We have politicians and people who want rename Canadian places and give FN control over crown land

[blackbird]

"Indigenous re-naming plan for B.C.’s Sunshine Coast draws criticism from residents"

"Tensions are rising on B.C.’s Sunshine Coast over a plan to rename a number of communities with Indigenous names.

The changes would be implemented in communities in the traditional territory of the Sechelt (shíshálh) Nation, which stretches from Roberts Creek to Lang Bay.

Those changes were agreed to in the 2019 Foundation Agreement between the nation and the provincial government which pledged to “identify and recommend geographical features and locations” along with road signs with shíshálh Nation place names within five years.

But residents of those communities say they’ve never been consulted about the change.

One of the communities facing a potential change is Madeira Park, which would be renamed salalus.

“It’s a very big deal,” said Peter Robson, president of the Pender Harbour and Area Residents Association."

Indigenous re-naming plan for B.C.’s Sunshine Coast draws criticism from residents | Globalnews.ca.

B.C. plans to 'reconcile' by giving First Nations veto on land use"

We live in strange times. A new generation of political leaders seems determined to cripple their own societies. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, of course, comes to mind. But in Canada, he is not alone. In British Columbia, NDP Premier David Eby is preparing to bring his province to its knees.

The B.C. government plans to share management of Crown land with First Nations. The scheme will apply not to limited sections of public land here and there, but across the province. The government quietly opened public consultations on the proposal last week. According to the scant materials, the government will amend the B.C. Land Act to incorporate agreements with Indigenous governing bodies.

These agreements will empower B.C.’s hundreds of First Nations to make joint decisions with the minister responsible for the Land Act, the main law under which the provincial government grants leases, licences, permits and rights-of-way over Crown land. That means that First Nations will have a veto over how most of B.C. is used. Joint management can be expected to apply to mining, hydro projects, farming, forestry, docks and communication towers, just to start. Activities at the heart of B.C.’s economy will be at risk."

B.C. plans to 'reconcile' by giving First Nations veto on land use | Fraser Institute

[Guest]

I don't mind renaming things if it makes logical sense.

Changing the name and logo of the Chicago Blackhawks iconic jersey  makes absolutely no logical sense.

The Redskins? Okay, you got me there. I wouldn't protest such a move. That name should have never made the cut.

But for the sake of virtue signaling?

People need to understand that renaming something like St Catherine boulevard in Montreal, would mean hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions worth of changes.

IE street signs, Google listings, businesses requiring to update all their mailing info.

Again, if its logical, I am 100% okay with it. To make it more inclusive, in a city that celebrates its diversity quite proudly, makes no sense.

But if your reasoning for changing the street I live on, to something more "reconciliation friendly". Just because. Then I would protest, simply because I would see it as tax payer dollars going to waste, to pacify a community that is excluded from paying them for a significant portion. 

Yes. I said it. 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

"Indigenous re-naming plan for B.C.’s Sunshine Coast draws criticism from residents"

.....

the heart of B.C.’s economy will be at risk."

B.C. plans to 'reconcile' by giving First Nations veto on land use | Fraser Institute

Did this just come to your attention??

Just north of Gatineau in Quebec was/is Maniwaki. The town is also Kitgan Zibi.

There are many areas in many regions that have been ceded back to the indigenous (by the feds or provinces) and the towns and villages on this land have or can change names as it is their territory.

We change road names all the time. We change school names all the time.. We change building names all the time.

There are  name changes to towns, villages, cities and even countries all over the world.

So, are you saying that, in Canada,  once named, it has to remain that in perpetuity?

[ironstone]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

So, are you saying that, in Canada,  once named, it has to remain that in perpetuity?

Would that also apply to places with 'indigenous' names? Can we change them as we see fit?

[ExFlyer]

23 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Would that also apply to places with 'indigenous' names? Can we change them as we see fit?

Not sure what you are trying to imply?

Considering the land was ceded to the indigenous, they can do and names as the see fit or wish.

Just as you can name your house whatever you wish on your property.

I am far from pro indigenous but, if we give, it is theirs. My true wish is that we stop giving but when we do we stop paying anyone and anything..

Oh and blackturd is wrong, it is not politicians that "want to rename" It is the owners of the land and property, the indigenous. Politicians have nothing to do with naming. He likes to blame Trudeau but Harper gave more back to the indians that Trudeau has. The rest has been provincial governments of all parties.

Edited July 16, 2024 by ExFlyer

[blackbird]

Just to add to all this renaming and giving natives vetoes over land use, we are paying billions to supply housing and infrastructure in native villages.  Why should they get a trade or education and support themselves?  White man must provide everything and then some. 

The BC NDP government had to be the first province to sign UNDRIP.

"UNDRIP is the acronym for the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People123. It is a global agreement that protects the rights of Indigenous people to their language, culture, self-determination and traditional lands."

The government signing this technically hands B.C. back to FNs and the other 95% of the population (non-natives) are out of luck.  We have no rights according to the NDP.  In addition it could be committing B.C. to pay FNs billions in endless compensation for settling in B.C.

