly constrained in Canada

civilian protective enterprise is unlikely to be effective against paramilitary threats

any sort of private militia's being formed beyond dime store rent-a-cops, would not only be unlawful

but that sort of gangsterism run amok would be just the sort of situation

wherein the provinces would invoke Aid to the Civil Power

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the right to collective and/or individual private security is strictly constrained in Canada

Where?

[Dougie93]

55 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Where?

well any sort of sufficiently armed to defend itself from the likes of terrorism paramilitary security organization

would by those means be deemed to be Organized Crime by Section 467.1 of the Criminal Code

in that, private paramilitary security is in of itself unlawful in Canada

tale for example that a twenty year old male Pakistani resident of Canada

was arrested in Quebec this weekend

on his way to New York to "murder as many Jews as he could" in the name of ISIS

he was armed with a Romanian AK-47 and an Austrian Glock 17

there's no lawful  private security firm in Canada capable of addressing a threat like that

 only tactical armed constabulary are authorized & equipped for that threat in Canada

if the threat was widespread, the only force capable of reinforcing is HM Canadian Army

requested from the Federal Government by the Province in Aid to the Civil Power

to wit, if/when ISIS is running amok in Canada

that is a national security threat

at the very least warranting unleashing the National Mission Force at CANSOFCOM

but in a Confederation so vast as Canada

inevitably additional force protection would be required

from both the Regular Force & Militia

Edited September 7, 2024 by Dougie93

[Old Guy]

It is too bad that the government wasn't able to develop a more nuanced response rather than adopting the perspective of the Jewish Zionist lobby's take on things but they didn't and instead have worked to suppress any voices in opposition of Israel's over reach.  How many pro Palestinian students killed Jewish students? None.  And yet they were labeled terrorists from the get go.  The coercion came from Jewish donors who threatened to withdraw funds because those terrorists were calling their kids names and making threats. 1250 Jewish settlers and IDF members were killed in that raid while Israel has killed over 40,000 Palestinians.  Our whole country should be protesting this slaughter.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

well any sort of sufficiently armed to defend itself from the likes of terrorism paramilitary security organization

would by those means be deemed to be Organized Crime by Section 467.1 of the Criminal Code

I'm not sure you could make that argument. Frankly even unarmed people can still provide security, which is apparently what's happening now, and i don't think we need to have a discussion about how much damage a trained physically fit man can do if he wants to.  Krav Maga is nothing to sneeze at. 

 

[Dougie93]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm not sure you could make that argument. Frankly even unarmed people can still provide security, which is apparently what's happening now, and i don't think we need to have a discussion about how much damage a trained physically fit man can do if he wants to.  Krav Maga is nothing to sneeze at.

but this is Canada

Canada is not going to tolerate adversaries fighting it out on Canadian soil

in the event of ethno religious groups going to war in the streets

that's a classic case of Aid to the Civil Power boots on the ground

just look at Oka, which was a dispute between Quebec and the Mohawks

that alone incited full army mobilization, with a mechanized Brigade Group at Oka

yet don't forget, once it got to court, the Judiciary sided with the Iroquois

Edited September 8, 2024 by Dougie93

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but this is Canada

 

Well spotted. 

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Canada is not going to tolerate adversaries fighting it out on Canadian soil

Sure we are. 

Edited September 8, 2024 by CdnFox

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure we are. 

well I will concede that this is some futuristic dystopian Canada now

disconnected from its history & constitution

so I suppose that "all bets are off" is plausibly in effect at this dire juncture

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

well I will concede that this is some futuristic dystopian Canada now

 

Welcome to 10 years of justin  

[Dougie93]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Welcome to 10 years of justin  

he really is Canadian Nero

the lunatic authoritarian totalitarian who drove Canada into a catastrophe, inside of a decade

because he doesn't delegate any authority

he attempts to run the country by central planning from his office as a de facto dictator

the entire government acting as his sycophantic cronies

and literally every single one of his ill thought out policies is a disaster

[paradox34]

On 9/7/2024 at 9:34 AM, CdnFox said:

Safety patrol teams show up at University of Toronto to protect Jewish students as the school year begins - The Canadian Jewish News (thecjn.ca)

So it has come to this. Jews have had to enlist their own volunteer security force to keep their kids safe because Canada's flawlessness has grown to a point where authorities can no longer control itself.

Is this the future of our country? Teams of volunteers replacing police and other forces as security for our communities?

But "diversity" is our strength!?

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, paradox34 said:

But "diversity" is our strength!?

maybe they mean it causes lots of fights so we should learn to be strong Or get beaten up?

[Army Guy]

On 9/7/2024 at 9:03 PM, Old Guy said:

It is too bad that the government wasn't able to develop a more nuanced response rather than adopting the perspective of the Jewish Zionist lobby's take on things but they didn't and instead have worked to suppress any voices in opposition of Israel's over reach.  How many pro Palestinian students killed Jewish students? None.  And yet they were labeled terrorists from the get go.  The coercion came from Jewish donors who threatened to withdraw funds because those terrorists were calling their kids names and making threats. 1250 Jewish settlers and IDF members were killed in that raid while Israel has killed over 40,000 Palestinians.  Our whole country should be protesting this slaughter.

