U.S. Army Issues Statement Criticizing Trump Campaign Over Their Behavior at Arlington Cemetary

[West]

20 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You lie

65 killed by hostiles under Trump

16 killed by hostiles under Biden (Official records are not updated for this year, but I believe 13 in 2022 and 3 earlier this year is the full count)

The truth is that you absolutely don't give a single solitary shit about dead soldiers. You think this is an opportunity to score cheap political points. You are exploiting dead soldiers for cynical political gain. You're disgusting. Stop it.

2500 were killed under Obama/Biden so while unfortunate these people were killed Trump did well with the hand he was dealt from his predecessor

[Hodad]

8 minutes ago, West said:

2500 were killed under Obama/Biden so while unfortunate these people were killed Trump did well with the hand he was dealt from his predecessor

You are still doing it, you disgusting, dishonest creep. 

Here is what Trump was actually "handed" by his predecessor: Hostile deaths by year:

2015 - 16 deaths

2016 - 16 deaths

2017 - 22 deaths (first year Trump)

2018 - 14 deaths 

 

Stop telling lies about dead soldier for cheap political points. The idea that Trump has a legit record of success here is pure fantasy. Trump didn't do any better than what his predecessor "handed" him and he lost far more military personnel than Biden. Lie about other things. Leave our dead soldiers out of it. 

[West]

7 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You are still doing it, you disgusting, dishonest creep. 

Here is what Trump was actually "handed" by his predecessor: Hostile deaths by year:

2015 - 16 deaths

2016 - 16 deaths

2017 - 22 deaths (first year Trump)

2018 - 14 deaths 

 

Stop telling lies about dead soldier for cheap political points. The idea that Trump has a legit record of success here is pure fantasy. Trump didn't do any better than what his predecessor "handed" him and he lost far more military personnel than Biden. Lie about other things. Leave our dead soldiers out of it. 

What did I lie about? I did a Google search and there were 2500 killed under Obama/Biden in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/some-2500-americans-have-died-in-afghanistan-and-iraq-under-obama-62022/

Edited August 29, 2024 by West

[Rebound]

12 minutes ago, West said:

What did I lie about? I did a Google search and there were 2500 killed under Obama/Biden in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/some-2500-americans-have-died-in-afghanistan-and-iraq-under-obama-62022/

That’s fine. If you’re going to add the eight years of Obama, then add the eight years of Bush. Right? 

Edited August 29, 2024 by Rebound

[West]

Just now, Rebound said:

Cause you added in eight years of Obama, which began with full-fledged war in both Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as taking out Qaddafi. 

Even still there wasn't 1250 service members killed under Trump so there. 

[Rebound]

8 minutes ago, West said:

Even still there wasn't 1250 service members killed under Trump so there. 

You're still lying. 1250 service members were not killed by hostile action or terrorist attack under Biden. Not by a longshot. We lost 13 souls under Biden's watch. 

According to the US Department of Defense: US military deaths by Hostile Action and Terrorist Attack were:

2015: 16

2016: 16

2017: 21

2018: 14

2019: 21

2020: 9

2021: 13

2022: 0 (First time since 1999)

If Trump is so great, why do you guys need to keep lying to defend him? If he was great, telling the truth would work just fine. 

Edited August 29, 2024 by Rebound

[West]

8 minutes ago, Rebound said:

That’s fine. If you’re going to add the eight years of Obama, then add the eight years of Bush. Right? 

Why are you more upset by Trump taking an invitation from the families of the fallen and having a private photographer take photos than by the Biden/Harris incompetence that put them there? Sad

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

You're still lying. 1250 service members were not killed by hostile action or terrorist attack under Biden. Not by a longshot. We lost 13 souls under Biden's watch. 

According to the US Department of Defense: US military deaths by Hostile Action and Terrorist Attack were:

2015: 16

2016: 16

2017: 21

2018: 14

2019: 21

2020: 9

2021: 13

2022: 0 (First time since 1999)

If Trump is so great, why do you guys need to keep lying to defend him? If he was great, telling the truth would work just fine. 

