How decriminalisation made Vancouver the fentanyl capital of the world

[CdnFox]

How decriminalisation made Vancouver the fentanyl capital of the world (telegraph.co.uk)

Vancouver once topped the charts of the world’s “most desirable places to live”. Its reputation is that of a city which provides the perfect balance – a metropolis “perched on the edge of nature” combining “outdoor recreation and a great cultural diversity”, as one local website puts it.

But a landmark experiment to decriminalise the possession of certain drugs in public – including fentanyl, heroin, cocaine, methamphetamines, and ecstasy – has allowed an opioid crisis to take hold that surpasses even the epidemic in the United States.

In April, David Eby, British Columbia’s premier announced that halfway into the three-year trial, the province would recriminalise drug use in public spaces.

With a severe backlash from police, politicians, and the public showing no sign of abating, Mr Eby is now under pressure to scrap the pilot scheme altogether.

 

 

Great -  the politically Woke have found a new way to embarrass us internationally.  Now people around the world are looking at us in contempt, and meanwhile the problem has gotten much worse. 

What a disaster 

[Legato]

Most sane people can see what's happening. Yet there are those who keep on pushing this stupidity.

Then there are those whom constantly want someone to define woke. 

[CdnFox]

56 minutes ago, Legato said:

Most sane people can see what's happening. Yet there are those who keep on pushing this stupidity.

Then there are those whom constantly want someone to define woke. 

That is a pretty good example of woke - just about anybody if they're being rational would realize that decriminalization for that kind of addictive drug doesn't work. It's like trying to keep your husband from chasing women by buying him hookers.  

 but - there is a group of those on the left who are so emotionally invested in the idea that they set aside common sense and conduct these risky social experiments thinking that somehow up will turn out to be down and it doesn't. And society pays the price. 

That's woke.  

[herbie]

4 hours ago, Legato said:

Then there are those whom constantly want someone to define woke. 

Yes, the proud to be blockheads that think any attempt at solutions to problems are "woke".

It comes from China. Vancouver is THE West Coast port of Canada.
DUHHHHH
Not even proposing tighter security at the ports, just once again claiming the victims are the cause and anyone trying to help them is "woke". The f^cking meaningless buzzword of the dimwitted.

And 'decriminalization' is the cause, eh? People weren't dying in record numbers before that? Gee the one step made to stop tying up the courts hasn't fully solved the drug problem after a whole year....

Edited July 9, 2024 by herbie

[Legato]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Yes, the proud to be blockheads that think any attempt at solutions to problems are "woke".

It comes from China. Vancouver is THE West Coast port of Canada.
DUHHHHH
Not even proposing tighter security at the ports, just once again claiming the victims are the cause and anyone trying to help them is "woke". The f^cking meaningless buzzword of the dimwitted.

And 'decriminalization' is the cause, eh? People weren't dying in record numbers before that? Gee the one step made to stop tying up the courts hasn't fully solved the drug problem after a whole year....

I don't speak gibberish, translation please.

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, Legato said:

I don't speak gibberish, translation please.

What the hell did you do to him? Leftie brain go Bbbrrzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt.

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

In April, David Eby, British Columbia’s premier announced that halfway into the three-year trial, the province would recriminalise drug use in public spaces.

With a severe backlash from police, politicians, and the public showing no sign of abating, Mr Eby is now under pressure to scrap the pilot scheme altogether

If you've been down Hastings street lately it's apocalyptic. There are zombied-out druggies everywhere: lying on the sidewalk, hunched over and twitching, selling off dirty clothes, shambling out into traffic... You'd never know how many dead people you just drove by. 

Every one of them is someone's kid, someone's sibling, father, mother, etc. So sad.

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

I don't speak gibberish, translation please.

Pretty obvious you can't read English. Ya need posts in Braille? Or you catching up to Foxy?

DUH what's that big red sign at the corner that says S-T-O-P I don't get it... nobody can understand it...

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Pretty obvious you can't read English. Ya need posts in Braille? Or you catching up to Foxy?

DUH what's that big red sign at the corner that says S-T-O-P I don't get it... nobody can understand it...

 

Did myata hack your account, or did they have a sale on nyquil again?

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, herbie said:

Pretty obvious you can't read English. Ya need posts in Braille? Or you catching up to Foxy?

DUH what's that big red sign at the corner that says S-T-O-P I don't get it... nobody can understand it...

 

I agree with Legato.

Your post is a jumble of something, but not sure what. There is no beginning, middle or end, just a bunch of gibberish with no point.

As for Vancouver being the drug (pick one, any one)capital, 

I grew up in Vancouver and it was always a drug haven. If East Hastings is apocalyptical now, I dare say that in the 60's it was equally as apocalyptical. That area was always a drug haven.

Decriminalizing drugs and safe injection sites have just made it worse. Lets not treat, lest just give them free drugs and safe places to take them...wow, that will surely cut into the problem LOL.  Allowing drug use with no consequence is why we have this problem and getting worse. Why is anyone surprised at what has transpired? BC is just the foist to recognize decriminalization has only made the drug problem worse.

