Citizens and politicians of conscience can restore values and meaning to democratic politics

[CouchPotato]

Just now, myata said:

No: automatic reflection may work in JK-argumentation but hardly in a meaningful discussion of serious issues. When someone praises totalitarian and fascist aggressor thugs; does it repeatedly as a pattern; it's not any "insinuation" but an objective fact, the reality.

And there you go. Completely oblivious.

[myata]

1 minute ago, CouchPotato said:

Completely oblivious.

Of course it is. If unable to admit facts what can one discuss, meaningfully? Fairies? Dreams and miracles?

[CouchPotato]

26 minutes ago, myata said:

Of course it is. If unable to admit facts what can one discuss, meaningfully? Fairies? Dreams and miracles?

Oblivious not obvious.

Anyways.... In summation, I think there are two key points I can take away from all this.

1. People on either side should stop demonizing the other side.

2. Trump and those who support him (half of America) are fascists and thugs.

[myata]

More facts:

Trump: "It'll be fixed. You won't have to vote any more".

"You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote any more, my beautiful Christians,”

What is not known here? Where are surprises? In his own words.

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, myata said:

Of course it is. If unable to admit facts what can one discuss, meaningfully? Fairies? Dreams and miracles?

You can't even string a sentence together coherently and you're going to talk about fixing democracy?

With you that'd  be like trying to unscramble an egg using a blender. 

[CouchPotato]

36 minutes ago, myata said:

More facts:

Trump: "It'll be fixed. You won't have to vote any more".

"You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote any more, my beautiful Christians,”

What is not known here? Where are surprises? In his own words.

If you listened to his speech, you would know that Trump was talking about the fact that many Christians prefer not to vote and stay out of politics. He urged them to get off their feet and vote this time because the issues are so important. Then, they can go back to not voting if they prefer.

But see, you just prove my point here yet again. Claiming that Trump is going to get rid of the vote. You buy all the propaganda from your side. It's not much different from the "bloodbath" quote. The media clearly lied about it.

Edited July 27, 2024 by CouchPotato

[CdnFox]

Just now, CouchPotato said:

If you listened to his speech, you would know that Trump was talking about the fact that many Christians prefer not to vote and stay out of politics. He urged them to get off their feet and vote this time because the issues are so important. Then, they can go back to not voting if they prefer.

But see, you just prove my point here yet again. Claiming that Trump is going to get rid of the vote. You buy all the propaganda from your side.

Plus he's going to cause 'blood in the streets' if he doesn't win (was talking about biden and the auto industry)

Plus he's going to be a TYRANT  (for one day he said but they ignore that)

[User]

2 hours ago, myata said:

Of course it is. If unable to admit facts what can one discuss, meaningfully? Fairies? Dreams and miracles?

When you can apply this to yourself, you can start preaching to others about it. 

 

[myata]

See no evil. Even if / when it's right in your eyes: "You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine."

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, myata said:

See no evil. Even if / when it's right in your eyes: "You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine."

If you can't play nice with it, we're going to take that mirror away

[myata]

Look at the excitement of the deadbrain bunch. They really don't like to be exposed for what they are. But that's what they are, open and clear. In their own words.

[CouchPotato]

8 minutes ago, myata said:

See no evil. Even if / when it's right in your eyes: "You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine."

Once again, myata, you see nothing you don't want to see. The media gave you a Trump quote out of context and told you what it meant. People explain it to you, but you close your eyes. He didn't say he was getting rid of the vote. I had that entire speech on last night while I was doing other things. It was a major theme of his speech that Christians need to get out and vote more. They don't like to vote, but they have to do it this one time because it's very important. Then, you won't have to once the important issues are fixed --- not "you won't be able to."

There, I explained it twice for you. You will just ignore it, though, and keep saying "we knew, we knew, it was so obvious." You probably still think that Trump talking about a bloodbath in the auto industry means he was threatening a bloodbath. You are either completely dishonest or deliberately deluding yourself.

This is why your call to bury the hatchet and stop demonizing each other is so hollow. You can't do it for five minutes. You claim things like Trump is going to get rid of voting. I am pretty sure you mentioned the bloodbath in another thread. You can't go five minutes without making sensational claims about your political opposition. You can't even do it in a thread you started about how we shouldn't make sensational claims about our political opposition.

Edited July 27, 2024 by CouchPotato

[User]

8 minutes ago, myata said:

See no evil. Even if / when it's right in your eyes: "You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine."

The problem is not in our ability to see evil... it is clear that you see evil where none exists. 

[myata]

11 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

You don't like to vote, but you have to do it this one time because it's very important

I think it's you trying hardest and desperately to not see what's staring right into your eyes. Not once he said "you won't have to vote anymore". That word, it means something, in the common language. Why would any honest politician say something like that?