I'm not lying at all. Under the Obama/Biden administration 2500 servicemembers were killed. 

Trump wound down the foreign wars. 

[Rebound]

37 minutes ago, West said:

Why are you more upset by Trump taking an invitation from the families of the fallen and having a private photographer take photos than by the Biden/Harris incompetence that put them there? Sad

I'm not lying at all. Under the Obama/Biden administration 2500 servicemembers were killed. 

Trump wound down the foreign wars. 

Stop deflecting. 
The Orange Piece of Shlt desecrated the most sacred ground in America by having his photograph taken in a restricted area which prohibits photography, under Federal law? 
 

It’s not about politics or the wars or who you like more.  What it’s about is that the dumb piece of shlt orange man was told, “Sir, you are not allowed to stand here, would you please move over there?”… 

 

NO! I’m Donald Trump!  Laws don’t apply to me! I’m allowed to do anything I f-cking want!  If I want to politicize this cemetery in violation of the law, I will!  And my campaign staff will claim that the cemetery workers are having mental breakdowns.  I don’t care which of you basement dwellers I need to step on!  Laws don’t apply to me! 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, West said:

What did I lie about? I did a Google search and there were 2500 killed under Obama/Biden in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/some-2500-americans-have-died-in-afghanistan-and-iraq-under-obama-62022/

You said that Trump did much better than what he inherited from his predecessor. That is a lie. Trump inherited a situation in which combat was essentially over. Deaths actually increased slightly under Trump relative to the rate he inherited. 

You said that due to Biden's incompetence "so many" lives were lost. Many more lives were lost under Trump than under Biden. You were being dishonest. You literally had no idea of the casualty rate of one relative to another--you didn't know and didn't care. You simply wanted to use dead soldiers to try to score cheap political points. You're disgusting. 

[West]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

Stop deflecting. 
The Orange Piece of Shlt desecrated the most sacred ground in America by having his photograph taken in a restricted area which prohibits photography, under Federal law? 
 

It’s not about politics or the wars or who you like more.  What it’s about is that the dumb piece of shlt orange man was told, “Sir, you are not allowed to stand here, would you please move over there?”… 

 

NO! I’m Donald Trump!  Laws don’t apply to me! I’m allowed to do anything I f-cking want!  If I want to politicize this cemetery in violation of the law, I will!  And my campaign staff will claim that the cemetery workers are having mental breakdowns.  I don’t care which of you basement dwellers I need to step on!  Laws don’t apply to me! 

He was invited. 

[West]

58 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You said that Trump did much better than what he inherited from his predecessor. That is a lie. Trump inherited a situation in which combat was essentially over. Deaths actually increased slightly under Trump relative to the rate he inherited. 

You said that due to Biden's incompetence "so many" lives were lost. Many more lives were lost under Trump than under Biden. You were being dishonest. You literally had no idea of the casualty rate of one relative to another--you didn't know and didn't care. You simply wanted to use dead soldiers to try to score cheap political points. You're disgusting. 

No you are being dishonest by not recognizing the 2500 troops dead under Biden/Obama and how the failed withdrawal from Afghanistan led to unnecessary deaths.

[Chrissy1979]

8 hours ago, sharkman said:

This is fake news.  Stop listening to BS on the internet.  The Trump campaign will have lies told about it until Christmas.

Do you have evidence it's fake? The Army confirmed it happened. Do you think perhaps you came to your conclusion because you can't accept the truth because it makes you look like a horrible person?

[Hodad]

22 minutes ago, West said:

No you are being dishonest by not recognizing the 2500 troops dead under Biden/Obama and how the failed withdrawal from Afghanistan led to unnecessary deaths.

Bullshit. What happened 4, 8, 12 or  whatever years before Trump took office is NOT what he inherited. What Trump inherited was an Afghanistan without significant conflict and a rate of 16 deaths per year. That's a fact.

