What might "retribution" actually mean in the event of a 2nd Trump administration?

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Most of the world’s democracies are republics and most of the world’s republics are democracies. Constitutional monarchy democracies like Canada and UK are in the minority.  A country can be both a democracy and a republic. 

No, most of the world's democracies run on a variant of the Westminster system. Certainly among the first world nations. 

And no, most of the republics aren't democracies.  Of course  it's a little hard to say, as noted china consideres itself a democracy but we wouldn't. 

You just make shit up and run with it.  Like - didn't you think i'd either know or look?

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Constitutional democracy and representative democracy are both forms of democracy.

Really.  Define what a 'democracy'  is then.  

virtually every expert out there agrees that they are not democracies in the actual meaning of the word, which would mean the people rule by popular vote.  The people do NOT rule by popular vote in a constitutional democracy.

You need to listen more. 

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, sharkman said:

How can you believe that the US is a democracy?  It’s not.  Look it up.  
 

Enjoy the next 5 months.

Do you understand the meaning of Constitutional Democratic Republic?

It means the representatives are chosen democratically. And that is much truer today than it was at the founding.

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you understand the meaning of Constitutional Democratic Republic?

It means the representatives are chosen democratically. And that is much truer today than it was at the founding.

Yes. It means that the rule of the country is not democratic.  The leadership is selected democratically but the country is not run by democracy. 

So calling it a democracy is a little inaccurate.  But it's common and most people know what is meant. Except you apparently. 

[User]

20 hours ago, Hodad said:

And people like you are how we *know* that Trump and the MAGA turds are a threat to democracy. You're not even trying to hide it anymore.

I don't think I was here when the whole remove Trump from the ballot movement was in full swing. Were you cheering that on?

Tell us more about which party is a threat to democracy, when it was the Democrats literally trying an end-around on removing Trump from the ballot. 

 

[User]

15 hours ago, Hodad said:

And we have seen clearly the many, many ways that he tried to abuse his power as President. You can't deny that they happened. You can only say that you don't mind corrupt, authoritarian government. 

Oh... like Biden brags about doing with Student Loan forgiveness?

Let me guess, you like that kind of abuse of power though. 

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, User said:

I don't think I was here when the whole remove Trump from the ballot movement was in full swing. Were you cheering that on?

Yup. 

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Tell us more about which party is a threat to democracy, when it was the Democrats literally trying an end-around on removing Trump from the ballot. 

Then all the court cases to drain him dry which everyone knew was political. Hell polling even showed the DEM supporters thought it was political, they just thought it was ok to go after political opponents using the courts if its' trump. 

but we're seeing here is the usual left-wing demanding that everything's fine when it works in their favor and screaming outrage when it doesn't. And hodad and many others were told at the time if you support this kind of nonsense about taking people off of the ballot then you will have no right to biatch when republicans turn around and do similar things to your guys

Nobody's going to be interested in "But you said it was bad before". Yeah, we did. You chose not to listen and decided this is the way things are going to be. You don't get to set those rules and then complain about them later. We asked you not to and you did anyway so now you're going to have to live with the consequences.

[CouchPotato]

I think Trump will round up 1000s of people like Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats, Rachel Maddow and other media talking heads, antifa members, etc.

Then he will have them step forward one by one. Guards will hold them down on the ground. Then, Trump will grab their hands and make themselves slap their own faces and say something like, "Why you hittin' yourself, Adam Schiff? Why you hittin' yourself?"

This will all be televised live on Trump State TV, the only channel Americans will be allowed to watch from now on.

Edited July 29, 2024 by CouchPotato

[User]

I forgot this was yet another thread the liberals ran away from. 

[eyeball]

On 7/18/2024 at 12:14 PM, User said:

They have nothing to worry about if they are innocent... 

Innocent of what?

[eyeball]

On 7/18/2024 at 12:48 PM, Nationalist said:

Enjoy the election sweetie...

Sounds sweeter for Harris today according to the polls.

What's plan B when Trump loses this time?

[User]

30 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Innocent of what?

Whatever charges the DOJ can drag them through defending against. 

[Five of swords]

On 7/18/2024 at 2:27 PM, Hodad said:

Happened to listen today to an episode of This American Life from June 7. It's a very interesting examination of what Trump might mean when he threatens retribution, how he views views presidential powers, as well as how that possibility is affecting people who might be likely targets of that retribution. Interviewees include Stephanie Grisham, Alex Vindman and others who committed the sin of "crossing" Trump in some way. Also interviewed are MAGA enthusiasts who aren't at all keen on the idea of government powers being used to settle personal grudges. 

