Why do we need mass immigration again?

[herbie]

38 minutes ago, taxme said:

Today, approx. 80% of all new immigrants are coming from non-white countries. The leftist liberal Marxists like to call it multiculturalism and diversity,

And they call out racists bastards as such too! Dirty leftists.

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, taxme said:

Okay, lets just call it a moratorium on immigration. Let's just go with an end to all immigration into Canada for at least 5 years, if not more, if needed. The Canada that i once knew is slowly disappearing fast thanks to the massive amounts of new legal and illegal non-white immigration that has been going on since old man Marxist Turdeau came to power in 1980 and who decided to slow down white immigration in favor of more non-white immigration.

Today, approx. 80% of all new immigrants are coming from non-white countries. The leftist liberal Marxists like to call it multiculturalism and diversity, but in reality, what those two words really mean is that they are part of a program and agenda and a recipe for white genocide. Believe it or not. 😇

That would do significant financial harm, we would have a shrinking population which has many negative effects, and  our systems that have traditionally allowed us to successfully bring in immigratns in the past before trudeau overwhelmed them would basically decay to nothing and when the next liberal gov't gets in and quadruples immigration they will be even slower to integrate and the problem will get worse. 

Radical knee jerk plans are almost never good.  

The proper response is reduce immigration to effective and sustainable levels (perhaps slightly under to let us catch our breath and increase production of infrastrcture to catch up, improve and reinforce out integration tools including mentorships, and refine our points requirements. 

we benefit a great deal from a manageable  stream of easy to integrate people who don't tax our infrastructure. 

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I think you and I are on the same page generally speaking that one way or another   if we're going to invite people to live here there HAS to be enough resources for them to live and integrate successfully and quickly into our society.  Whatever name we want to give it, that has to be our target, immigration cannot exceed our ability to do that. 

Yes. But I would note the date of that report was prior to Trudeau almost doubling immigration. If Immigration felt there was a growing problem then, imagine how things are now.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Yes. But I would note the date of that report was prior to Trudeau almost doubling immigration. If Immigration felt there was a growing problem then, imagine how things are now.

There's no doubt. Well the system was in need of some tweaking and perfecting before, now it's just out and outbroken. Along with just about everything else in Canada.

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry kiddo - hitler was one of your guys. 

Horseshit.

The role of the conservative elite in the Nazi rise to power

https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/the-nazi-rise-to-power/the-nazi-rise-to-power/the-role-of-the-conservative-elite/

Who does anyone think will know this better, actual victims of Hitler or some libelous bag-licker who would project his conservatism onto a rutabaga if he thought it would help his pathetic cause?

There were also lots of right-wing conservative Jews who supported Hitler politically and fought for him and worked as police and concentration camp guards. Many were hunted down and tried as war criminals.

So, whatever else Hitler was he was clearly a darling of the right. Why?

The conservative elite and the Nazi Party had a common enemy – the political left.

Edited August 26, 2024 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Horseshit.

Absolute truth. 

Sorry. I know you on the left absolutely hate the idea because for whatever reason you think it reflects badly on all socialists and also it means you have less reason to feel justified in your hatred of others.  But - he was a textbook socialist. 

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

 

The role of the conservative elite in the Nazi rise to power

https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/the-nazi-rise-to-power/the-nazi-rise-to-power/the-role-of-the-conservative-elite/

 

Your own source shows you're not correct.  Again. Lets look

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The conservative elite were the old ruling class and new business class in Weimar Germany.

That term has nothing to do with conservatism as we know it today.  Conservatives today are not the ruling elite. That would be the liberals. Conservatives today want less gov't, not more.

So right off the bat we can see you're not talking about 'conservatives'. You're talking about the old gov't model. Nothing to do with 'right wing'.  

Swing and a miss kiddo   

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

There were also lots of right-wing conservative Jews who supported Hitler politically and fought for him

Like who.  Which jews fought for hitler. Name me some jews in the german military. 

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

The conservative elite and the Nazi Party had a common enemy – the political left.

Sort of true i guess.   Both disliked the communists and the maxist-socialists.  You could call those the far political left. 

But hitler was still a socialist. 

Remember we defined socialist as somoni who believes the state should own/control the means of production?