[impartialobserver]

on the U.S side.. West Virginia leads the way in fentanyl use and overdoses. It used to lead the way in oxycontin use and deaths but they put the brakes on that and so the users replaced it with fentanyl. There is no data that says this explicitly but my guess is that this is why WV is depopulating and having a hard time luring in outsiders. 

[herbie]

 My rambling is a point I've made in dozens of posts on dozes of threads,

Finding who to blame is not fixing the problem at hand, either with Covid or drug use. Pretty damn simple to figure out

And mocking anyone proposing something that may address the actual problem as 'woke' (a word I point to as meaningless through constant overuse) is not a solution to anyone at all but a hindrance.

And because Vancouver is the shortest route from China to customers in Canada, that's a DUH to any Capt Obvious, like saying Miami is the coke capital as it's the closest entry route between suppliers and buyers.

The goal is
! - STOP people dying from contaminated drugs
2 - Help addicts  get off drugs
3 - Address the reasons so many get on drugs
That's exactly what is being done.

And what we did for 100 years didn't f*cking work, did it?
The 10,000+ that died since the crisis was declared in 2016 didn't die from something that didn't happen until 2023.

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

The goal is
! - STOP people dying from contaminated drugs

But it didn't. In fact it's worse. 

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2 - Help addicts  get off drugs

But didnt'.  In fact they're selling the free drugs to highschoolers and we're paying to raise a new gen of addicts.

 

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3 - Address the reasons so many get on drugs

But it didn't  In fact as i just mentioned its created new reasons to get on drugs - cheap supply. 

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That's exactly what is being done.

It is the opposite of what's being done and medical and police experts who are directly involved agree.

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And what we did for 100 years didn't f*cking work, did it?

Worked a hell of a lot better than this. 

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The 10,000+ that died since the crisis was declared in 2016 didn't die from something that didn't happen until 2023.

They're dying at an even higher rate now. And that DOES directly have to do with something that happened in 2023.

 

Herbie - do you even care about the deaths? Or the fact its' getting far worse and the "Safe supply' is winding up in the hands of children? Or is this all just virtue signalling for you? You're fine as long as we're paying the people to die for some reason?

[herbie]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

In fact they're selling the free drugs to highschoolers and we're paying to raise a new gen of addicts.

Bullshit to that - some of them are selling methadone to teens and some always did. You don't get umpteen doses from the clinic, you're lucky to get more than one. You 'steal' the legal drugs if you want enough to sell.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

But it didn't. In fact it's worse. 

Bullshit, it's down some in 2024. And only because few of the users are getting safe supply, the rest of them aren't.
As you've been told many, many times. But you don't want to hear it, let alone believe it. You seem to want to push the delusion you just walk into a clinic and say "I'm a junkie - gimme drugs" and they hand you 3-6 months worth.

As for reducing causes, well that's gonna take a long bloody time. Too many root causes and the answer sure as hell doesn't come by reducing govt spending.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

Bullshit to that - some of them are selling methadone to teens and some always did. You don't get umpteen doses from the clinic, you're lucky to get more than one. You 'steal' the legal drugs if you want enough to sell.

All of that is a lie herbie. And that's from the police, reporters who've  investigated, medical professonals.  And that's been posted here. 

You're just plain old lying.  

You would rather be dishonest and let people die than tell the truth and have to admit your woke echo chamber was wrong. 

3 hours ago, herbie said:

Bullshit, it's down some in 2024

Nope.  On track to about equal 2023 - which was our worst year ever. 

This program started in 2020.  lets look at the results

It has never ever been as bad before the program as after. Since the program started deaths shot up RADICALLY. 

The 2024 data is till march btw. It'll equal 2023 or worse by year's end. 

 

They're scrapping it because it's killing people.  A lot of people. ANd it's pouring money into the hands of organized crime.  A lot of money. For pills the taxpayers paid for. 

 

The program is a disaster. We were 100 percent better off before legalizing drugs. 

You don't care about dead people. You care about virtue signaling. 

[herbie]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You're just plain old lying.

Your usual response to anyone stating facts you don't want to hear. People with zero knowledge of drug issues are usually like that.

Go quote some more drug 'facts' from 1960s Police Chiefs.

 

[CdnFox]

41 minutes ago, herbie said:

Your usual response to anyone stating facts you don't want to hear.

 

Kid, i was the one who stated the facts.  Facts backed up by police and medical professionals and i know you've participated in the threads discussing this. The cops RIGHT NOW are screaming about it being a major problem, health officials are screaming it's a major problem, and the province is shutting the program down because it's a major problem. 

You've provided nothing but lies, and somehow it's my fault. 

Guess that's your way of saying any number of deaths are fine with you as long as we don't mess with your woke ideology

 

[I am Groot]

A report to the BC government recommended it expand the supply of 'safe' drugs.

Just how woke is the BC government? How woke are the people it appoints? Get a look at their bios. Note there's nothing about their skills or education, but only their identity group membership and confessions to being 'settlers' and 'occupiers'. Can anyone tell me what the difference between these two is in terms of the number of virtue points these humble confessionals bring?

 

Edited July 13, 2024 by I am Groot