Come Retribution  Obviously, it's much better to listen and hear these people in their own voices, but there is also a transcript.

 

 

 

Trump has never managed to cause any incovenience to any of his opponents so I woukd assume that what he means by 'retribution' is absolutely nothing. Maybe he would make Kamala Harris the secretary of state? That sounds typical.

[CdnFox]

On 7/29/2024 at 2:24 PM, CouchPotato said:

I think Trump will round up 1000s of people like Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats, Rachel Maddow and other media talking heads, antifa members, etc.

Then he will have them step forward one by one. Guards will hold them down on the ground. Then, Trump will grab their hands and make themselves slap their own faces and say something like, "Why you hittin' yourself, Adam Schiff? Why you hittin' yourself?"

This will all be televised live on Trump State TV, the only channel Americans will be allowed to watch from now on.

As if there wasn't already a good reason to vote for him..... 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, User said:

Whatever charges the DOJ can drag them through defending against. 

I'm sure it'll be something of similar weight and practicality as the charges they brought against trump, like felony failure to return a library book or cruelty to vegetables or something.

But remember  as long as the DoJ believes the charges are true hard enough .....

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, User said:

Whatever charges the DOJ can drag them through defending against. 

Wouldn't it be more fun and efficient to just disappear them?

Apparently it'll be the last time America has to vote so how's it going to blowback on you?

[CouchPotato]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Wouldn't it be more fun and efficient to just disappear them?

Apparently it'll be the last time America has to vote so how's it going to blowback on you?

I watched that whole speech. He was talking to a group of Christians, and he said that they don't vote enough. He told them they had to get and vote this time, even though some of them prefer not to. Then, they won't have to. 

I don't expect Trump will weaponize the justice system the way Democrats have.

[Hodad]

20 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

I watched that whole speech. He was talking to a group of Christians, and he said that they don't vote enough. He told them they had to get and vote this time, even though some of them prefer not to. Then, they won't have to. 

I don't expect Trump will weaponize the justice system the way Democrats have.

Why do you expect that? He's tried multiple times and was stopped by the adults in the room. His plan for term two is to exclude people who might tell him "no." So who will be there to stop him? 

And this notion that Democrats have "weaponized" the justice system is absurd. His behavior was beyond the pale, totally unprecedented and unacceptable--and yes, illegal. I never thought I'd see the day when any significant portion of Americans would be willing to toss out democracy--end the American experiment for the sake of one vile man--but somehow Republicans have gone there. 

There are few people who more deserve to be held accountable for their crimes than Trump. It's not weaponization, just basic justice. 

Edited July 31, 2024 by Hodad

[User]

31 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Wouldn't it be more fun and efficient to just disappear them?

Apparently it'll be the last time America has to vote so how's it going to blowback on you?

How is that more fun?

No, we want to see them drug out of their homes by FBI SWAT Teams, fully armed in the morning in front of their family. Then I want to see their mug shots, and to see them suffer through hopefully years of legal battles bankrupting them in attorney fees. 

But don't worry, if they are innocent, it will all be fine in the end for them. 

[User]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Why do you expect that? He's tried multiple times and was stopped by the adults in the room. His plan for term two is to exclude people who might tell him "no." So who will be there to stop him? 

Hopefully, he will have the right people in place, like Merrick Garland. They will do it for him; he won't need to say anything. They will understand the expectations. 

7 minutes ago, Hodad said:

And this notion that Democrats have "weaponized" the justice system is absurd.

And when leftist Democrats are drug out of their homes in the morning in front of their families and put through years of legal battles to defend themselves, that won't be weaponizing the justice system either. 

 

 

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, User said:

But don't worry, if they are innocent, it will all be fine in the end for them. 

Yup, by then it'll be their turn.

Biden should think about using his last few months to test out the presidential immunity thingy.

[User]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yup, by then it'll be their turn.

Biden should think about using his last few months to test out the presidential immunity thingy.

Makes perfect sense really. To protect democracy, he must first destroy it himself. 

That is what the Democrats cheered on when they were trying to remove Trump from the ballot. 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sounds sweeter for Harris today according to the polls.

What's plan B when Trump loses this time?

No plan B. Just mail-in millions, on voting day more millions and watch the democrats like a hawk.

Kamala got her little bounce. Now it's subsiding and people hear her talk...which is bad for Kamala because...

She's a b1tch and it shows.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Wouldn't it be more fun and efficient to just disappear them?

Apparently it'll be the last time America has to vote so how's it going to blowback on you?

Why would you want it to end quickly for them when you can lock them up for life for felony jaywalking?