 He had complete control over the economy, including the private sector, especially after the Minister of Economics, Hjalmar Schacht, had begun to lose favour with Hitler for opposing the growing military expenditures at the expense of civilian economic growth. During the following years, the state, under the industrial conglomerate Reichswerke, began building refineries, aluminium plants, and factories for the development of synthetic materials.^[13]

Four Year Plan - Wikipedia

Hitler was not an 'economist' and as long as industries did what they were told and followed his rules he was happy, but there was a VERY large amount of state control.   

He also had tonnes of social programs. social spending, public works etc etc. 

His model was almost identical to what we now refer to as democratic socialists, essentially a form of market socialist. 

He needed to control industry so that he could 

Sorry kid. I know those on the left try to dodge it as hard as they can but hitler was a socialist. 

 

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I know those on the left try to dodge it as hard as they can but hitler was a socialist. 

I'll take the word of Hitler's victims - people who were actually there.

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Like who.  Which jews fought for hitler. Name me some jews in the german military. 

Go look for yourself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/ellen-feldman-nazi-germany

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany

https://ukrainianjewishencounter.org/en/did-jews-help-the-nazis/

https://www.brandeis.edu/jewish-experience/history-culture/2023/february/holocaust-jewish-courts.html

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-12-24-mn-12209-story.html

 

 

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry. I know you on the left absolutely hate the idea because for whatever reason you think it reflects badly on all socialists

No, you're merely projecting again.

The only way to swing your cat and hit anything is to imagine that during Hitler's rise to power conservatives and lefties became confused as to their respective places in the scheme of things.

And then you came along and straightened everyone out?

LMAO!

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'll take the word of Hitler's victims - people who were actually there.

THey all say he controlled the economy  

Sorry kiddo, the left likes to think of them as 'far right", they were socialists. 

And lets face it  you'll take the word of anyone who confirms your bias. Otherwise you'd address the points i already made which you absolutely cannot. You know i'm right so you're desperate to try to avoid talking about it  

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, you're merely projecting again.

... is what a loser on the left would say when they can't actually refute any of the points made or facts presented   

 

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The only way to swing your cat and hit anything is to imagine that during Hitler's rise to power conservatives and lefties became confused as to their respective places in the scheme of things.

There is no place in the scheme of things. The Place changes all the time.  Hard communism was sweeping europe at the time,  Market socialism would have been "Right" of the communists, but it's still socialism. It was more of a fight about what kind of socialism you wanted, pure "socialsim" or socialism lite,  all the favour but twice the market control of regular socialism  

Hitler exercised extreme control over the market, for the stated purpose of forcing it to perform and provide out put and money for his grand social vision for the country. Controlling the market is textbook socialism and the opposite of capitalism which most right wing proponents favor, they prefer fewer gov't controls of the market. 

He had massive public works and social programs. Everything he did was for the furtherance of the grand german vision. 

Total socialist.  HE wasn't a communist or the like but he was definitely socialist and you know i'm right or you'd address the points. 

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

THey all say he controlled the economy

Because he was a dictator ya frickin' dingbat.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Total socialist. 

Like I said, a darling of the conservatives who were aghast at the thought the left might win.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Because he was a dictator ya frickin' dingbat.

So was stalin. You saying he wasn't a socialist?  

Painting yourself into a corner here kiddo ....

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Like I said, a darling of the conservatives who were aghast at the thought the left might win.

Yes, i've acknowledged you say it. I've pointed out why you say it, it's emotionally damaging for you not to say it. And i've provided ample evidence as to why it's wrong. The left says a lot of things that are factually inaccurate but emotionally necessary for them. Like "There's no biological difference between men and women", that was going around for quite a while  

Did you want to come at it from a different direction? Often when the left doesnt' like something that's true they just change the definition, did you want to come up with a different definition of socialism that doesn't involve exercising very strict control over the economy for the purposes of societal objectives?  You could try calling it "not quite capitalism capitalism" or something. Or maybe capitalist societyism? Conservative socialism? LOL  the possibilities are endless   

[eyeball]

David Frum said it best, conservatives give up on democracy and will climb into bed with anything when they can't get their way.

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

So was stalin. You saying he wasn't a socialist?

So was Pinochet. You saying he was a lefty too?

[taxme]

On 8/25/2024 at 3:54 PM, CdnFox said:

That would do significant financial harm, we would have a shrinking population which has many negative effects, and  our systems that have traditionally allowed us to successfully bring in immigratns in the past before trudeau overwhelmed them would basically decay to nothing and when the next liberal gov't gets in and quadruples immigration they will be even slower to integrate and the problem will get worse. 