Incidentally there is a FN campground on the west coast that is run in an extreme capitalistic manner.  They can't tell you the price per night for the next week for a campsite because the price changes depending on the demand.  The last I heard they were charging $242 dollars for a two night minimum.  This is just a bare campsite perhaps with a picnic table.   It would be interesting to know if the BC NDP gave them this land to do this or how they acquired it.

Edited July 16, 2024 by blackbird

[ExFlyer]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Just to add to all this renaming and giving natives vetoes over land use, we are paying billions to supply housing and infrastructure in native villages.  Why should they get a trade or education and support themselves?  White man must provide everything and then some. 

The BC NDP government had to be the first province to sign UNDRIP.

"UNDRIP is the acronym for the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People123. It is a global agreement that protects the rights of Indigenous people to their language, culture, self-determination and traditional lands."

The government signing this technically hands B.C. back to FNs and the other 95% of the population (non-natives) are out of luck.  We have no rights according to the NDP.  In addition it could be committing B.C. to pay FNs billions in endless compensation for settling in B.C.

Point??

Got something against indigenous???

Not very christian of you considering you bible thumpers have been trying to convert them as well as torture and abuse them in residential schools

[Guest]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

So, are you saying that, in Canada,  once named, it has to remain that in perpetuity?

No, but consulting all of those involved would be nice. Especially those who currently live there.

"Yeah, but its not your land".

Okay, why don't I give my car and house away. I paid for it lawfully, as Canadian tax payers pay for their taxes in the same way.

To me, it's just of poor practice if all involved aren't well, involved in such changes.

It just creates divide, ironically while pursuing reconciliation.

[Zeitgeist]

All this was predicted and is entirely the result of DEI indoctrination.  Canadians are naive.  They need to understand that giving into the demands of special interest groups only leads to more demands.  It’s not about fairness either.  Ask the thousands of slaves the Northwest Coast natives imported from the South.  Oh wait they’re all dead.  This will never end.  These groups have free land and don’t pay taxes, yet taxpayers pay for their health, education, and much infrastructure.  Many of the West Coast tribes are rolling in resources and cash. British Columbians are silly.  

Edited July 16, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Michael Hardner]

10 hours ago, blackbird said:

. In British Columbia, NDP Premier David Eby is preparing to bring his province to its knees.

I can completely understand why residents are upset.  But I'm scratching my head over some things here.

Eby wasn't PM of BC when this was signed and agreed to, Christy Clark was.

Why didn't the people make a fuss then?

Isn't it a huge exaggeration to say that the province is brought to its knees?

 

[blackbird]

15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Eby wasn't PM of BC when this was signed and agreed to, Christy Clark was.

Not sure what you are referring to.  We're talking about recent changes to legislation brought in by Premier Eby and the BC NDP to give natives a veto over use of crown land.

[blackbird]

27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Eby wasn't PM of BC when this was signed and agreed to, Christy Clark was.

I don't know what you are talking about.  The proposal to give natives a veto is a present plan by the present BC NDP government under Premier David Eby.  

It doesn't matter what Christie Clark said or did.  That was long ago.  What matters is what the current NDP government is planning to do, particularly if they win the election in October this year.

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According to the scant materials, the government will amend the B.C. Land Act to incorporate agreements with Indigenous governing bodies.

These agreements will empower B.C.’s hundreds of First Nations to make joint decisions with the minister responsible for the Land Act, the main law under which the provincial government grants leases, licences, permits and rights-of-way over Crown land. That means that First Nations will have a veto over how most of B.C. is used. Joint management can be expected to apply to mining, hydro projects, farming, forestry, docks and communication towers, just to start. Activities at the heart of B.C.’s economy will be at risk."

B.C. plans to 'reconcile' by giving First Nations veto on land use | Fraser Institute

Seems like you struggle with the reality of what is happening now and are obsessed with trying to contradict every posting I make.

Edited July 16, 2024 by blackbird

[eyeball]

47 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It doesn't matter what Christie Clark said or did.  That was long ago.  What matters is what the current NDP government is planning to do, particularly if they win the election in October this year.

Oh well if that's case it'll be entirely John Rustad and the BC Conservative Party's fault if they win and don't repeal everything and put natives back in their place.

What do you think the chances of that happening are?

Edited July 16, 2024 by eyeball

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Not sure what you are referring to.  We're talking about recent changes to legislation brought in by Premier Eby and the BC NDP to give natives a veto over use of crown land.

The agreement you mentioned was made 2019?

[blackbird]

20 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

The agreement you mentioned was made 2019?

What matters is the fact the present BC NDP wants to give veto power for land use over most of the crown land to FNs.

[ExFlyer]

14 hours ago, blackbird said:

What matters is the fact the present BC NDP wants to give veto power for land use over most of the crown land to FNs.

Bottom line, like it or not, their land, their town, their buildings, their house and they will call them as they want.

Ain't a damn thing you can do about it. We treated them like shit from way back when and now they are gettin back at ya LOL