Support for the Democratic Party is a complete rejection of Christian values in society.

[Black Dog]

On 8/23/2024 at 5:26 PM, User said:

Most other countries seem to protect their borders more than Democrats want to do for our own, they don't have that many illegal immigrants.

This is funny because lots of countries are struggling with undocumented immigrants, including France and UK (which until recently was under a right wing government). Read a newspaper or book sometime.

[Rebound]

On 8/24/2024 at 12:15 PM, blackbird said:

I never said or suggested I understand God perfectly.  I have pointed you to Jesus Christ because you gave no evidence you are a born again believer.  If you are, give us your testimony how you came to be a Christian and what exactly you believe.

Do you think it was wrong for the Apostles and disciples of Christ in the early church to go out into the world to preach the gospel to every person?  Should they have just kept to themselves?  

Jesus said "15  And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16  He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. "  Mark 16:15 KJV

Are you saved?  How do you know?

The Holy Scripture was given to men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

" 16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."  2 Timothy 3:16 KJV

The Bible is therefore God's revelation to man.  It is God speaking to man.  How is it crazy then to believe that God does not speak to man through his Holy Scripture.  That is how God the Holy Spirit communicates with people, through his written word, the Bible.  If you don't believe that, why do you mention the Bible?  What does it mean?

This is similar to what you already said.  You want to silence anyone and stop them from talking about what God says in his word.  As I said, do you oppose the apostles, prophets, disciples of Christ who spread the gospel to the world after Christ?  Do you oppose the missionaries that went out into the world through the centuries and spread the message of Christ and preached the Bible?  It sounds like it.  Countless people gave their lives to spread the gospel of salvation by faith in Jesus Christ.  Were they wrong to do that?  They were martyred by being burned at the stake, crucified, and various other ways.

 

Really?  Are you really in a position to judge Joel Osteen?  I don't think I am qualified or in a position to judge him.  I have a million other things in life to do and don't know much about him.  People make their choices about who they want to support.

 

Of course faith is between me and the Lord.  Never said it wasn't.

But it makes sense to share the gospel and help others be saved and receive eternal life doesn't it?  Why would you want to silence believers and let people blindly go to hell?  If you saw someone in danger would you not want to warn them if you had the chance?  Your reasoning is seriously flawed.

We are not even talking about material wealth so I don't really get your point.  Salvation is strictly by faith in Jesus Christ, not by works.  Nothing wrong with voluntary charity.  That is a good thing.  But you can't earn your way into heaven.  See Ephesians 2:8, 9 KJV  If you are saying one must do good works or support Socialism to earn salvation, that is completely false.  That is a false gospel.  Socialism is evil anyway because it is stealing from those that have to give to others.  The Bible condemns stealing.

 

I am not forcing anybody to do anything.  A conversation doesn't force anybody to do anything.  You choose your own path.  But you must accept the consequences of your own decisions.

Thank you.

I read this several times, and I appreciate you for taking so much time with something that is so important. 

There are a few things we disagree about: 

1. I disagree that our religious views should control our government. The US Constitution forbids it. 
2. You say that Socialism is theft. But so is capitalism, and let me give you some examples. There is a desperately poor country called The Congo. They just happen to have the world’s largest reserves of cobalt, which is in high demand for lithium ion batteries. So they are mining and selling about $6 billion a year in cobalt.  Who should own that? The guy who rode in with a bunch of armed mercenaries and declared that he owns the land, or should it be used for the benefit of all people of the Congo? Or the American company that bought the land from the President of the Congo for $50 million and then keeps the $6 billion for themself? I believe that people should be able to start businesses and prosper from them, but that does not mean I believe in fully unregulated capitalism which creates a handull of oligarchs who are free to exploit and pollute to their heart’s content, as they do in Russia. I believe it was Christ who said to “render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s,” and I agree with this. I don’t truly believe in socialism, either, which means government ownership of all businesses. I believe in the private ownership of business, but I don’t believe in oligarchy.
3. I think you know very well that there are many who exploit the gospels for their own financial gain, and a “minister” such as Joel Osteen, who has an estimated net worth of $50 million, is one such person. 