You called Biden incompetent and blamed that incompetence for "so many" deaths--16 deaths. 

4x as many service people were killed by hostiles were under Trump. Is Trump 4x as incompetent as Biden? Is that a point you want to make? 

Of course not. You were just being a dick, playing cynical, ignorant politics with dead soldiers.

You had no idea whether what you said was true or false--and you didn't give a fark. You just saw dead soldiers and a cynical opportunity to exploit those deaths.

 

 

[Chrissy1979]

6 hours ago, sharkman said:

It wouldn’t be an issue if Kamala had the balls to pay respects in this manner, what you believe is irrelevant…

You think a campaign even that disregards federal law is paying respect? You people who cry Fake News whenever your true nature is revealed are the ones who need balls. 

[West]

20 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Bullshit. What happened 4, 8, 12 or  whatever years before Trump took office is NOT what he inherited. What Trump inherited was an Afghanistan without significant conflict and a rate of 16 deaths per year. That's a fact.

You called Biden incompetent and blamed that incompetence for "so many" deaths--16 deaths. 

4x as many service people were killed by hostiles were under Trump. Is Trump 4x as incompetent as Biden? Is that a point you want to make? 

Of course not. You were just being a dick, playing cynical, ignorant politics with dead soldiers.

You had no idea whether what you said was true or false--and you didn't give a fark. You just saw dead soldiers and a cynical opportunity to exploit those deaths.

 

 

Your line of attack is very disrespectful to the family members of the fallen servicemembers who felt let down by Brandon/Harris. Harris/Brandon even went as far as saying nobody died on his watch which was a lie and a very vile thing to say. Sad

[Hodad]

35 minutes ago, West said:

Your line of attack is very disrespectful to the family members of the fallen servicemembers who felt let down by Brandon/Harris. Harris/Brandon even went as far as saying nobody died on his watch which was a lie and a very vile thing to say. Sad

Now that you've been revealed as dishonest and exploitative you want to move the goalposts again? Fine. 

Biden should not have said that. It was false. Even though he lost far fewer service members than Trump, there were casualties. 

Your problem, again, is that Trump told the exact same lie. Any (fake) sadness or anger you feel at Biden must be applied to Trump as well. Next? 

Gold Star families have earned the right to feel angry and to criticize the commander in chief.

It's a fact that Biden and Harris were respectful and deferential to the criticism from gold star families. Contrast that with Trump attacking the gold star Khan family after they criticized him. Next? 

 

You phony fark. Just leave the soldiers out of it. It's gross. Those are real people, not political fodder. 

Edited August 30, 2024 by Hodad

[West]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Now that you've been revealed as dishonest and exploitative you want to move the goalposts again? Fine. 

Biden should not have said that. It was false. Even though he lost far fewer service members than Trump, there were casualties. 

Your problem, again, is that Trump told the exact same lie. Any (fake) sadness or anger you feel at Biden must be applied to Trump as well. Next? 

Gold Star families have earned the right to feel angry and to criticize the commander in chief.

It's a fact that Biden and Harris were respectful and deferential to the criticism from gold star families. Contrast that with Trump attacking the gold star Khan family after they criticized him. Next? 

 

You phony fark. Just leave the soldiers out of it. It's gross. Those are real people, not political fodder. 

I've not moved the goal posts at all. My position has been

1. Trump was invited by the family members who were upset by Biden's remarks on there being no dead service members during his time.

2. Obama/Biden oversaw a time where 2500 service members were killed. This is far more than Trump

3. Trump inherited a war in Afghanistan that Obama prolonged. Trump was reducing significantly the number of service members in Afghanistan after Obama put record numbers there. 

4. The withdrawal was a disaster as was Biden's response to the service members 

5. Which led to Trump being invited to a service at the memorial. It's pretty sad that they are trying to attack Trump now for it. 