A known terrorist group invaded the state of Israel, and killed 1250 of it's citizens and has taken countless hostages. those actions amount to a declaration of war, and in war people die, BTW well over half your total number of palestinians killed are confirmed Terrorist, which are included in Hamas death tolls...It's not a slaughter...if Israel wanted to it could have carpet bombed the whole place and would now be dozing it into one big parking lot...but that is not happening....What every Canadian should be doing is condemning Hamas for its actions, stopping all Canadian tax payer dollars from flowing into gaza and the west bank...Stopping all palestinians from migrating to Canada. Until Hamas is removed from power...

It would be a different story if it was Jewish students that were the ones threatening palestinians students, how many pro palestinians students have been killed by jewish students NONE...your original question is a moot point...threats of all kinds should be investigated and those guilty should be charged,or have their student visa canceled ..this is Canada not Gaza or the west bank

[Old Guy]

On 9/10/2024 at 3:51 PM, Army Guy said:

A known terrorist group invaded the state of Israel, and killed 1250 of it's citizens and has taken countless hostages. those actions amount to a declaration of war, and in war people die, BTW well over half your total number of palestinians killed are confirmed Terrorist, which are included in Hamas death tolls...It's not a slaughter...if Israel wanted to it could have carpet bombed the whole place and would now be dozing it into one big parking lot...but that is not happening....What every Canadian should be doing is condemning Hamas for its actions, stopping all Canadian tax payer dollars from flowing into gaza and the west bank...Stopping all palestinians from migrating to Canada. Until Hamas is removed from power...

It would be a different story if it was Jewish students that were the ones threatening palestinians students, how many pro palestinians students have been killed by jewish students NONE...your original question is a moot point...threats of all kinds should be investigated and those guilty should be charged,or have their student visa canceled ..this is Canada not Gaza or the west bank

 

On 9/10/2024 at 3:51 PM, Army Guy said:

A known terrorist group invaded the state of Israel, and killed 1250 of it's citizens and has taken countless hostages. those actions amount to a declaration of war, and in war people die, BTW well over half your total number of palestinians killed are confirmed Terrorist, which are included in Hamas death tolls...It's not a slaughter...if Israel wanted to it could have carpet bombed the whole place and would now be dozing it into one big parking lot...but that is not happening....What every Canadian should be doing is condemning Hamas for its actions, stopping all Canadian tax payer dollars from flowing into gaza and the west bank...Stopping all palestinians from migrating to Canada. Until Hamas is removed from power...

It would be a different story if it was Jewish students that were the ones threatening palestinians students, how many pro palestinians students have been killed by jewish students NONE...your original question is a moot point...threats of all kinds should be investigated and those guilty should be charged,or have their student visa canceled ..this is Canada not Gaza or the west bank

They are a terrorist group because that is how Israel and its allies label them.  If there was an objective definition of terrorist  then you would have to include the Zionist settlers whose settlements have been declared illegal by the UN and many western countries.  Lets not forget also that the Netanyahu government funded Hamas as a counterpoint to to the PLO and to prevent the formation of a Palestinian State, (the two state solution) Here is an article in the Israel Times 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Old Guy said:

 

They are a terrorist group because that is how Israel and its allies label them. 

Right.  Well that and the fact that they keep committing acts of terrorism. You know, like slaughtering 1200 innocent civilians, raping women, burning the children that sort of thing.

Pretty much everybody in the world calls them terrorists and again, it's not because they don't do anything

[Army Guy]

10 hours ago, Old Guy said:

 

They are a terrorist group because that is how Israel and its allies label them.  If there was an objective definition of terrorist  then you would have to include the Zionist settlers whose settlements have been declared illegal by the UN and many western countries.  Lets not forget also that the Netanyahu government funded Hamas as a counterpoint to to the PLO and to prevent the formation of a Palestinian State, (the two state solution) Here is an article in the Israel Times 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/  

Bullsh*t, they are a terrorist group , as described by definition by international law,   NATO, and most western countries, including ours...What else do you call a political group that kills civilians women and children, for the sake of making a political point...

And i agree there are Israelis that should be prosecuted those lands stolen in recent times......The PLO was a known terrorist group the Israelis government did pay HAMAS and it has been proven a huge mistake ....But that does not give them a reason to attack Israel does it....Now the Hamas government has directly attacked Israeli and Israel has the right to defend themselves...

[Old Guy]

13 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Bullsh*t, they are a terrorist group , as described by definition by international law,   NATO, and most western countries, including ours...What else do you call a political group that kills civilians women and children, for the sake of making a political point...