Radical knee jerk plans are almost never good.  

The proper response is reduce immigration to effective and sustainable levels (perhaps slightly under to let us catch our breath and increase production of infrastrcture to catch up, improve and reinforce out integration tools including mentorships, and refine our points requirements. 

we benefit a great deal from a manageable  stream of easy to integrate people who don't tax our infrastructure. 

The problem that i have with our massive immigration numbers, which are way too high, is that they are not allowing as many people from what use to be our main source of immigrants which would normally come from Britain or European countries. I have great issues with that problem and it annoys me. I really do feel that if the current trends of immigrants coming from non-white countries continues, we white folk will soon become a minority in our own white homeland. This must not be allowed to happen. Just my opinion. 😇

[CDN1]

On 8/25/2024 at 5:41 PM, herbie said:

And they call out racists bastards as such too! Dirty leftists.

Anti-White racists calling out racism.

[taxme]

On 8/25/2024 at 8:28 PM, eyeball said:

Horseshit.

The role of the conservative elite in the Nazi rise to power

https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/the-nazi-rise-to-power/the-nazi-rise-to-power/the-role-of-the-conservative-elite/

Who does anyone think will know this better, actual victims of Hitler or some libelous bag-licker who would project his conservatism onto a rutabaga if he thought it would help his pathetic cause?

There were also lots of right-wing conservative Jews who supported Hitler politically and fought for him and worked as police and concentration camp guards. Many were hunted down and tried as war criminals.

So, whatever else Hitler was he was clearly a darling of the right. Why?

The conservative elite and the Nazi Party had a common enemy – the political left.

I believe that today it is the Marxist liberal Jewish Zionists that we should all be concerned about. Those mentioned were always behind the push for massive 3rd world immigration into North America and Europe, plus were able to implement multiculturalism and diversity. Hitler pretty much knew as to what Germany's problem and enemy was and he tried to put an end to it. For all conservatives, the Marxist liberals are enemy #1. Just my opinion. 

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, taxme said:

For all conservatives, the Marxist liberals are enemy #1. Just my opinion. 

I don't think all conservatives believe that but it is why so many of you are so wiling to lick Hitler's bag.

[herbie]

42 minutes ago, CDN1 said:

Anti-White racists calling out racism.

Getting a bit sick of the usual racists claiming the person that called them out was the racist.

F*cking babies argue back, and too F*cking stupid to even realize it.  Applaud the m0ron and show that you're one of them too!

 

[herbie]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I don't think all conservatives believe that but it is why so many of you are so wiling to lick Hitler's bag.

You're responding to someone who is not a conservative as if he was one.
Mulroney, Churchill and Thatcher were conservatives. Franco, Pinochet and Mussolini were not. Don't give credibility to their bullshit game.

[CDN1]

14 minutes ago, herbie said:

Getting a bit sick of the usual racists claiming the person that called them out was the racist.

F*cking babies argue back, and too F*cking stupid to even realize it.  Applaud the m0ron and show that you're one of them too!

 

White man bad is leftist mantra. I wasn't calling you a racist, but you sure do simp for them a lot.

 You're either a frog in a pot or a total cuck. Which is it?

 

 

Edited August 28, 2024 by CDN1

[Five of swords]

6 minutes ago, herbie said:

You're responding to someone who is not a conservative as if he was one.
Mulroney, Churchill and Thatcher were conservatives. Franco, Pinochet and Mussolini were not. Don't give credibility to their bullshit game.

Why does it matter who a conservative is?

 

Here's all you need to know about Churchill. The British empire went from the greatest empire in human history to an irrelevant petty vassal of the usa under his leadership. Was he also a conservative? Who gives a crap!

[herbie]

Lets spew every buzzword of the extremist vocabulary thinking it demonstrates intelligence.

[herbie]

1 minute ago, Five of swords said:

Here's all you need to know about Churchill. The British empire went from the greatest empire in human history to an irrelevant petty vassal of the usa under his leadership

Obviously someone who blames Trudeau when his dough doesn't rise and Biden for sunspots and earthquakes..

[Five of swords]

3 minutes ago, herbie said:

Obviously someone who blames Trudeau when his dough doesn't rise and Biden for sunspots and earthquakes..

I might respect Joe if I thought he causes earthquakes