6. And the response/ the Biden admin not taking responsibility rather trying to shift and attack Trump is just further insult to those who were killed. 

All of what I said is factual. You keep bringing up nonsense to shift from the grievous errors

[robosmith]

10 hours ago, sharkman said:

It wouldn’t be an issue if Kamala had the balls to pay respects in this manner, what you believe is irrelevant…

It's no more irrelevant than ^this belief of YOURS. Duh

Kamala was busy campaigning in a respectful traditional fashion, UNLIKE TRUMP GRINNING over a GRAVE and pretending he has respect for who he calls "losers" and "suckers." 🤮

10 hours ago, suds said:

From The Hill....... "According to Arlington National Cemetery’s media policy, filming and photographing is not authorized “for partisan, political or fundraising purposes, in accordance with the Hatch Act.”  So how does this work now? The Hatch Act applies to all executive branch civil servants, but does not include the President or Vice President. Trump is neither President, Vice President, or a civil servant. So the problem is the photographer?  But if that's the case, I can post a dozen photos of Presidents, Vice Presidents,and Past Presidents, laying wreaths at Arlington. So who took all these photos? Or is it a case of when Trump does it, it's political, but not when anyone else does it?

The problem is the video for his campaign which he PROVED by posting it on Tic Tok. Duh

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, West said:

He wasn't campaigning. He was invited by family members to a memorial for their loved ones who unfortunately lost their lives because of the Biden/Harris administration 

Yes and he clearly turned it into a campaign event by posting his campaign video on Tik Tok. Duh

[Rebound]

4 hours ago, West said:

He was invited. 

You’re lying again. If Trump is right, why do you constantly lie to defend him? 

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, West said:

What did I lie about? I did a Google search and there were 2500 killed under Obama/Biden in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/some-2500-americans-have-died-in-afghanistan-and-iraq-under-obama-62022/

Biden wasn't in charge nor the decision maker about Obama's management of Bush's Iraq war. Duh.

Edited August 30, 2024 by robosmith

[Rebound]

33 minutes ago, West said:

I've not moved the goal posts at all. My position has been

1. Trump was invited by the family members who were upset by Biden's remarks on there being no dead service members during his time.

2. Obama/Biden oversaw a time where 2500 service members were killed. This is far more than Trump

3. Trump inherited a war in Afghanistan that Obama prolonged. Trump was reducing significantly the number of service members in Afghanistan after Obama put record numbers there. 

4. The withdrawal was a disaster as was Biden's response to the service members 

5. Which led to Trump being invited to a service at the memorial. It's pretty sad that they are trying to attack Trump now for it. 

6. And the response/ the Biden admin not taking responsibility rather trying to shift and attack Trump is just further insult to those who were killed. 

All of what I said is factual. You keep bringing up nonsense to shift from the grievous errors

Lying Again.

They did not have the authority to “invite” Trump and his camera crews into the restricted area of the cemetery in violation of Federal law. 

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, West said:

Why are you more upset by Trump taking an invitation from the families of the fallen and having a private photographer take photos than by the Biden/Harris incompetence that put them there? Sad

I'm not lying at all. Under the Obama/Biden administration 2500 servicemembers were killed. 

Trump wound down the foreign wars. 

Trump didn't end any wars. He backed out of his negotiation to withdraw from Afghanistan and it was the ISIS which he CLAIMED he destroyed which was responsible for the 13 deaths during our withdrawal under Biden.

Trump's FAILURE makes him MORE responsible for their deaths. Duh

[Guest]

18 hours ago, robosmith said:

First, Harris had NO POWER to make those decisions. STOP LYING.

That's irrelevant. You're still part of the administration.

[Rebound]

9 hours ago, West said:

Your line of attack is very disrespectful to the family members of the fallen servicemembers who felt let down by Brandon/Harris. Harris/Brandon even went as far as saying nobody died on his watch which was a lie and a very vile thing to say. Sad