And i agree there are Israelis that should be prosecuted those lands stolen in recent times......The PLO was a known terrorist group the Israelis government did pay HAMAS and it has been proven a huge mistake ....But that does not give them a reason to attack Israel does it....Now the Hamas government has directly attacked Israeli and Israel has the right to defend themselves...

I agree attacking civilians is the act of terrorism. What I would point out that todays terrorist could be tomorrows freedom fighter. If the fight is successful they might even attain high position in government. Case in point Ho Chi Minh united Vietnam, Ben Gurian who was Israel's first PM lead a group Haganah was the largest paramilitary group and opposed any cooperation between Jews and Arabs, instead favored a policy of expulsion. He initially agreed to the bombing of  the King David Hotel in which 91 lives were lost. After the bombing he lined up to condemn it. Then there is the the Irgun, a paramilitary group credited with the bombing and together with Lehi aka Stern Gang were responsible for the Deir Yassin massacre in which 107 Arab Villagers including women and children were killed.  

The Irgun were condemned as a terrorist organization by the UN, the British and the united States government. They were eventually absorbed into the IDF. The IDF's core was the Haganah led by Ben Gurian . As well Irgun's political arm formed the basis of the  Likud party which as we know has been in power for most of Israel's history. Oh and the Irgun was led by Menachem Begin who was Israel's sixth Prime Minister. So you see terrorists can become political leaders and even Prime Ministers. 

[WestCanMan]

Protect them from whom? WASPs? 🤣 Trudeau would say that.

Edited September 13, 2024 by WestCanMan

[eyeball]

16 hours ago, Army Guy said:

it....Now the Hamas government has directly attacked Israeli and Israel has the right to defend themselves...

Do you believe Palestinians have the same right when they're attacked?

[Old Guy]

On 9/12/2024 at 10:13 AM, Old Guy said:

.this is Canada not Gaza or the west bank

Or Israel. 

 

[WestCanMan]

21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Do you believe Palestinians have the same right when they're attacked?

Do you believe that Palestinians want peace? 

They don't even ask for peace, just a ceasefire. 

Do you think the Israelis should give them a 12-second ceasefire?

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, Old Guy said:

I agree attacking civilians is the act of terrorism. What I would point out that todays terrorist could be tomorrows freedom fighter. If the fight is successful they might even attain high position in government. Case in point Ho Chi Minh united Vietnam, Ben Gurian who was Israel's first PM lead a group Haganah was the largest paramilitary group and opposed any cooperation between Jews and Arabs, instead favored a policy of expulsion. He initially agreed to the bombing of  the King David Hotel in which 91 lives were lost. After the bombing he lined up to condemn it. Then there is the the Irgun, a paramilitary group credited with the bombing and together with Lehi aka Stern Gang were responsible for the Deir Yassin massacre in which 107 Arab Villagers including women and children were killed.  

The Irgun were condemned as a terrorist organization by the UN, the British and the united States government. They were eventually absorbed into the IDF. The IDF's core was the Haganah led by Ben Gurian . As well Irgun's political arm formed the basis of the  Likud party which as we know has been in power for most of Israel's history. Oh and the Irgun was led by Menachem Begin who was Israel's sixth Prime Minister. So you see terrorists can become political leaders and even Prime Ministers. 

So you'd agree that it is not just Israel and her allieds that have termed them terrorist, but pretty much most of the globe........And there is an objective definition of What or whom is deemed a terrorist, be it from the UN, International law, NATO, most western nations including Canada's all have clear and concise definitions of who or what a terrorist is...HAMAS fits them all...

There is no high ground in any of Hamas actions in Israel, they knew exactly how israel would react, and Hamas was playing to the global opinion , they already knew Israel has not looked favorably in the eyes of the globe...They are masters at playing the victim...and most of the globe is not smart enough to see them as terrorists, who went looking for women, children, the elderly to kill that day...and those they did not kill they held captive as hostages...

In hopes of getting something in return...well sir they are getting everything owed to them and more, Gaza is nothing more than a pile of rubble...and as of today Israel is still conducting operations and leveling anything else that is standing...Trying to make hamas or the palestinian people out to be the victim is for gullible and weak people... 

To your point Yes before Israel was a nation there were Jews that took part in terrorist activates, There were also some very questionable acts that carried out after they announced statehood, and were in times of war...

Tomorrow freedom fighters do not specifically target women and children to make a political point...killing of women and children is not a leadership quality anyone really looks at, or favors...Unless your moral values are somewhat twisted...much like the palestinians who have elected two terrorist organizations to represent them...

Once a terrorist always a terrorist...those responsible for planning or taking part in terrorist activates should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law...Hunted down like dogs...and brought to justice...on both sides of the conflict...I'm not aware of any nation on this planet that does not have some very ugly skeletons in their closet including Canada...But it is a Canadian past time to point fingers and scream at others, when we also live in a glass house full to the roof with skeletons we don't want to talk about...