Either these are random ramblings and if so, it certainly needs to be noted by the public. Or something more sinister he is trying to allude. And in any case, a power-hungry liar desperate to get to the power by any means. How can one not see it?

Edited July 27, 2024 by myata

[myata]

In any case, combined with the admiration for "tough" dictator thugs he demonstrated on countless occasions these cannot be dismissed as innocent slips of the tongue or out-of-context quotes. There are serious and real, factual indications that he may think that he could "fix" democracy indefinitely. The public has seen it and must be fully capable to make an informed responsible judgement.

[CouchPotato]

24 minutes ago, myata said:

I think it's you trying hardest and desperately to not see what's staring right into your eyes. Not once he said "you won't have to vote anymore".

No. If you listen to the speech, it's pretty clear what he was talking about. You are the one desperately stretching the limits of reality here, by claiming that he is saying he is going to get rid of the vote.

Once again, he was talking about how many Christians choose not to vote. He was saying you have to get out and vote this time. Then, you won't have to. You can go back to staying out of politics if you want. But you really have to get out and vote this time.

That is the realistic interpretation because that is what he was talking about in his speech. To you the realistic interpretation is the most sensational one. You talk about being objective, but you parrot the most ridiculous propaganda from the media.

 

Edited July 27, 2024 by CouchPotato

[User]

27 minutes ago, myata said:

How can one not see it?

Oh, we see the irrational fear-mongering you are engaged in. 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, User said:

Oh, we see the irrational fear-mongering you are engaged in. 

might not be irrational. We don't know what the voices told him

Edited July 27, 2024 by CdnFox

[CouchPotato]

2 hours ago, myata said:

See no evil. Even if / when it's right in your eyes: "You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine."

 

See what you are doing here. First you quoted Trump without the entire context of his speech. Look, see what he said now. Then, people give you the context and explain it to you. But you just ignore all that and basically say, "Yeah but if I remove all that context again, see what he says! Look. See what he says. If we ignore what he meant, it's plain as day that he wants to stop people from voting." It's the same thing with "bloodbath". There is never any counterpoint with you. You just hammer away on the original argument. It's an endless circle.

Edited July 27, 2024 by CouchPotato

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, myata said:

See no evil. Even if / when it's right in your eyes: "You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine."

And why is that a bad idea? The government is a cesspool...everyone knows it. It needs "fixing".

[myata]

On 7/27/2024 at 6:16 PM, CouchPotato said:

Then, people give you the context and explain it to you.

You are lying again and I'm getting tired. What context explains "don't have to vote again"? Why wouldn't one vote, again? What could be cause?

This is what Putin is saying. This is Maduro showing, "no need to vote, it will be fixed". You don't see it and ready to accept any impossible quasi "explanation" from your idol lying mouth after he spilled more of what he thinks and just couldn't hold it back? OK: that speaks about you, hardly the objective reality. But the people who can still see and think have the right to see it for what it is, not what it's trying to lie.

Edited July 29, 2024 by myata

[CouchPotato]

2 hours ago, myata said:

You are lying again and I'm getting tired. What context explains "don't have to vote again"? Why wouldn't one vote, again? What could be cause?

I gave you the context which explains it. You just ignored it.

Even if you ignore the context, "don't have to" is vastly different from "won't be able to". He doesn't say "one wouldn't vote again". He said to a group of people who often do not like to vote that they have to do it this time and they they "won't have to."

myata, I know you don't like using logic, but could you try just this one time. Just this once. You won't have to do it again.

Edited July 29, 2024 by CouchPotato

[Five of swords]

2 hours ago, myata said:

You are lying again and I'm getting tired. What context explains "don't have to vote again"? Why wouldn't one vote, again? What could be cause?

This is what Putin is saying. This is Maduro showing, "no need to vote, it will be fixed". You don't see it and ready to accept any impossible quasi "explanation" from your idol lying mouth after he spilled more of what he thinks and just couldn't hold it back? OK: that speaks about you, hardly the objective reality. But the people who can still see and think have the right to see it for what it is, not what it's trying to lie.

Trump was not even able to arrest rioters in 2020. What on earth makes you think he would consider abolishing the vote? Lol.

[User]

3 hours ago, myata said:

You are lying again and I'm getting tired. What context explains "don't have to vote again"? Why wouldn't one vote, again? What could be cause?

That the issues they are concerned with have been fixed, so there is no need. It is hyperbole. 

You are the one who has to read into the things that were not said to draw the absurd fear-mongering conclusions you are making. 

How exactly is it that Trump would quite literally ensure they would never have to vote again as you are implying he would somehow be ruler for life? How? That makes no sense. 

[myata]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

What on earth makes you think he would consider abolishing the vote?

His repeatedly announced admiration for every single "tough" thug in the world.

Very factual attempts to overturn a democratic election, by sheer invention of the "fraud" that never happened in the reality.

How can this not be a valid and very factual context to his ramblings?