But you ask about my relationship with Christ, and my relationship with Christ stretches back to before his birth. You see, when I pray, I pray in Hebrew, which is the same language as my ancestors. I don’t know who my great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was, but I know that he prayed in Hebrew. Not just in Hebrew… I recite my prayers word-for-word the same as my ancestors, and word-for-word the same as Jesus Christ. When Jesus buried his father Joseph, he recited an ancient prayer called the Kaddish. And we know this prayer is ancient, because it is written in Aramaic, which predates Hebrew. It’s been around for at least 3,000 years.

When I buried my parents and grandparents, I recited the very same words that Christ recited when he buried his father Joseph. That bond has existed in my family for thousands of years. That bond was passed to me, and I will not break it. I have passed it to my children, and they will not break it. 

I know there is love and goodness in your heart when you ask me to break this bond, and I respect you for that, but I will keep this faith until I die. And when I die, if I have any choice in the matter, the last words to leave my lips will be in Hebrew, just as it was with Jesus Christ. 

Edited August 26, 2024 by Rebound

[User]

11 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I disagree that our religious views should control our government. The US Constitution forbids it. 

No, it doesn't. 

A religious person's entire world view is often centered on their faith, the fact that their morals, ethics, and views on the world are defined by their faith, doesn't mean they can't use those to build legal frameworks in our government. 

 

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, User said:

No, it doesn't. 

A religious person's entire world view is often centered on their faith, the fact that their morals, ethics, and views on the world are defined by their faith, doesn't mean they can't use those to build legal frameworks in our government. 

 

Not the same as control, especially controlling a woman's body, especially especially controlling a woman's body when her life is in danger. 

I find that the predominant religious "values" finding their way into politics today are no-coincidentally very very convenient if you just so happen to be a straight Christian white male.... because they have absolutely zero impact on the lives of straight white Christian males. How convenient!! 

[User]

6 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Not the same as control, especially controlling a woman's body, especially especially controlling a woman's body when her life is in danger. 

I find that the predominant religious "values" finding their way into politics today are no-coincidentally very very convenient if you just so happen to be a straight Christian white male.... because they have absolutely zero impact on the lives of straight white Christian males. How convenient!! 

Oh man, all those same people use the same religious foundations to think killing 5-year-old kids is wrong, too. 

So, we better make that lawful now. 

Seriously, are you in such a death cult worshipping the slaughter of unborn children that this is your go-to response in regard to a general discussion on religious worldviews and law?

 

[impartialobserver]

On 8/23/2024 at 6:11 PM, WestCanMan said:

I'd say that they're really not in control. No. 

Ask any ambulance driver from any major city and they'll tell you that when they bring addicts back from actual death the addicts wake up angry AF. Not just miffed, raging mad. Now they have to go find 3 more dicks to suck to get that high again.

And it's not rare to see that, it happens to all ambulance attendants multiple times per week.

Interesting how the drug user is not in control.  Addiction is common. I have seen it up close and personal.. im from the trailer park. However, they willingly put the drugs in their system at some point. If you can show me where someone puts a gun to their head and shoves it down their throats.. then I will concede. 

[User]

8 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Interesting how the drug user is not in control.  Addiction is common. I have seen it up close and personal.. im from the trailer park. However, they willingly put the drugs in their system at some point. If you can show me where someone puts a gun to their head and shoves it down their throats.. then I will concede. 

You won't even bother responding to my numerous examples and comments about how not everyone who dies is from voluntary ingestion of a dangerous and illegal drug. 

Even then... your big point is that it doesn't matter that people die from addiction because at some point they started it?

Really? 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

Interesting how the drug user is not in control.  Addiction is common. I have seen it up close and personal.. im from the trailer park. However, they willingly put the drugs in their system at some point. If you can show me where someone puts a gun to their head and shoves it down their throats.. then I will concede. 

Some people get addicted by taking other things which are laced with Fentanyl.

Some get addicted while they're still minors. 

Some die while they're minors. 

That addiction is just too powerful for most humans to overcome. 

Some die taking other things with Fentanyl in them. 

This isn't a user problem as much as it's an availability problem. 

I don't "blame" the users. Not 100%, that's for certain. Some, sure, most, no.